Complaint to SPCA

I am outraged - honestly. Someone took the time to call the SPCA and file a complaint that my dogs are locked outside on a continuous basis without shelter from the weather.

The officer showed up to my house, both dogs were inside - he saw no issues or signs of distress.

My dogs go outside on their lead for 10 minutes at a time, just to do their business - then they're back in the house.

Honestly, some folks just need to mind their own business. What it most likely was; was someone walking by the house (we have get quite a bit of pedestrian traffic) and saw the dogs on their lead, then one their way back from the store (or whatever), the dogs were outside again an hour or so later.

What concerns me however is; when he came to the door the puppy was currently in his crate and started barking and yipping, which he does when someone is at the door. He reminded us that the puppy isn't to be crated for longer than 10 minutes at a time. Really? 10 minutes? I find that interesting because all crate training information I've ever read state to get them comfortable with their crate, and that the crate can be used as a "safe" place to put the puppy when you're busy around the house, or away from home. I should also mention, that Dave is currently 20 pounds and placed in a crate large enough for a great dane (we got the crate from my mother who used to own a great dane).

Anyways, this may be just a rant - but, I'm outraged.

Freaking nanny state, stupid peta loving no brained socialists. Keep your frigging mind out my life. He would have had more choice words from me, like go to social housing and see who abuses the dogs. Really, this chit makes me so angry...

Sorry for my rant on your rant..true Canadian

citiots...

I had the SPCA leave me a note to call them when I had goose carcasses in my garbage. I called and she said she just had to follow up since someone complained. She understood there was a hunting season but said that they get complaints all the time from folks thinking theyre protected.

In your case they are also just "following up" as that is there job and government mandate. But only 10 minutes in a crate is insane and unreasonable. I would have asked him for a reference to the law.

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Originally Posted by bowj

In your case they are also just "following up" as that is there job and government mandate. But only 10 minutes in a crate is insane and unreasonable. I would have asked him for a reference to the law.

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I have a call in to him and waiting for his return call, I want more information about the law around crating. All the material I've read, and the information I got form the vet stated:

- Use the crate for time when you can't be with your puppy, whether you're home, or away from home.
- Don't let the puppy out when he's whining or barking - which Dave will do for up to 30 minutes at a time.

With our previous dog Jasmine, she had to be crated for up to 4 hours at a time, even at her old age of 16 (before she passed away). She would get into everything an destroy the garbage cans all over the house, and even once tore a hole through a bedroom door.

Misty is never crated now, even when we go out she has the run of the house. My GoPro shows (on several occasions), she'll just go lie on my bed and sleep the whole time.

Dave is still learning (although, he's 12 weeks old), and is crated a couple times a day for "quiet time" when we're home, and for about an hour at a time. He's also crated if we have to go out during the day or at night.

We also leash indoors as well - something I've always done with all my dogs - until they're about 6 months old, or until I feel comfortable letting them out of my sight. Misty lost the indoor leash at 3 months old, Dave at 12 weeks old is still leashed. What that means is - he drags a leash around with him while inside. It allows me to make sure he's not running off to a part of the house I don't want him in, and it allows me a quick grab if I need to get him outside for an emergency pee without fumbling trying to find a leash.

unfortunately sometimes you got to deal with people who think they know everything. Late one winters night got a knock on the front door by one of York regions finest. Seems there was a complaint of a barking dog and when he shown his flashlight in our back yard our dog started to bark. Told him don't shine your light back there than. Went on to say that it was to cold for the dog to be outside. Told him the dog never complained. Sat at the end of the driveway for another hour guess to see if she was the outlaw barker but to no avail. Next day guess what the local SPCA shows up saying that we left our dog out all night. Brought her in the back yard showed her the dog run, ample water, and a dog that was sleeping on the roof of her insulated doghouse. Needless to say nothing came of it.

Well, I know I've got no concerns - just nosy neighbours, but it would still be nice to hear what he has to say about crating my pup when I decide to go out for a while.

Sure, we all love our pets - and we make a commitment to them for 10-15-20 years, but we all need to get out and get on with our lives once in a while without them. If it's against the law to crate my pup for longer than 10 minutes then there's going to be an issue, I can't stay with him 24/7, and I have a life to lead as well.

I'll certainly keep everyone abreast of what I hear from him, if he ever calls back.

10 minutes they are on crack Just go to SPCA and see how long they crate dogs for . Idiots .

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

10 minutes they are on crack Just go to SPCA and see how long they crate dogs for . Idiots .

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excellent point BB....:)

To what I have been led to believe is that most of the SPCA's money or should I say comes from PETA. I for one will not support that institution in the least!!!

Or for that matter any pet store that sells puppies...

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

10 minutes they are on crack Just go to SPCA and see how long they crate dogs for . Idiots .

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Bingo. Next time he shows up at your door start yelling HELP HELP call police and when they show up say he was threatening to kill your dogs. It what these lunatics do best.

It's annoying when that happens for no reason. Sometimes though they need to be called and I'm glad they are there.
2 incidents which prompted me to call.

1/ A new house was being built. Owners saw it as a good chance to get of their dog for a while. Dog was tied in the muddy field - no shelter , no water. fed?? I checked several times over the course of a week then called.( Couldn't see any people to talk to except construction workers on the property.)

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My neighbor would go away for up to a week at a time and leave his Doberman in a room in the house with water and food.( Imagine the room when he came back.) I talked to him and of course he said F.O. This is the neighbor who went to prison for running over a policeman and who had a murder in his home , so I don't like to push it too far with him. I could hear the dog crying daily . If he ate all his food on day 1 or spilled his water, he was out of luck for a week. Humane Society said there was nothing they could do. I offered to care for the dog when owner was away but that only lasted one time as the dog was vicious.

Now you can criticize what I did( reporting) , but I have no regrets.

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Originally Posted by Bo D

To what I have been led to believe is that most of the SPCA's money or should I say comes from PETA. I for one will not support that institution in the least!!!

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I'm pretty sure that it's the other way around,but,you're still correct. ALL SPCA and Humane Societies support PETA and IFAW with budgeted donations from fees they collect and donations from unsuspecting people that think that they're "doing somethimg good for the puppies and kitties." That's one of themain reassons they were stripped of Charitable Donation status by CRA and the federal government. Scammers...every one of them.

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Originally Posted by jweese

I am outraged - honestly. Someone took the time to call the SPCA and file a complaint that my dogs are locked outside on a continuous basis without shelter from the weather.

The officer showed up to my house, both dogs were inside - he saw no issues or signs of distress.

My dogs go outside on their lead for 10 minutes at a time, just to do their business - then they're back in the house.

Honestly, some folks just need to mind their own business. What it most likely was; was someone walking by the house (we have get quite a bit of pedestrian traffic) and saw the dogs on their lead, then one their way back from the store (or whatever), the dogs were outside again an hour or so later.

What concerns me however is; when he came to the door the puppy was currently in his crate and started barking and yipping, which he does when someone is at the door. He reminded us that the puppy isn't to be crated for longer than 10 minutes at a time. Really? 10 minutes? I find that interesting because all crate training information I've ever read state to get them comfortable with their crate, and that the crate can be used as a "safe" place to put the puppy when you're busy around the house, or away from home. I should also mention, that Dave is currently 20 pounds and placed in a crate large enough for a great dane (we got the crate from my mother who used to own a great dane).

Anyways, this may be just a rant - but, I'm outraged.

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Are you dogs bark a lot while outside? If so, maybe one of your neighbor got tired of it and called them?!
Just need to find which one now.....

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I'm pretty sure that it's the other way around,but,you're still correct. ALL SPCA and Humane Societies support PETA and IFAW with budgeted donations from fees they collect and donations from unsuspecting people that think that they're "doing somethimg good for the puppies and kitties." That's one of themain reassons they were stripped of Charitable Donation status by CRA and the federal government. Scammers...every one of them.

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I can't say it well as you , but almost every group? has the down side.... SPCA, Children's Aid, etc.. but the bottom line is that a dog got saved or an abused child got help.

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Originally Posted by seabast

Are you dogs bark a lot while outside? If so, maybe one of your neighbor got tired of it and called them?!
Just need to find which one now.....

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Neither bark unless it's time to come in the house. Misty will go as far as to open the door and let herself in the house, the puppy hasn't got enough weight behind him to do that yet.

We are always conscious of them being outdoors in the winter and the summer, and rarely ever is the puppy ever left outside without someone standing at the window or doorway watching him. My wife is home with a 2 year old and two dogs on a daily basis - she can't walk them, and she can't walk Misty to begin with (she's a strong puller and I've never discouraged her from it). I walk them each morning and after dinner.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

I can't say it well as you , but almost every group? has the down side.... SPCA, Children's Aid, etc.. but the bottom line is that a dog got saved or an abused child got help.

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Yeah,I know,Sharon,but,that's the very least they could do with the money they collect. Every municipal dog pound has to cough up dough for the Ontaio Humane Society,too,which is very active in the animal rights/anti-hunting community,also,supporting the usual suspect lunatic fringe. Did you know that outfits like Animal Alliance Canada,IFAW and some other fringe radicals are listed on the CSIS website as urban terrorist groups?

ya some people... years ago the inlaws neighbour had a horse statue in their yard... one day the humane society showed up because someone reported them for never haveing any hay out in the winter time for the horse LOL

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Originally Posted by jweese

I have a call in to him and waiting for his return call, I want more information about the law around crating.

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I don't think you'll find any law around crating. It would come down to what recognized authorities defined as inhumane -- and ten minutes ain't it.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That's one of themain reassons they were stripped of Charitable Donation status by CRA and the federal government.

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Not sure where you're getting that info. The OSPCA remains a registered charity.

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Originally Posted by line052

Freaking nanny state, stupid peta loving no brained socialists. Keep your frigging mind out my life. He would have had more choice words from me, like go to social housing and see who abuses the dogs. Really, this chit makes me so angry...

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X2...Well said


Cheers

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Originally Posted by seabast

Are you dogs bark a lot while outside? If so, maybe one of your neighbor got tired of it and called them?!
Just need to find which one now.....

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so I guess they have mind their own business but some people have nothing else to do then bother others. I'm glad everything went well for you.

Jeff,
Bet you had a visit from Tex Ridder, our local infamous Humane Society enforcer.....

I'm sure you know they do not have powers of inspection meaning they can only respond once a complaint is made. As we all know the infamous complainers hide behind a veil of anonymity and can have at it at our expense.

My Detective Sargent fellow dog trainer tells me the only way to respond is not to take it out on the SPCA but to call the police and file charges of public mischief and harassment. They will question your SPCA who must divulge his source.....then deal with the source.

Good luck, keep us posted.....forget the 10 minute thing as their shelter on Avanlough Road would be in contravention of that many times over.

Good Luck.

I just got off the phone with the local SPCA (Tex Ridder as Kraka hit on immediately). He was actually quite nice to talk to, and said he had absolutely no concerns for Misty or Dave's well being.

The comment he made to my wife around crate training, and only crating the puppy for 10 minutes at a time was made as a suggestion only, and not the law. He then went on to say, even himself - that he would crate his puppies for up to 8 hours at a time while he was working - in a crate large enough that he could divide it in half and use the other half as an area for defecation.

I'm always leery of law enforcement after having my guns confiscated a few years ago for being unlocked, in the back seat, and unloaded, a few years ago by an OPP officer who didn't know the law. I trust what he said however, and he seemed friendly at the time.

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Originally Posted by welsh

I don't think you'll find any law around crating. It would come down to what recognized authorities defined as inhumane -- and ten minutes ain't it.



Not sure where you're getting that info. The OSPCA remains a registered charity.

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Sorry,I should have been more precise. The OSPCA is the only outfit that still has charitable status. The rest of them should all be in prison.

Be careful Sharon, some of these OSPCA inspectors are not too bright. My sister once made a complaint about a dog that was left out without water and shelter and they ended up at her door accusing her of neglect and not providing shelter for her dogs. They were a little confused when the dogs that had been in the fenced back yard appeared at the front door. She showed them the dog house with a dog door into the house which the gave her dogs free run of house at all times. Not sure if they ever did follow up on her complaint. I have heard nothing from them since my incident with my old girl. Complaint was I was neglecting her as she has an inoperable tumour. She was 13 and the vet said that she would not survive the surgery. OSPCA said they were going to confiscate her. I sent them the $1300.00 vet bill and asked them to guarantee in writing that she would survive the surgery and if she didn't they would compensate for me for her loss. She had 7 titles and I figured each title was worth $2000.00. I also stated they could talk to me through my lawyer and the next time one of them set foot on my property they better have the OPP with them. Have not heard a word since.
This is the same group that takes money from people surrendering their dogs and then dumps same dogs on a no kill shelter giving him nothing in support. They get nothing from me in donations but just gave the no kill a sizable on from our kennel club.

If you read my post carefully I took every other avenue including talking to the dog owner.

The Doberman was willingly given up to the Doberman Rescue Organization and is in a great home .

The construction site dog was willingly given up - owner said he didn't want the dog anyway.

I have no regrets.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

I have no regrets.

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And you shouldn't. That's what they're really there for. It's just too bad there's so much red tape preventing them from actually doing their job in many cases.

Remember last year in Hamilton? There was a junk yard dog that was left out (really cold winter) and when the SPCA wouldn't act the people in the area took (stole) the dog themselves.

I thought this was great! 4 days ago

http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2015/...abandoned-dogs

I remember a few fellas I knew up NOrth at one time that were dogsledders. Their dogs, slept outside ALWAYS. Each Dog had a doghouse but most of them decided the roof of the doghouse was more comfortable. And the racket the team would make when someone went by. OMG

My Grandmother has a large Shiloh Shepherd that lives outside, with his requirements for shelter, a sleeping pad, food & water in the garage. He is well adjusted...and spends his day out in the snow, the wind the -30c cold. Buuutt His coat is a couple inches thick and lofty.

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Originally Posted by Fishy Wishy

I remember a few fellas I knew up NOrth at one time that were dogsledders. Their dogs, slept outside ALWAYS. Each Dog had a doghouse but most of them decided the roof of the doghouse was more comfortable. And the racket the team would make when someone went by. OMG

My Grandmother has a large Shiloh Shepherd that lives outside, with his requirements for shelter, a sleeping pad, food & water in the garage. He is well adjusted...and spends his day out in the snow, the wind the -30c cold. Buuutt His coat is a couple inches thick and lofty.

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Yep, some breeds are bred to live/thrive in those conditions.


http://images.akc.org/breeds/action_...se_crested.jpg

Others aren't.

Waiting for these temps to get above -10. My dogs are going stir crazy. :)

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Yep, some breeds are bred to live/thrive in those conditions.


http://images.akc.org/breeds/action_...se_crested.jpg

Others aren't.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

My little buddy you probably last a couple of hours outside in these temps and he would be a dead dogo.

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No doubt. That is why some common sense is required by the dog's owner and any SPCA worker. Different dogs/breeds have different needs/wants. Grandma's Shiloh doesn't last but a few hours in the house, and is less active in summer heat, -30 doesn't even phase him.