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Wow, the rumour mill was in full swing all day as the old hens tied up every phone line in the county.
Apparently a multiple murder, hostage taking and cross county chase. A pretty bad dude with a long history of domestic violence dropped-charges.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/opp-pro...sted-1.2575255
http://www.am980.ca/2015/09/22/suspe...lley-shooting/
Crazy news. Years ago our band used to play the wilno tavern often and it was always fun and the people always great.
That's horrific! I knew one of the victims - Anastasia Kuzyk. She was a local real estate agent who showed us a house a few years ago. Such a terrible thing to happen! Unfortunately it does happen every so often.
This brings up bad vibes for me. My friend's husband choked her , assaulted her , was charged and has been in jail since July. In there, he has threatened to "deal with" her, her sister and friends.
These people eventually get out of jail-very similar situation to the Ottawa story.
I'm not saying they can be kept in forever- but makes for a lot of anxiety/fear in the lives of many women.
A chunk of my family is up that way (Whitney to Barrys Bay), Facebook was going crazy over this, they had the cars going by and they were all trying to figure out what was going on. He apparently was just released from jail.
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Originally Posted by Sharon
This when every one of your friend's family members and friends need to step up and be sure she knows she has their support and protection. She needs to know she has a safe haven any time of day or night, a quick response team who arrive faster than police (unfortunately not difficult in most of ON), a support team through any legal battles be they civic or criminal. And a few guys who make the abuser quite aware he'll be torn limb from limb the first time he tries ANYTHING, doesnt exactly hurt either.
This is something I'm very passionate about - and not just for female victims either. Very glad you friend took the difficult road of having her abuser imprisoned. Far too many victims fail to do so.
Dead on, been there for a friend like this before, will be there any time in any capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
The worst thing for someone in a situation like this is feeling alone against the violence.
Down here the lady would get a handgun to have ready - just in case he shows up -
Sad to hear one of the victims was Anastasia, one of the girls who used to work in the tavern. She was always smiling and kind.
She could have a shotgun here, bigger hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Living in fear is not a way to live, the fact that you actually have to consider getting a firearm for protection is the problem.
So,if this clown has a criminal record and just got of jail,how did he get his hands on a gun? Somebody had to know what was going on with him. Why didn't anyone give the Police a heads up before it got to this point?
Yeah! Everybody knows that thanks to the concealed carry laws in the U.S., nobody ever gets murdered by angry (and crazy) people down there.:whacked:
Anyways, this is a tragic example of how multiple systems (justice, law enforcement, etc) have failed to protect the public. Unfortunately, these three ladies have paid the price for these failures.
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Originally Posted by JoePa
Let's no talk about the mess you folks live with down there with all you guns!! Sure hasn't solved many problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
to acquire guns off the street is easy once you've made connection from inside (prison) to outside (criminal network), a lot of cops/detectives know this. the whole incident is driven by a motive, its not random. the targets were handpicked; that's how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
One of the victims had a restraining order against him and had repeatedly told police, family & friends that she was absolutely certain he was coming for her once released. She was right.
The guy is a first rate psychotic. He'd planned this for a while and had threatened dozens of people.
Getting his hands on a gun wouldn't be hard with his pre OR post prison connections. Hell, he may have had it stashed and unseized prior to his old weapons related offences. Half the guys on these boards have guns stashed away in case the registry ever returns.
The Ottawa shooter had a rifle buried in his mother's garden. A nut is going to act like a nut,no matter what methods we put in place to prevent it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
Exactly the same position my friend is in. The criminal in her case uses knives. Good suggestions in previous posts, but if someone wants to kill you .............Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
This is taking the original post off track , But you still haven't answered the question , do you own fire arms ? , many of us are waiting for you to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldH
So some guy says that he is going to kill you someday - so what do you do - sit around and wait for it to happen - or pray that he has a change of heart - or maybe move across the country and hope he doesn't find out where you now live - no - you do something that will allow you to defend yourself when the time comes - and the best way is to arm yourself - Fox - it's kinda hard to be carrying a shotgun around with you but you can easily carry a handgun - so as I said - down here she would get a handgun to carry wherever she goes - and when the big day arrives and the guy comes to kill her - surprise, surprise -
Joe is the guy taking it off the track. I am appealing to him not to do that!! Every thread does NOT have to be about American guns!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
She could have got a handgun, easy, buy they were all attacked in their home, where a shotgun could have been and I bet probably was in this area of the country where the majority of people, men and women, both shoot and shoot well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The problem is that this guy wanted to kill these people and would have done it, if he did not do it up close he could have from a distance with a hunting rifle and take your handgun carry belief and toss it out the window.
Stop saying that everything can be solved with a gun, this is not the case, this man was messed up in the brain, he should never have been released from jail due to the threats he was throwing out there after his release.
This is a horrible thing that destroyed a number of wonderful communities with very tight knit groups of people, even in a community where the people are there for one another and supporting their friends and family in the best possible way cannot stop something like this and nor can a handgun.
The Madawaska Valley will never be the same, the people there will never forget.
Joe...if a person is bent on killing you, no amount of firepower will help. He would likely know you could be armed, and would just whack you before you knew it was coming. It is next to impossible to prevent this type of occurrence, with the exception of locking someone away! We all know that won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Boy have YOU got that all wrong ! and you still haven't answered the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldH
It's been a while Jaycee. Maybe forgot the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I understood that THIS thread was about three law abiding women who BY LAW had no means to defend themselves when they needed it. Just made it easier for their attacker...
Sorry, no, this thread was about 3 women who were murdered for being connected to this psycho and being killed for doing nothing other than being women and connected to this man. There is no way anyone could have defended themselves from someone like this unless they locked themselves in a bunker.Quote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
Joe was the one who derailed it and turned it into a thread about handguns and defense, there was no way for them to defend themselves, no handgun, shotgun or anything else would have stopped this guy.
RIP
A justice system with some teeth would have stopped this guy. Unfortunately we have a legal system here that tends to favour the criminal not the victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Sorry, ya, nothing but keeping him locked up would have stopped this.Quote:
Originally Posted by M_P
Look at the history, look at how many times the charges were stayed, terrible.
Well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
X3 !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Back to the victims - dead as well as still living - will be trying to make the vigil in Wilno tonight at 7:30, coming all the way from Ottawa.
Hope many others do as well.
Sorry that I have to say this - but your all wrong - if one of these women saw this guy coming to their house or breaking in or whatever - she could have gotten a gun and defended herself - if she knew that this guy was dangerous she could have had a gun in the house that was easy to get at real quick - you can't keep a criminal in jail forever - you know that - at least you should -
I think the problem is - most of you guys have been born into a system where guns are looked at as something bad and people shouldn't have them - even if it means using one to save your life -
For Pete's sake - at least give me a chance to defend myself when I'm in danger - maybe the circumstances for such that a gun isn't enough to save me but at least give me a chance - thousands of lives are saved each year here in the states because they had a gun to either use or show when a person's life is threatened - Oh - I don't see how I derailed this thread - the issue of defending yourself shouts out for attention
Meanwhile - back at the ranch - everything is real quiet
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Originally Posted by Fox
Exactly. Well said. My friend's psycho knows where she works. He can meet her anytime on the way to or from work.
Good for you for going to the memorial Oddmont.
Joe : Please give the American gun lobby talk a rest. There is another side to your position.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-safer/284022/
Good read Sharon.
It was a nice ceremony. But kind of... incomplete. Quite clear that nobody knows how to accept and deal with the tragedy.
I'll be honest... It was very odd and surreal to be in that crowd, gathered for that reason/cause... Alongside some very well-known women abusers. I can't fathom why they'd show up. But I guess it is just another bit of proof as to how sociopathic they truly are.
That's quite a statement to make,Oddmot. Known women abusers in the crowd? I can't imagine why they'd want to be seen at something like that,either. Usually,you can only find them if you kick over an old stump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
Kudos for going to support them. It's something we all should be doing.....enough is enough ! The justice system has to be changed. This type of tragedy is unfortunately not uncommon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott