Moose and deer questionnaire

Has anyone else received a moose and deer questionnaire from MNRF? Seems ironic to me that I have to put a stamp on each one of these information sheets to get them back to the Einsteins who supposedly process this info into harvest quotas for specific WMUS. The Ont. gov't can afford to mail me a letter about every six weeks telling me that my neighbour uses less hydro than I do but can't afford a prepaid information form that contains information that regulates our big game harvest and seasons. Rant over hunt and fish safely everyone.

I agree ! ..... Did them online anyway .
Glen

I agree too, but they may be trying to promote the “on line” response from us. I did it for both moose and deer reports. Saved $2

Couldn't agree more, I will be doing mine online.

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Originally Posted by ysyg

I agree too, but they may be trying to promote the “on line” response from us. I did it for both moose and deer reports. Saved $2

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I am sure the price of tags will rise by more than $ 2 next year.

Did both my moose and deer online... I can say I did my part

Don't forget bear too!
I just did my moose and bear and also my sons moose and bear.
We hunt together so his info is my info.
Moose was easy NO we didn't go.
Finally never had to answer how many wolf scats I seen or stepped in ..
.... like I'm a wolf scat expert! What will the MNR do now without my wolf scat info!

Bears is mandatory so we don't need an MNR guy here at the house with the fine book in hand like last years witch hunt for a few members here.

I will drop it in the mail without stamp, let them get charged for postage.

Just log in with your outdoor card here and submit it online.

No need to use a stamp / mail it in.

Did mine online easy peasy! In 92B I seen an average of 5 deer per day. Not in range mind you but I seen them.. Lol

Hydro and the MNR have completely different fundings. MNR is severely underfunded as you probably know. Yet you think they should prepay for a stamp for everyone even though 90% of us will do it online?
If $1 is that valuable to you, your in the wrong sport.
These are truly first world problems.
Just do your part. there truly are some good people within the MNR trying to do the right thing, even though they don't get enough funding. Your information might just help them out.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

Hydro and the MNR have completely different fundings. MNR is severely underfunded as you probably know. Yet you think they should prepay for a stamp for everyone even though 90% of us will do it online?
If $1 is that valuable to you, your in the wrong sport.
These are truly first world problems.
Just do your part. there truly are some good people within the MNR trying to do the right thing, even though they don't get enough funding. Your information might just help them out.

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I think you are missing the point......It's not the dollar, it's the mismanagement of my funds by the government that is the problem. (likely others feel the same)

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Originally Posted by fratri

I think you are missing the point......It's not the dollar, it's the mismanagement of my funds by the government that is the problem. (likely others feel the same)

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And the mismanagement isn't simply restricted to the MNRF.

We do like to complain. The op was talking about the mnr not providing paid postage for returning questionairs. I think they got it right to give us the option of submitting free on line or paying the postage. Give them a break ....... they got it right (this time)

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Originally Posted by fratri

I think you are missing the point......It's not the dollar, it's the mismanagement of my funds by the government that is the problem. (likely others feel the same)

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not missing the point, I can't stand the way this gov't pi$$es my tax dollars away. But punishing one level of the gov't that is completely underfunded already isn't making any kind of a point.

We all complain about poachers and the lack of enforcement by an underfunded branch of the gov't and yet we then want them to waste more money so your not out the price of a stamp if you can't do it online. I find that really funny from people who are typing on an online forum to complain in the first place. Its not like they don't have online access.

Complain all you want about the billions the liberals have wasted or stolen from us, but complaining about the MNR not prepaying your postage is outrageous.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

not missing the point, I can't stand the way this gov't pi$$es my tax dollars away. But punishing one level of the gov't that is completely underfunded already isn't making any kind of a point.

We all complain about poachers and the lack of enforcement by an underfunded branch of the gov't and yet we then want them to waste more money so your not out the price of a stamp if you can't do it online. I find that really funny from people who are typing on an online forum to complain in the first place. Its not like they don't have online access.

Complain all you want about the billions the liberals have wasted or stolen from us, but complaining about the MNR not prepaying your postage is outrageous.

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Well next year we will be able to save the MNRF even more money as we will be printing our own licenses..........Sadly that won't eliminate the $2+HST admin fee.

yes sir, and I think printing my own licence is a great step, and if it puts more money into enforcement I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

yes sir, and I think printing my own licence is a great step, and if it puts more money into enforcement I'm all for it.

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I think the extra revenue (thanks to Trudeau and Wynne) will just go up in smoke... could not resists.. :)

$1 x 2= $2 if online is so great why did they mail these questionnaires out in the first place? I suppose you are one of those people who are happy with online hunting and fishing regs. as well. If I receive hard copy I presume they want answer in hard copy!

There is only one government and they are totally out of control.
Especially in Ontario.
If you like the MNR so much I am sure they would accept any donations you would send them. LOL

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Originally Posted by JUDGE

There is only one government and they are totally out of control.
Especially in Ontario.
If you like the MNR so much I am sure they would accept any donations you would send them. LOL

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Well I'll agree with you on the gov't being totally out of control, but if you don't understand the division between the MNR who begs Wynne for funding every year and Wynne, you will never understand my point anyway.

So enjoy your little pointless revolt that will mean nothing to anyone anyway. May as well just throw a blank piece of paper in the mail box. It will be just as effective.

Or if you want, send me your address and I'll mail you a stamp so you can just do the right thing. Or you could just click the link provided and do it there. There is a time and place to fight the system. This ain't it.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

Well I'll agree with you on the gov't being totally out of control, but if you don't understand the division between the MNR who begs Wynne for funding every year and Wynne, you will never understand my point anyway.

So enjoy your little pointless revolt that will mean nothing to anyone anyway. May as well just throw a blank piece of paper in the mail box. It will be just as effective.

Or if you want, send me your address and I'll mail you a stamp so you can just do the right thing. Or you could just click the link provided and do it there. There is a time and place to fight the system. This ain't it.

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FREE STAMPS! I got 3 questionnaires .... and my son too! probably easier to just send me a book of stamps.!
PM sent with my address!

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So last year 85 391 people applied for an adult moose tag (total of choice 1 applicants for the gun and bow seasons for both pool 1 and pool 2) from the Ontario Hunting Regulations. Let's make an estimation that another 15% just purchased a calf tag to bring the total potential Ontario moose hunter to around 98 200.

Last year, 122 430 people applied for an antlerless tag for all the WMU (based on adding up all the 1st applications from the antlerless deer table (both open and bow only)). Based on the fact one can purchase an antlered license and seal without choosing to enter the antlerless draw, we need a bigger factor. I figure 40% more of that number of hunters don't apply for an anterless seal. So that would bring the estimated number of hunters with a deer seal of some kind to approximately 171 500.

Stamps are $.85 for standard letters or cards. So using my numbers, if every questionnaire was an individual one, the grand total to self stamp would be about $229 245. This is small potatoes considering this government has raised the cost of licenses (including the cost of mandatory small game licenses that deer and moose hunters have to purchase) significantly over the last couple of years (and let's not forget the fact the government has dipped into the special purpose account for non hunting and angling purposes).

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Originally Posted by FishHog

not missing the point, I can't stand the way this gov't pi$$es my tax dollars away. But punishing one level of the gov't that is completely underfunded already isn't making any kind of a point.

We all complain about poachers and the lack of enforcement by an underfunded branch of the gov't and yet we then want them to waste more money so your not out the price of a stamp if you can't do it online. I find that really funny from people who are typing on an online forum to complain in the first place. Its not like they don't have online access.

Complain all you want about the billions the liberals have wasted or stolen from us, but complaining about the MNR not prepaying your postage is outrageous.

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times 2

X 2 I got 3 also

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Originally Posted by SK33T3R

FREE STAMPS! I got 3 questionnaires .... and my son too! probably easier to just send me a book of stamps.!
PM sent with my address!

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Why don't these geniuses at the MNR just email the questionnaires to us? Most hunters (that have email) would be willing to get an email reminder that the survey was online or have a pdf attached that could be printed off and mailed back. This would save $$$ in wasted mailing costs on their end.

Black Bear season ends tonight and I'm not going out,so,I just finished the survey on-line. I was sent a Moose survey,too,but,I'm not in an area that requires the survey,but,I'll do it,too,even though it'll be all zeros. The data from these surveys are important. Hopefully,everyone fills them out honestly. We'll just be shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't.

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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960

Why don't these geniuses at the MNR just email the questionnaires to us?

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How would the MNR get our e-mail address ?

They provide the link to the on-line questionnaire, that should be enough.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

How would the MNR get our e-mail address ?

They provide the link to the on-line questionnaire, that should be enough.

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If you've ever purchased an outdoors card or license online you'd see that the MNR already offer the opportunity to enter your email address & opt in for email updates and information emails. I've had those opt ins checked for a number of years, but, alas, have never received anything from them. There are extremely basic and inexpensive email software options that they can use to do this type of email campaign. The amount of $$$ they waste in mailings in one year would cover the cost. It's about efficiency and limiting waste.

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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960

I've had those opt ins checked for a number of years,

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Ahhh..the first thing I do is uncheck THOSE boxes..who would want the MNR to have your email address..LOL..

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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960

If you've ever purchased an outdoors card or license online you'd see that the MNR already offer the opportunity to enter your email address & opt in for email updates and information emails. I've had those opt ins checked for a number of years, but, alas, have never received anything from them. There are extremely basic and inexpensive email software options that they can use to do this type of email campaign. The amount of $$$ they waste in mailings in one year would cover the cost. It's about efficiency and limiting waste.

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I've had the same options checked and have never received anything by email from them either. As well as sending surveys, they could easily send outdoors card renewal reminders via email too.

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Originally Posted by delmer

I've had the same options checked and have never received anything by email from them either. As well as sending surveys, they could easily send outdoors card renewal reminders via email too.

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Delmer: that's getting way too efficient for government. We gotta go in baby steps here[emoji16]

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This is just roomer but I heard that finance minister Bill Morneau and his father will be pay for all of our stamps this year.They made a lot of money on inside tradeing
Thanks bill
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Originally Posted by Fatfish949i

This is just roomer but I heard that finance minister Bill Morneau and his father will be pay for all of our stamps this year.They made a lot of money on inside tradeing
Thanks bill
lol��

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I heard a rumor that Brian Muldome would chip in some money from his gun running friend,s from Germany and Syria.Heck if they can get Canadian citizenship and honorary University Degrees bestowed on them,they can take some cash from their Panama offshore accounts and help us out.

You've been given a choice online (free) of buy a stamp. Ball's in your court, you have options, which ever one you choose is your choice. Why the MNR would not send the questionnaire with the licence / controlled lottery seal instead of 2 separate mailings is beyond me. I think eventually the reporting will go 100 % online, but for now there are still a high number of hunters who do not know how to use computers. So for now we have an option.

Just filled out my deer hunting questionnaire online it seemed pretty quick and easy to me. But yes there is a lot of government wastage out there at all levels and some folks suffer because of it.
Cheers
BG68

Completed mt mandatory moose questionnaire online the Sunday after the hunt was over.

December 28th a Purolator driver rings my door bell and says he has a signature required package. I signed for it and opened it up to find a letter addressed to me from the Bancroft MNRF acting district manager advising that it is an offense to not complete and return the survey, and that I wouldn't be eligible for the 2018 draw. Also enclosed was a blank questionnaire for me to fill out and return. The letter also said that I could complete the survey online.

So I looked up her email address and sent her an email advising that I already completed the survey online and attached a screen shot of their big game survey page showing the only survey available to me is the deer survey. Obviously I had already completed the survey online as well as the bear survey.

I asked her to confirm that that they received the online surveys and contact me.

This week I got an email from the biologist in Bancroft advising that they don't get the online surveys and that I wouldn't need to complete another one and that I am now eligible for the 2018

I have replied back asking for confirmation of who receives the online survey data if it isn't given to the local biologist responsible for the local surveys. What is the data used for if not given to the local biologist?

I have also asked for a reasonable explanation of using signature required couriers at a much higher cost than using a registered letter via Canada post which would have been half the price.

So from my experience, the survey data isn't that important to them, they didn't seem as concerned about getting the information locally as they were concerned about eliminating a hunters eligibility to the next draw and maybe a fine. Financially the are not too concerned about operating expenses and trying to save on postage.

In the meantime while I wait for their response, I wouldn't be surprised if Purolator shows up with a similar letter for my bear survey.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

Completed mt mandatory moose questionnaire online the Sunday after the hunt was over.

December 28th a Purolator driver rings my door bell and says he has a signature required package. I signed for it and opened it up to find a letter addressed to me from the Bancroft MNRF acting district manager advising that it is an offense to not complete and return the survey, and that I wouldn't be eligible for the 2018 draw. Also enclosed was a blank questionnaire for me to fill out and return. The letter also said that I could complete the survey online.

So I looked up her email address and sent her an email advising that I already completed the survey online and attached a screen shot of their big game survey page showing the only survey available to me is the deer survey. Obviously I had already completed the survey online as well as the bear survey.

I asked her to confirm that that they received the online surveys and contact me.

This week I got an email from the biologist in Bancroft advising that they don't get the online surveys and that I wouldn't need to complete another one and that I am now eligible for the 2018

I have replied back asking for confirmation of who receives the online survey data if it isn't given to the local biologist responsible for the local surveys. What is the data used for if not given to the local biologist?

I have also asked for a reasonable explanation of using signature required couriers at a much higher cost than using a registered letter via Canada post which would have been half the price.

So from my experience, the survey data isn't that important to them, they didn't seem as concerned about getting the information locally as they were concerned about eliminating a hunters eligibility to the next draw and maybe a fine. Financially the are not too concerned about operating expenses and trying to save on postage.

In the meantime while I wait for their response, I wouldn't be surprised if Purolator shows up with a similar letter for my bear survey.

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That is bureaucratic bungling at it's worst. Honestly,they couldn't organize a pissup at The Legion. I'm glad to see that you're calling them out. Don't take your foot off the gas for one second and put lots of pressure on your local MPP,too.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

Completed mt mandatory moose questionnaire online the Sunday after the hunt was over.

December 28th a Purolator driver rings my door bell and says he has a signature required package. I signed for it and opened it up to find a letter addressed to me from the Bancroft MNRF acting district manager advising that it is an offense to not complete and return the survey, and that I wouldn't be eligible for the 2018 draw. Also enclosed was a blank questionnaire for me to fill out and return. The letter also said that I could complete the survey online.

So I looked up her email address and sent her an email advising that I already completed the survey online and attached a screen shot of their big game survey page showing the only survey available to me is the deer survey. Obviously I had already completed the survey online as well as the bear survey.

I asked her to confirm that that they received the online surveys and contact me.

This week I got an email from the biologist in Bancroft advising that they don't get the online surveys and that I wouldn't need to complete another one and that I am now eligible for the 2018

I have replied back asking for confirmation of who receives the online survey data if it isn't given to the local biologist responsible for the local surveys. What is the data used for if not given to the local biologist?

I have also asked for a reasonable explanation of using signature required couriers at a much higher cost than using a registered letter via Canada post which would have been half the price.

So from my experience, the survey data isn't that important to them, they didn't seem as concerned about getting the information locally as they were concerned about eliminating a hunters eligibility to the next draw and maybe a fine. Financially the are not too concerned about operating expenses and trying to save on postage.

In the meantime while I wait for their response, I wouldn't be surprised if Purolator shows up with a similar letter for my bear survey.

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Wow, what a waste of time and resources.

The MNR is a big joke.. they have no clue on anything
Why don’t they learn from our neighbour from the south?
This is how it works when you kill animal in the USA
There is 1 800 number on your tag that you have to call and report the animal within 24 hours
Depends on which state you’re hunting some allow more time
At the end your report you will get a confirmation number end of the story
What’s wrong with this method?

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Originally Posted by skull

The MNR is a big joke.. they have no clue on anything
Why don’t they learn from our neighbour from the south?
This is how it works when you kill animal in the USA
There is 1 800 number on your tag that you have to call and report the animal within 24 hours
Depends on which state you’re hunting some allow more time
At the end your report you will get a confirmation number end of the story
What’s wrong with this method?

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It's too easy, that is why we have University grads. sitting in their offices trying to figure out ways to make things more complicated so they can keep their jobs .