Hi All,
Anyone has any advice about electric shock collar? Are Garmins any good?
Thanks
Seabast
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Hi All,
Anyone has any advice about electric shock collar? Are Garmins any good?
Thanks
Seabast
I use the garmin pro550 more bells and whistles then my old TT 500. Overall it's a good setup lots of adjustment for momentary and constant and the layout is the best for changing levels on the go.
It is not a "shock" collar ... it is an electronic training collar where you work with the lowest level of stimulation that is noticeable to you dog.
Garmin makes a PRO series (PRO550, PRO70, SportPRO) and a Delta series. Dogtra also manufacturers a range of collars depending upon the features and $$$ you are looking for and want to spend.
One size does not fit all with e-collars. What type dog do you have?
Was there not a move afoot to have them banned in Ontario? I'm fairly certain that they were in Quebec and the Maritime provinces. I'd sure check before laying out some big bucks for them.
Really? I'd heard that dual purpose shock/tracking collars are pretty common for retrieving and pointing as well as tracking dogs. I'd be very surprised to hear that they are in fact banned in Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Would that be laid out in the most recent hunting regs?
No, electronic training collars have not been banned in Canada. There was rumour that certain governments officials were going to look at what was happening in the U.K. with anti-collar legislation. The reason why not to call it a SHOCK collar on a public forum. The original collars on the market only had one setting and it was hot. Today, training methods have changed and collars have developed to the point where if you understand how to use the collar, properly low level stimulation is used
Yes....only the low end product lines advertising use the term 'shock' ...In the upper end product lines the use the term 'static stimulation'....LOL...
Reminds me of when I used to drag my sock feet across the carpet to 'static stimulate' my sisters nose ..LOL
https://www.amazon.ca/PATPET-Trainin...g+shock+collar
https://www.amazon.ca/SportDOG-Brand...3572379&sr=1-4
Hi Terry,Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
It's for an Australian Shepherd, only 14 wells old but it'll grow.
Do you know of a good e-collar?
Thanks
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I will have a look at the Pro series, thanks.
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Great response Dakota Creek..... that first line is exactly what I was thinking when I read the title of this thread. I've used Dogtra for a few years now and I'm happy with the e-collar. Knowledge of the e-collar and a cool head is of the utmost importance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
Assuming a heavier Shepherd coat, be sure that the contact points on the collar receiver can be changed out to a longer set should you need to. Some collars only have permanently mounted short contact points.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Don't discount the Delta series. Currently working with the Garmin Delta XC.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Main thing to consider would be your working distance and select the unit for that range.
What I like about the XC is the small compact sending unit that makes for convenient and easy carry.
I use a Dogtra but Garmin is a quality product too. My question about breed was to determine at what distance your dog works. The lower end models don't have as much range but not everybody needs it either. Stick to those 2 brands and they will serve you well. Make sure you get one with longer prongs as already said above. Your dog has a fair bit of a thick coat. Take the time to learn how to use them properly too. Great tools. When I fire mine up the jingle sound drives the dogs berserk and jump for joy so they sure don't mind wearing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
The contact points in the Delta series are permanently mounted into the collar, so you are not able to change to longer contact points that this dog will most likely need due to the thickness of it's neck ruff.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I didn't realize it was such a touchy subject up north. I see the s-word used all the time in hunting communities and dog training/sports (IPO, tracking, ring sports). I think the devices are officially called "training" collars, as you point out, but everyone knows what that means. I see a little bit of grief from the pure positive training community about such training tools, but almost everyone in the working dog community seems to understand that such tools have a place and time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
You bring up a good point too; start with the lowest level of stimulation possible and work your way up as needed. I've used a training collar to good effect in training my own dog for his recall and to break him off certain game. I view it not as a punishment, but rather as a correction or wake-up call when he ignores my commands....otherwise he gets tunnel vision (and hearing) on whatever he is chasing and no amount of verbal commands or hand signals will get his attention.
A private member's bill to criminalize the use of e-collars was introduced under the previous government, but I don't believe it made it to second reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
E-collars are probably the most overused and most misused piece of training equipment going and their incorrect use just lends support to the anti-collar side. Anyone planning to get his (or her) first collar ought to look carefully at how they're used in the retriever world (the state of the art) and in particular understand the concept of indirect pressure.
I'm not sure why there would be any need for an e-collar in training a family pet, personally....
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OP. Please change the title of the thread, or re-submit it. This is a public and open forum. The term itself is enough to create issues.
I think Canadian's have been exposed to 'Political Correctness' so long it has crept down into the normal lexicon..'static stimulation' is more palatable to their sensibilities than the word 'shock'...like you said, everyone knows it's the same thing. )Quote:
Originally Posted by HiLow45
Nope the XC comes with both short and long prongs and easily convertible. Currently have the long prongs on for the setter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
Possibly the Delta XC versus the Delta Sport? You may have a newer / older generation of the Delta but I just tried to change out contact points on a customer's Delta collar and the points were not interchangeable. To the OP ... if you do look at the Delta series by Garmin (or any other collar brand for that matter) be sure to ask about the ability to change the standard length contacts, to longer ones if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I don't want to but I'm working on it (contacted a mod). I will never get use to the North American Correctness, a real head shaker. Don't you feel like It's taking a man manhood?! It really does to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Thanks for letting me know about the points length! would have never guessed that one.
It's proven to be extremely useful with my family pet, who also is being trained for wounded game recovery. I know more than a few owners of high drive dogs that also find the device useful. Like you said, it's all about how you use the device.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
I've got an older model Tri Tronics Sport 50 Collar that still works great, (purchased in 2003). Have used it on 3 dogs, works at a good distance and battery still very good, can't complain.
Lorenzo
Possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
I'm an advocate for e-collar use.
Just hate that anyone cruising by could see that, and get the entire wrong idea.
Maybe overly PC....
Garmins are illegal in ON but many use them anyway - not me. I've used a Dogtra 2500 B/T for 20 years ( Google), cheap, long- lasting , effective, and long points available.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...-tracking-dogs
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...acking-systems
Only the Garmin GPS collars are illegal, they make a full line of training collars (e-collars) as well that are legal which is all that has been discussed in this thread.................
You had better check it out Sharon, duckslayer has beat me to it .Only the Garmin GPS collars are illegal,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
they make a full line of training collars (e-collars) as well that are legal
Sharon ..... you must be in pointer / hound mode talking about tracking / gps collars! LOL! The rest of us are in general training collar mode! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Duh.... Sorry for the fake news. Need more coffee. Thanks for the facts. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
I can't believe a mod stepped in and edited a guys post so the wording wouldn't offend peoples sensibilities....I'm 'static stimulated' :scream:
Never thought a Hunting forum would be party to word police using linguistic subterfuge...that activity is usually more akin to the Liberal side of society so they can live with themselves while doing unsavory things.
I, the OP, asked the mod to changed it to please my fellow outdoor men.Got enough drama on tv.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
If this were a closed forum, wherein members only would see the posts, then no issues whatsoever.
I am acutely aware that there are all members of society who have the ability to review these pages, and the use of the term "shock collar" is not only wrong, but has a connotation, that many anti's would leverage.
Maybe my PC button got firmly engaged this week, not sure...
Whether or not you feel it's necessary to choose which words to use the fact of the matter is that hunters tend to get negative press a lot. The e-collar is something that gets a ton of negative attention so using words that make it sound like a torture device is not helpful for anyone wishing to use this incredibly efficient tool properly. Misunderstood things get banned all the time due to popular uninformed opinion.
I ordered the Garmin Delta XC. I didn't need anything too fancy so it fits the bill, $265.00 all in and delivered.
Thanks all!
Good luck seabast!Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Darnit ,I have a slightly used Dogtra e-collar I could of sold to you for $200. The only reason why I am getting rid of it is because my UK Lab was trained without one because of her temperament and applied method. I have no use for it now or in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
I am working with a neighbor, who made the mistake of buying her dog from a Mennonite family, the dog is stone cold deaf. We found an E collar that has vibration as one of the stimulus. A quick tap of the Vibration, the dog will look at her, hand signals then tell the dog what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
That's a fairly unusual case. But a good idea!
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I went with sport dog and have been pleased. Think I only payed 130 us.
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I just ordered my garmin delta xc off amazon this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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