The BIG LIE

For years the lowdown progressive liberals have been saying (and unfortunately many believed it) that diversity was a good thing - well I'll tell you something - it ain't and what they are saying is a lot of BS - when you have a lot of diversity in a country you have a lot of turmoil and strife - just look around - you have different religions and each trying to promote their agenda - someone puts up a cross, a star or some other symbol and others get all upset and complain resulting the symbol being removed - then people get mad at each other - then you have different races where each has it own culture which often conflicts with the culture of other races - then people are mad at each other - then you have people with different political view points and they are fighting with each other to gain control of the country - how someone can say that this is good beats me

When you have a country where the people all look alike, think alike and act alike you have a much stronger country - and when things get rough the place doesn't fracture and fall apart - you all know if something really bad should happen each faction within a society will separate itself from others because there isn't anything to hold them together - just look at what is happening around the world and the trouble being caused by letting all kinds of people into various countries where they don't fit - this diversity concept is something that the one world order crowd has spawned - so next time you hear some joker trying to push diversity tell him he is full of ,,,,,,

Maybe in "merica." However, much as I hate Toronto, it is one of the most diverse places on earth and compared to most other cities its size that are less diverse Toronto has far less violence and crime.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

For years the lowdown progressive liberals have been saying (and unfortunately many believed it) that diversity was a good thing - well I'll tell you something - it ain't and what they are saying is a lot of BS - when you have a lot of diversity in a country you have a lot of turmoil and strife - just look around - you have different religions and each trying to promote their agenda - someone puts up a cross, a star or some other symbol and others get all upset and complain resulting the symbol being removed - then people get mad at each other - then you have different races where each has it own culture which often conflicts with the culture of other races - then people are mad at each other - then you have people with different political view points and they are fighting with each other to gain control of the country - how someone can say that this is good beats me

When you have a country where the people all look alike, think alike and act alike you have a much stronger country - and when things get rough the place doesn't fracture and fall apart - you all know if something really bad should happen each faction within a society will separate itself from others because there isn't anything to hold them together - just look at what is happening around the world and the trouble being caused by letting all kinds of people into various countries where they don't fit - this diversity concept is something that the one world order crowd has spawned - so next time you hear some joker trying to push diversity tell him he is full of ,,,,,,

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I think you need to study history a bit more.

You're starting to sound like a white supremacist, and worst than Donald T... Time for you to pull up stakes and find a country that has everything you're looking for. And here I thought I was bad....

I have yet to see how this bs diversity line from the left has been proven to strengthen any country in the world. In fact recent history shows the exact opposite. How anyone can think that bringing in millions of immigrants that have little to no intent on assimilating into society except to suck it dry drawing welfare is beyond common sense.

Cheers

I can understand why an American might feel that way based all the problems they've had. Trump hasn't helped. but rather increased racist talk/activities.

22% of Canadians are immigrants - not born here. They keep the job market going. In my day most families had 6-7 kids +- not any more. Thank goodness for the immigrants.

Do some reading Joe. :)

https://www.google.ca/search?q=value...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Well, the economists say we need them and I expect they're right; I'm in general agreement with Sharon wrt birth rates.

I just wish we had more of a melting pot society and that different cultures realized that they joined US. I don't believe the Charter right of freedom of religion must lead to religious accommodation.

"When you have a country where the people all look alike, think alike and act alike you have a much stronger country "

Usually not, bringing a new way of thinking makes you better and stronger just like bringing young blood in an old fart business. But I agree there is a limit to that.....

IMO Joe the biggest problem in your country is yourself, not terrorism. Las Vegas 59 - NY 8. You guys are your own enemy.

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Originally Posted by seabast

IMO Joe the biggest problem in your country is yourself, not terrorism. Las Vegas 59 - NY 8. You guys are your own enemy.

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Add Colorado Walmart shooter 3

You guys are missing the point - these isolated instances don't prove anything - just look at what is happening to countries in Europe, the middle East, here in the U.S. - as the diversity increases so do the problems - they have diversity in Iraq and see what is happening - different groups are always fighting with each other - the same in Syria - If a country feels that it needs more immigrants then it should try to get those that have a lot in common with the existing population - not immigrants that are entirely different - and as far as being a white supremacist my comments apply to any country no matter what the predominate race of that country is - you are buying into something that will bite you in the butt in the long run - just wait until something real bad happens in a country and see how all these different groups separate and look out for themselves - as far as history is concerned - it proves my point more than not -

They call it diversity - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03...-saturday.html

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Originally Posted by JoePa

You guys are missing the point - these isolated instances don't prove anything - just look at what is happening to countries in Europe, the middle East, here in the U.S. - as the diversity increases so do the problems - they have diversity in Iraq and see what is happening - different groups are always fighting with each other - the same in Syria - If a country feels that it needs more immigrants then it should try to get those that have a lot in common with the existing population - not immigrants that are entirely different - and as far as being a white supremacist my comments apply to any country no matter what the predominate race of that country is - you are buying into something that will bite you in the butt in the long run - just wait until something real bad happens in a country and see how all these different groups separate and look out for themselves - as far as history is concerned - it proves my point more than not -

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The different groups always fighting each other that you mention, are different groups [factions ] within the same religion, as some are more fanatical than others .
No different than what has been going on in Ireland , Irish Catholics fighting Irish Protestants, they are all Christians , but fighting one another, this is happening all over the world, all because of religion of one type or another .

Come on Joe, I do not dislike you an any shape one way or another, but these posts of yours should stop as they are getting VERY STALE !

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Originally Posted by JoePa

For years the lowdown progressive liberals have been saying (and unfortunately many believed it) that diversity was a good thing - well I'll tell you something - it ain't and what they are saying is a lot of BS - when you have a lot of diversity in a country you have a lot of turmoil and strife - just look around - you have different religions and each trying to promote their agenda - someone puts up a cross, a star or some other symbol and others get all upset and complain resulting the symbol being removed - then people get mad at each other - then you have different races where each has it own culture which often conflicts with the culture of other races - then people are mad at each other - then you have people with different political view points and they are fighting with each other to gain control of the country - how someone can say that this is good beats me

When you have a country where the people all look alike, think alike and act alike you have a much stronger country - and when things get rough the place doesn't fracture and fall apart - you all know if something really bad should happen each faction within a society will separate itself from others because there isn't anything to hold them together - just look at what is happening around the world and the trouble being caused by letting all kinds of people into various countries where they don't fit - this diversity concept is something that the one world order crowd has spawned - so next time you hear some joker trying to push diversity tell him he is full of ,,,,,,

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First: People have agendas; not religions. There are plenty of good people in all religions who don't want anything more than a roof over their head, food in their belly and a comfortable bed to sleep in at night in America. A bunch of yahoos don't speak for any certain religion don't speak for that religion the same way you don't speak for Christianity.

Second: Diversity makes a society stronger; not weaker. Looking back in history at every society which couldn't socially adapt and they all crumbled because they lacked the capacity to change because the thought of change was stifled (and in some cases punishable by death). Having a society which looked alike, thought alike, and acted alike didn't work for Roman, the British Empire, 1940's Germany, Russia through the cold war and basically the entire evolution of human society. If you look at the most successful countries in the world, they are countries which enjoy a diverse society. The G7 countries (most successful countries of the world) are all made up of countries which allow their citizens the freedom to look they way they want to look, believe what they want to believe and act the way they want to act (within their laws).

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Originally Posted by JoePa

You guys are missing the point - these isolated instances don't prove anything - just look at what is happening to countries in Europe, the middle East, here in the U.S. - as the diversity increases so do the problems - they have diversity in Iraq and see what is happening - different groups are always fighting with each other - the same in Syria -If a country feels that it needs more immigrants then it should try to get those that have a lot in common with the existing population - not immigrants that are entirely different- and as far as being a white supremacist my comments apply to any country no matter what the predominate race of that country is - you are buying into something that will bite you in the butt in the long run - just wait until something real bad happens in a country and see how all these different groups separate and look out for themselves - as far as history is concerned - it proves my point more than not -

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With your logic, the US would never have been a country because the only immigrants allowed into the US when it was a British colony would have been loyalists to the British crown, not the "radicals" who sought to overthrow the King and make a fair county for everyone. The Statue of Liberty is synonymous with the phrase "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breath free". There aren't any conditions about where people are from in that phrase. You seem not to care about how difficult it is for a person to have to move to a different part of the world where they have not social network, no friends, possibly no family or even no means to support themselves. Perhaps you should try a smidgen of Christian values you so desperately think are lacking in today's world to have some damned compassion for people who are trying to make a better lives for themselves.

They Dylhbringer where did you get the idea that I don't care or realize the difficulty that immigrants have when they locate in a different country - don't put things in my mouth - I still say that letting people into a country that have very little in common with that country is not good for the country - the G7 countries are not financially about over countries because they let immigrants into their countries that's for sure - and jaycee if my posts are getting stale be free not to read them but if you don't you are foregoing a chance to learn something - I'm just trying to educate people because so many just go along with what is handed to them and never really examine the issue - it's called political correctness - don't say or think anything that doesn't line up with the progressives - well I'll tell you something - you wait and see that happens because of all this BS that is being peddled - some day you'll look back - after I'm gone - and think - you know that guy JoePa that used to be on that OOD forum was right after all - you take care -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

They Dylhbringer where did you get the idea that I don't care or realize the difficulty that immigrants have when they locate in a different country - don't put things in my mouth - I still say that letting people into a country that have very little in common with that country is not good for the country - the G7 countries are not financially about over countries because they let immigrants into their countries that's for sure - and jaycee if my posts are getting stale be free not to read them but if you don't you are foregoing a chance to learn something - I'm just trying to educate people because so many just go along with what is handed to them and never really examine the issue - it's called political correctness - don't say or think anything that doesn't line up with the progressives - well I'll tell you something - you wait and see that happens because of all this BS that is being peddled - some day you'll look back - after I'm gone - and think - you know that guy JoePa that used to be on that OOD forum was right after all - you take care -

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I think you need to read a book written after 1950, I'm just trying to educate people, you know, racists, just trying to educate them.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

They Dylhbringer where did you get the idea that I don't care or realize the difficulty that immigrants have when they locate in a different country - don't put things in my mouth - I still say that letting people into a country that have very little in common with that country is not good for the country - the G7 countries are not financially about over countries because they let immigrants into their countries that's for sure - and jaycee if my posts are getting stale be free not to read them but if you don't you are foregoing a chance to learn something - I'm just trying to educate people because so many just go along with what is handed to them and never really examine the issue - it's called political correctness - don't say or think anything that doesn't line up with the progressives - well I'll tell you something - you wait and see that happens because of all this BS that is being peddled - some day you'll look back - after I'm gone - and think - you know that guy JoePa that used to be on that OOD forum was right after all - you take care -

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I got the idea from the tone of your general posts. You seem to think the people coming in are the problem. Immigrants want to live in your country. The majority of them are looking for a life better than what they have where they come from. Pinning the woes of your country on the people who want to make a better life than what they have is cowardly.

You have a holiday coming up celebrating the fact that way back in your history the people living here welcomed immigrants. Take a day to think on that.

I am not against immigrants - I think they should have a lot in common with the people who inhabit the country they are relocating to -

So you think diversity to good - well I got this guy who wants to move to Canada with his family - he has 6 wives, 15 kids, practices witchcraft, can't speak French or English, is a communist, is not educated, has HIV, doesn't like to work, is from some country in the middle East and thinks his culture is superior to others - since he has so much diversity in one package we are going to send a boat load of guys like him to Canada each year - that should make Canada much stronger

After WW1Germany was on its back - a leader came along and united the country and it became a world power - this was possible because the people were like minded in many ways - unfortunately the leader was evil and marched the country to destruction

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Originally Posted by JoePa

I am not against immigrants - I think they should have a lot in common with the people who inhabit the country they are relocating to -

So you think diversity to good - well I got this guy who wants to move to Canada with his family - he has 6 wives, 15 kids, practices witchcraft, can't speak French or English, is a communist, is not educated, has HIV, doesn't like to work, is from some country in the middle East and thinks his culture is superior to others - since he has so much diversity in one package we are going to send a boat load of guys like him to Canada each year - that should make Canada much stronger

After WW1Germany was on its back - a leader came along and united the country and it became a world power - this was possible because the people were like minded in many ways - unfortunately the leader was evil and marched the country to destruction

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And I think you do. You want people immigrating into your country which have alot in common with the American people. Guess what, the ones who you want are already living there or are living in countries like America.

Your example would be ineligible for immigration into Canada because he has more than one wife and has HIV.

Using the rise of Nazi power to try to prove your point is stupid and actually makes a point in favour of diversity. If everyone didn't think alike in Germany after WW1, Hilter doesn't rise to power.

I think if you look at history it us a problem when immigrants do not conform to their new country. I look back in history shows us the Irish the Dutch the Russians the Chinese all had their own little communities. They worked hard built their businesses and did well the new immigrants coming today don't want blend in they seem to want to hold on to their culture and not assimilate. If you look at the Amish Mennonites they live their own way of life and don't bother anybody never a problem.

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Originally Posted by smitty55

I have yet to see how this bs diversity line from the left has been proven to strengthen any country in the world. In fact recent history shows the exact opposite. How anyone can think that bringing in millions of immigrants that have little to no intent on assimilating into society except to suck it dry drawing welfare is beyond common sense.

Cheers

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Our family is currently sponsoring a family from Syria. WE have to sponsor them, not the government or you, they do not qualify for any social assistance in any way. Immigrant children have a higher pre and post secondary graduation rate. They will also long term pay more into the system from a tax perspective than they will ever draw from.

The widely-accepted view that immigrants have a long-term benefit on the receiving country's economy is supported by the findings of two recent studies.

Both studies make it clear that when the immigration argument is held in purely economic terms, the only possible conclusion is that more newcomers mean greater prosperity.

This past year the family purchased there first car, both children work 5 days a week after attending high school classes. The father works 6 days a week in a manufacturing plant and attends ESL classes in the evenings.

Dyth' - why doesn't Canada leave a guy who has HIV and 6 wives into the country - be careful how you answer this because you may shoot yourself in the foot - also if the Germans were not like minded it would have taken that country a real long time to get off its back - have a nice day - oh - one other minor point - how can I be against immigrants when my parents were immigrants - still trying to figure that one out

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Dyth' - why doesn't Canada leave a guy who has HIV and 6 wives into the country - be careful how you answer this because you may shoot yourself in the foot - also if the Germans were not like minded it would have taken that country a real long time to get off its back - have a nice day - oh - one other minor point - how can I be against immigrants when my parents were immigrants - still trying to figure that one out

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Because HIV fits the criteria of excessive demand on healthcare and it is illegal in Canada for permanent residents or citizens to engage in polygamy but good try.

Germany had to pay off it's debt from the treaty of Versailles from WW1. That is what took it so long to get off its back and allowed the rise of Hitler.

Your parents were immigrants? I wonder how they would have felt if someone said the same things about them that that you are saying now because I am fairly confident they didn't step off the boat and have the exact same way of thinking that the citizens at the time had. They might not have known English.

All I ask for is one set of rules for everyone. Want to be a construction worker but not wear a hard hat...pick another job. Want to go into legion and not take off your hat.....Drink somewhere else. I am so tired of government changing laws and rules over one person or one group. If I forget next month in December, Happy Holidays to everyone! LOL

Indians I give a little more....Want self government ....yes on your reserve......you are in the same rules as everyone else when you come off reserve. CHEERS!

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Originally Posted by wheelie

All I ask for is one set of rules for everyone. Want to be a construction worker but not wear a hard hat...pick another job. Want to go into legion and not take off your hat.....Drink somewhere else. I am so tired of government changing laws and rules over one person or one group. If I forget next month in December, Happy Holidays to everyone! LOL

Indians I give a little more....Want self government ....yes on your reserve......you are in the same rules as everyone else when you come off reserve. CHEERS!

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Thank you.

Bandwagon speaks from experience, something most of us here haven't had.
What about this though?
Does JT think breaking the law is OK?
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...service=mobile
If you get a meal ticket to Canada JUST because you are howmo then there is something wrong here.

P.S. Oceans, deserts and mountain ranges once kept races of people seperate and living in harmony from their neighbours. Food for thought.

"For three months, the federal government has been secretly spiriting gay Chechen men from Russia to Canada, under a clandestine program unique in the world.
The evacuations, spearheaded by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, fall outside the conventions of international law and could further impair already tense relations between Russia and Canada. But the Liberal government decided to act regardless." quote

Good for Canada! Being a homosexual in Russia is a sure fire way to get killed /imprisoned - placing them in need of immediate rescue. Good reason for a special immigration law imo. Your need for rescue should never be based on your sexuality.

The major factor that should be considered when granting any person citizenship is what is best for the country - not what is best for some foreigner or best for some special group - I don't know how bringing in homosexuals into Canada is best for Canada - if you feel that their lives are at risk in Russia then why are you stopping there - there are millions upon millions of people around the globe who are living in danger - should we open the doors to all these too - if you do you can say goodbye to your standard of living - your culture and everything else Canadian -

Here in the states our immigration policies are all screwed up - we leave over a million immigrants into our country each year - more than half of these end up on welfare - only 1 in 15 come here for employment reasons - the vast majority come here simply because they happen to be related to someone already here - that is why we have more Somalia born residents than Australia born residents even though Australians are more are better prepared to integrate and assimilate into American way of life - right now the surge of immigrants are coming from South America the East and South Asia - historically when there was a surge of immigrants a period of low immigration followed that allowed the new immigrants a time to assimilate into the American way of life - this isn't happening anymore - Trump is president today because of the immigration issue - people got fed up with their country being changed by all the foreigners coming into their country

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Your need for rescue should never be based on your sexuality.

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Or because of it

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P.S. Oceans, deserts and mountain ranges once kept races of people seperate and living in harmony from their neighbours. Food for thought.

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Good fences make good neighbors.

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon

Our family is currently sponsoring a family from Syria. WE have to sponsor them, not the government or you, they do not qualify for any social assistance in any way. Immigrant children have a higher pre and post secondary graduation rate. They will also long term pay more into the system from a tax perspective than they will ever draw from.

The widely-accepted view that immigrants have a long-term benefit on the receiving country's economy is supported by the findings of two recent studies.

Both studies make it clear that when the immigration argument is held in purely economic terms, the only possible conclusion is that more newcomers mean greater prosperity.

This past year the family purchased there first car, both children work 5 days a week after attending high school classes. The father works 6 days a week in a manufacturing plant and attends ESL classes in the evenings.

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Big difference in sponsoring a family (pre planned) than bringing in thousands of refugees from another country without any background checks done on them. Both my parents entire family came to Canada after the second world war and were also sponsored the correct way and received no government funding. Stephen Harper before his term was completed had 10,000 Syrian Christians in the system already approved to immigrate to Canada. Guess who received the pat on this back for the first wave of Syrians to come over... Trudeau !

Somehow the media made no mention that these Syrians were already approved by Harper and the hair gel kid was waiting at Airport for them making sure they would be voting for him next time around. The other 30,000 plus refugees are supported by the government and the others that will be coming in the new year probably will be as well.

It's important we get our facts straight and anything that the Liberals are apart of is usually not on the up and up based on their track record.