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Wow. Charges have actually been laid on Liberals for the clandestine email destruction by the Liberals!!!!! The evidence must have been overwhelming. That or negotiations with the police aren't going well.....:ninja:
this should be fun to watch but makes you wonder about the timing? Voters will forget in 3 years right?
Hopefully Miller and Livingston roll over on who gave them the orders or perhaps they will mysteriously disappear before trial.
That's great it's about time
Voters likely will forget, but then again they voted in a Liberal with an ongoing fresh investigation. I would hope the Conservatives will refresh their memories come election time !Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
I wonder how their view is from "under the bus"....!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
Laying charges is one thing. Finding a Judge that wasn't appointed by the Liberals to try the case will be the next big challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
They will roll over rather than face a criminal record. Someone told them to do it and that will be their excuse. Keep in mind they these are federal charges not provincial.
The charges have been laid in consultation with federal prosecutors who were brought in to avoid any conflict of interest with the provincial attorney general's office. These are federal charges which, if memory serves me, will be tried in a federal court.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Dyth
If they are guilty, they should be penalized appropriately - regardless of their political affiliation.
The bigger question is this - how was Tim Hudak not able to beat either McGuinty or Wynne in an election? Mind boggling. Conservative loyalists must wish a more marketable candidate had been put forth as the election was there for the taking both times before "Tea Party Tim" bungled it.
Amazing isn't it how McSquinty and Wynnbag can slip and slide their way out of having any involvement whatsoever in the decisions to cancel the plants.
Disgusting actually !
There's a strong possibilty that McGuinty had no knowledge the same way Harper had no knowledge of Wallin and Duffy. It may very well have been one those "don't tell the boss about this" deals. Having said that,even if they're convicted (by some minor miracle) my bet is they get a summary conviction and $200 fine each. End of story.
Who is responsible for paying the legal bills for these jokers, the liberals, taxpayers.????
I'm betting the liberals pay their legal fees behind the scenes so indirectly we pay the costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
Yes time to get a new popcorn maker and sit back and watch the soap opera unfold. McGuinty , no where in the radar had nothing to do with this, RIGHT! Wynn has change procedures , so lets hear them Kate!
The bigger question is this - how was Tim Hudak not able to beat either McGuinty or Wynne in an election? Mind boggling. Conservative loyalists must wish a more marketable candidate had been put forth as the election was there for the taking both times before "Tea Party Tim" bungled it.
Easy, you do not make a platform speech announcing you will reduce the number of redundant public servants by 150000 prior to be elected, you do it after the election like the Liberals. You get into bed with the teachers and police unions by telling them their contracts will be renewed and renege on the promise. You own the press which slants all things Liberal and the golden horseshoe population eat it up. In other words you a Liberal and you can do this.
Laying charges is one thing. Finding a Judge that wasn't appointed by the Liberals to try the case will be the next big challenge
Yelp, this will be interesting now with junior in Ottawa and know nothing Wynn in Toronto.
Next time in town I`m getting a new popcorn maker, unless Santa brings one.
Dick
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDH
That is the only interesting aspect to all of this. Here we are 5 years after the fact and they are finally charging someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by buckchaser
As is always the case its fall guys and scapegoats. Don't hold your breath waiting for McGuinty or Wynne to be charged. The political masters always skate.
The fact its taken this long speaks volumes after the OPP dragged their heels, gave them all kinds of latitude, notice of "raids", etc. See also sudbury and "no evidence of wrong doing"….to "oh, yes there is".Once the public heard the same tapes they listened to but swept under the rug.
Remind me please why start at $100,000…and detectives earn….
As for the public.
Well first we have the centre of Universe GTA easily bought and don't seem much to care (though the left leaning hated Ford).
Then we have Unions and Public servants who despite so much evidence, despite so many problems, despite so many scandals (Ehealth/Orng etc) and warnings about spending, debt, cost, Don Drummond, Credit agencies.
Put self importance, self entitlement ahead of everything and everyone else.
Fast forward to today and a god awful mess that extends way beyond just corruption. From massive screw ups in Hydro, huge problems in Healthcare, exploding taxation and more…And where just regular everyday folk (especially those outside Toronto where jobs aren't as plentiful or well paying)…And well, there ya go
Well with all the records destroyed its a "he said, she said" kind of deal.....
I bet it goes something like this......
My understanding was I thought they wanted me to do that (wipe the computers clean) no they just wanted you to wipe out viruses.....oh I'm sorry....my bad I misunderstood their directions, sorry.....
with no records the big fish won't fry.... even the little guys won't get burned, just sun tanned on our dime....
The OPP sat on it until she was re-elected. Now there is enough time left in her mandate that the voters will forget and the GTA approve of this anyway. Most Crown prosecuters and likely half the judges wouldn't want to take her on anyway. I still suspect contract negotiations with the OPP must not be going well for this to move forward.
Homophobe.. LOL.
bigoted homophobe right?:ashamed:
The day that Miller was charged, she quickly had her lawyer, Clayton Ruby, release a statement declaring her innocence. I don't think she will be doing any 'rolling over'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
She'll fall on her sword,as will the other goof. Either that,or she'll "never work in this town,again." LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Wahoo
Both of these "Patsys" will be well taken care of by the Liberal machine. All legal fees will likely be covered by the government and they will be rewarded with plum well paying jobs. Wynne and McGinty will not get sheet on them and I bet imbeciles in Ontario reelect her.
I wonder if they will be shackled in leg irons like the Conservative guy convicted of over spending in his campaign?
I'm not a law boner... so i don't know what those charges mean, but they don't sound very terrible. So even if convicted are they getting anything beyond a slap on a wrist and forced out of their positions?
Soon as you see 'mischief' in a charge you can expect a slap on the wrist and not much more.
Any criminal charge and conviction can have devastating effects on a persons career.
I honestly think more charges are coming.
We're talking Liberals here. Likely get appointed to a plum lifetime sunshine list job with pension. Pretty well every government in the country be it Fed or Prov is Liberal now, these two accused will not be without a paycheque very long. She was able to not have this hit the media/voters before the campaign and now it's getting dealt with before the next election with enough time for the citiots to forget it ever happened. The timing of all stages of this is more than suspect. She owns the PS unionized vote which combined with spouses and family members pretty well guarantees she is in power until she decides to retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jack
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Originally Posted by Big Jack
Only if they're Conservatives. Liberals get a pass for everything,even pedophelia.
After four years of investigation and this is all they come up with,I'm surprised they even laid these charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jack
Well,miracle of miracles. The Wynne government just enacted a new fine structure for violations of The Freedom of Information Act where a maximum fine of $5000 may be levied for anyone erasing government records to avoid scrutiny. So,guess what these two mutts will get.....if they ever get to court?
Are these violations and fines retro active ? as normally you cannot be charged and fined under new laws that are enacted after the fact .Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
You must mean a job like the one Christine Elliott was just appointed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Cristine Elliott had a stellar reputation as a Parliamentarian and was respected by all parties. The people we are now discussing are up on charges for illegal destruction of evidence in a coverup trial. Only you wouldn't see the difference here. But you are consistent. Merry Xmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Read my post again , you seem to have read to much into it. Did she not get a post like you were talking about? Most people in politics get a plum position when they leave politics, the good and bad, that is just the way it is, no change there.
They're already charged under the Act. That's a done deal. These penalties can be used retroactively with ease,especially in this instance. It wouldn't surprise me,in the least,if this wasn't done quickly and quietly specifically for this purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/deletion-o...says-1.3601176
Deletion of gas-plant emails deliberate was attempt to keep info secret, Crown says
The deletion of thousands of documents related to the politically explosive decision to cancel two gas plants near Toronto was a deliberate act that breached the public trust, the trial of two former top aides in the Ontario premier's office heard Friday.
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prosecutor Sarah Egan said the accused were responsible for the "double deletion" of sensitive emails about the power plants as a way to keep them secret and thwart the public's right to accountability and transparency.
"Acting together, they destroyed records that they had a legal duty to preserve," Egan told Ontario court Judge Timothy Lipson. "They acted contrary to the public interest."
The Ontario Liberal government's decision to shut the power plants in Oakville and Mississauga just before the 2011 provincial election -- and the $1.1-billion cost incurred -- had become an issue of "intense public scrutiny" that prompted requests for relevant data under freedom of information laws, court heard.
But who ordered the deletion?, and how much are they being paid to keep quiet?
GUILTY.
http://www.iheartradio.ca/580-cfra/n...rial-1.3566689
A former top political aide in Ontario has been found guilty of illegally destroying documents related to a controversial government decision to cancel two gas plants before a provincial election.
David Livingston, who was chief of staff for ex-Liberal premier Dalton McGuinty, was charged with attempted mischief and illegal use of a computer. The destroyed documents were related to the Ontario Liberal government's costly decision to cancel two gas plants in 2011.
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It defies common sense and reality, Lipson said, to suggest that wholesale wiping of 20 hard drives in the outgoing premier's office was in accordance with policy....
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"It's a sad day when a premier's most senior official is found guilty of trying to orchestrate a cover-up of the $1.1 billion gas plant scandal," Conservative Leader Patrick Brown said in a statement. "The guilty verdict is an indictment of the 15 years of Liberal political corruption that has long been rooted in the premier's office."
GUILTY as charged! Now,let's see what sentence he gets. My bet---$50 fine and a "don't do it again".
Whatever the sentence is, it won't leave much of a mark. He took one for the team. He will be made whole by the liberal party.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I love how Brian Lilley points out that it was the Liberal's party he belonged to, he will get a $100 fine and a $150,000/yr job after the election probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
https://www.facebook.com/brianlilley...3485364051845/
Isn't it interesting how our resident liberal apologist is being so quiet about this "unfortunate" bump in the road for Wynnes reelection?
Which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Why would anyone participate in a forum, where because of a difference in political viewpoints ,some feel that kicking someone in the nuts is appropriate behaviour? The liberals will form a minority government after the next provincial election.:goodstuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
You may be right. God I hope not but I know how crooked they are and would never turn my back on a liberal. I don't recall threatening to kick anybody in the nuts?
Not you ,but a couple of others did. So much for a civil discussion. If everyone agrees and is stroking each others egos, it is known as a circle jerk, and you are welcome to it.
Oh my. Little bitter about losing the email destruction case ehh? Better try and build up a thicker skin. She's standing knee deep in her own poop.
Not at all , she did nothing wrong , no charges against her, and it will have little affect on the outcome of the election. Is that your usual reply, when someone verbally threatens you with physical harm because of your opinion, get thicker skin? I would think that the change should be made by those uttering the threats, not those receiving them. I wonder how that would play out in court. 'Yes your honour, I do realize that I threatened the other man , but I think he should grow thicker skin.' How would that defence result in more time or monetary punishment? Lol.
If you feel that the comment, made by whomever was directed at you and you are offended, then by all means report that post, after all you are very able to type and post , are you not ?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Offensive Posts are against the rules of this forum .
No, I wasn't referring to your testicles. I was referring to how you will have to develop a thick skin to absorb the coming comments about your party of choice. The one who is bankrupting our grandchildren and has more ongoing investigations and now convictions than any other. Her record will do her in and watching you defend it while bizzare will as I say require you to develop a thick skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
OK , T , sorry I took it the wrong way..... The others I realize might not have engaged in a 'civil discourse ', ( the language of dispassionate objectivity ), before, and may be threatening out of ignorance. To be a Liberal on this site you do need a thick skin, myself, I handle it by looking who the comments are coming from, and the realization that I am not alone in my opinions as the election results can attest. I have voted for cons. both federally and provincially , at various times in my life, but sometimes I just like to play the devils advocate, and see what opinions come out of it.
By the way , terrym, I was not referring to you when I posted this;Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
" If you feel that the comment, made by whomever was directed at you and you are offended, then by all means report that post, after all you are very able to type and post , are you not ?
Offensive Posts are against the rules of this forum . "
I was referring to the other guy that originally made the comment of " give him a kick in the nuts " which it looks like this comment has been removed.
This particular person seems to have a problem in responding civilly to many people .