Explanation of the forthcoming changes to the hunting and fishing licensing system. The most info I have seen regarding the new system. This package is courtesy of the government.
http://www.ofah.org/zonej/wp-content...H_20130313.pdf
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Explanation of the forthcoming changes to the hunting and fishing licensing system. The most info I have seen regarding the new system. This package is courtesy of the government.
http://www.ofah.org/zonej/wp-content...H_20130313.pdf
I miss the old stickers you used to get in the mail and affix to the back of the outdoors card for you licenses and then a separate seal for the animal.
We will still have to buy an outdoors card, even though it does not actually hold any licenses, keeping the tax I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Remember when all your licenses were on one card? Oh the good old days, ha ha.
This should be interesting. A learning curve no doubt. Printing off your seals sounds like a win.
Good for picture ID....don't carry my wallet when I hunt, but have to carry that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
No picture on your hunting license, picture on your PAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Your right...and they're both in the laynard :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I'm not entirely sold on not having to attach a seal on an animal. Legalities asside, sealing an animal was like putting the cherry on top of the ice cream and was the final sign of accomplishment -especially for new hunters. Weird, I know, maybe I'm the only guy who feels this way.
I agree except for Bear. I thought placing a tag in the nose of the bear was a disgrace to the animal. I'm happy that will no longer be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
It' s always fun to watch the shooter trying to notch out those tabs with a knife while he still on the Adrenalin high...LOL...
Or his hands are froze solid? LOL I use an old card punch, the same as the paperboys used to carry?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Mike, yes, there's a risk of butchered finger tips or a butchered tag - especially for the guy with the huge Bowie knife.
Deer Hunter, I agree, plus a tag through the nose spoiled the picture.
For us using nothing but a knife to notch the tag,here is a neat tip(developed after cutting myself more then once........)Take the whatever knife you have,with hands cold or not,place the tag on a nearby tree trunk,press the paper on the tree and cut the notch (where you need to notch the tag) like you are cutting V into the trunk with the tip of your knife..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
No flimsiness,no paper collapsing,just a neat V.
A tree is a great idea....I found guys don't like you using the plastic fenders on their ATV :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Carry fingernail clippers. They work great to notch tags.....
i mean no-one is stopping you from attaching your seal to the animal if that's what you like. although no longer required by law but no harm done. maybe just print off 2 as the paper one attached to the animal will be mangled after a drag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
You will not be able to print more than one game seal.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkcity
He can photo copy it , it'll be illegal, but it's just for show anyway......try explaining that to the CO...LOL...
Print to PDF and print out 50000 if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I would imagine that was dealt with to prevent duplicate printing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Print to PDF is the same as printing to a printer, you could also print it to script, there are lots of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
The thing is, if someone is going to poach they are going to poach, having another tag that they printed will probably not make them poachers but it is possible.
Small multi tool with scissors works well,too.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
i'm only speculating cause i don't know but who cares if you print off 1000 copies, the unique barcode or serial # with that tag will render the other 999 useless once it is reported. just my thoughts. i don't see how they can possibly stop multiple prints or copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
This would work but it would have to be recorded. I would ask why they do not work with a tag termination system, you have to call in when you tag the animal or in the case where there is no cell phone coverage that the tag number be called in the night of the kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkcity
This would terminate that tag number, then if a CO were to stop someone with a tag that had that number but the date and time were different then they would know it was a tag copy and poaching.
This system has been in place in many states for many years.....I'm sure if it didn't work they would have stopped using it....nothing like beta testing with the rednecks in the deep south to find the loop holes for poachers :)
Don't let Canadians off the hook, you know you have heard the bang/thump single shot at dusk during the summer months.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Clearly, you have no concept of the vastness of this province? Some hunt gangs are hours away from a phone or cell service. Calling in would not be practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
those guys don't worry about trying to trick a CO with funky paperwork..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I think that if the CO's phone doesn't work, he will understand...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Clearly I have no idea what it is like to hunt in the bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
There are situations where it would not work well but for 90% of situations hunters are easily within a quick drive to a phone if there is no home phone or cell phone.
Situations where I could see this being impractical would be mainly moose hunting in the far north, hunting from the Soo would not hurt that, hunting moose near Kapuskasing (where part of my family is from) is also no longer a problem, heck, the cell coverage runs 10 miles from the highway.
I can see it in most cases where the moose hunter would have no problem going for a rip after the moose is out of the bush to go call in to a toll free number about the animal harvested and probably brag a bit for their kill.
We had a mandatory check in system for wild turkeys for years followed by a phone in system that is currently in place, for the vast majority of the province this system would work very well and give some actual real time data as to the harvest numbers as nobody will claim they tagged an animal during the season when they have not, something that can happen with the current harvest survey at the end of the year.
Nope, but you know what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Tested on the good old boys down south does not mean that the guys around our parts will stop.
will stop ??..poaching.?? ...since when has a pieces of paper stopped a poacher..? Tags only keep honesty people honest and I have been around enough hunt camps to know that doesn't work either ...LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I think there are poachers, then honest people and also a group of people who do what is legal simply because they fear they will get caught. This group is the group that may sway to poaching with the rule changes. How large that group is depends a lot on the area in the province and how they were brought up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Were we hunt Moose we are 120 miles from a cell area, and I am not driving 120 there and 120 back to call.
Unless like last year it got to warm to hang the moose, and we had to drive it to Thunder Bay and have it butchered.
IIRC, the actual reporting of the kill is pretty lax, so no rushing 120 miles to a phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
You hunt 120 miles from a phone? There are still public phones around in Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
Like I said, for 90%+ of the big game harvests you should be able to call it in within an hour or two.
Many US states have mandatory check ins of the entire animal, why would it be a problem to call it in, pay phones do still exist and a toll free number reduces your need for change.
Geez, I wish they would stop the children from playing on the internet? Fox, take a big breath, back away slowly and let the adults discuss this. Now run along....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Well that's totally disrespectful and uncalled for...why would you post that crap... ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
It is the nature of the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Pay phones? I haven't seen one of those anywhere in a very long time. Bell has had an elimination program since 2003. Just as an aside,my grandson (age 12) and I were north of Timmins fishing a couple of years ago when we pulled into a small "mom&pop" gas station. Outside was a phone booth with a disconnected and broken phone still in it. He looked at it and said "What's that thing,Grandpa?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Pretty hard to call in a floatplane for a ride to a payphone within an hour or 2... lmao.
There was actually a big fight not that long (month?) about about a pay phone that Bell was trying to remove, it was in a rural community not far from Algonquin Park. They were fighting to keep the phone as cell coverage did not really exist in that area and this was a safety net for the community. They do still exist in Northern Ontario and in other places in Ontario. If the concern is a lack of call in stations then gas stations and hotels could be considered check stations for game, the same way as big buck contests and the old turkey check stations. The elimination program you are talking about from 2003 I can understand for the cell coverage areas of Southern Ontario but it was in 2007 that they increased the cost of cash local calls to 50 cents, so they were not planning to get rid of them or why bother going through the hassle of the increase to the CRTC.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I still see no problem with a call in for big game, this would invalidate the tag and get some proper harvest information, it would also help to keep the fence sitters honest.
Your grandson is 12? He probably has no clue what a turn table is either, or vinyl records, but they are still in production.
He said what a lot of members on this forum are thinking and many have agreed with by reading their posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The forum has rules to keep it civil....'think' all you want...when you post it your in violation of the rules....
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You keep posting your crap and this is what is going to keep on happening, guys are SICK of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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Originally Posted by jaycee
[QUOTE=Fox;1060918]It is the nature of the forum.
Hi there!
I am a member of this forum as many of us,and YES there are many opportunities on this very Forum to improve.
Making a summary comment as above(sharing Your opinion with the members about the Nature of the Forum being crap.........)while following all rules of the Forum,still does not fit right!
As much as that does not fit right,as much as constant lecturing other members and telling them things what they should do,what they do or know wrong ,should know or accept ...while keeping standing up for " strong rights"to share non compromise-able self opinion.
Members are all adults,they know many things in their own might...and while unprovoked challenging others(120 miles from a phone?...kid not knowing what is a pay phone ...other members opinion about hunting camp is all "negative" if it does not go along with the "ruling opinion" ....)may follow all rules of the forum ,still does not help .
Why starting then a thread about "personal ethics and hating on other hunters"...if the message comes across as : Do as I say-Not as I do?
Following common courtesy,not being in members faces many times when it i not called for,and" Doing as I say "goes a long way.
Now-i am not looking for a fight here,and i respect You as much as I respect any other member here,and yes,i do not know You at all,and i am not challenging Your experience,years of hunting,rights for opinion,and sharing it.........but if we want to keep this Forum viable,valuable and cultural,many things can help.
Especially respecting others in ALL possible ways.
Yep-we are all humans,and this is a faceless forum,but if we try,we can do it.
But - we ALL have to try!
Cheers
Read the post following yours, and don,t forget to abide by the rules yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I have cannot ever recall seeing a nice post from either of you since I have been on this site which is now 10 years. Have you ever actually contributed something meaning full??
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Originally Posted by duckslayer
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Originally Posted by jaycee
Maybe the reason is is that you do not read all the posts!Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
No he's pretty much on the mark...Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Thank-you sir. I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
This seems a moot point, as I have not seen anything in the proposed changes that would indicate that big game harvest reporting will need to take place after the kill. I believe the changes will still rely on end of season reporting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Having said that, reporting within an hour or two as you keep insisting, would be highly impractical and would be consequently plagued by non-compliance, even when in proximity to a phone. I'm only speaking from my experience.
Like was discussed in another thread earlier...a few of the the US states using this new tag/reporting system saySo I guess the definition of 'recovery' would have to be clarified....does it mean at the dock where the float plane lands and you unload the game ? ..then you should have access to communication by 5pm the next day..Quote:
5pm the day after the recovery
They're a lot of hunters, in states like Montana, that spend days 'recovering' their game on horseback...once they get it home, they have till 5pm the next day to report it...
Recovery would mean when you put your hands on the animal. As far as how the reporting is mandated, we will find out when the changes are implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Oh com'on Rick? Why would you post that crap? It's just so disrespectful and uncalled for? Common sense and good logic has no place in this thread. You've entirely ruled out all the what ifs and maybe's that the kid was getting us straightened out on?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Your only one day into the weekend Bushmoose you'd better pace yourself...LOL...
Back to it again on this subject and some still haven't understood the issues, unreal!!! Unpractical and a poacher gift at the least. It seems like the MNR is either stupid or only cares about the money. Probably both....
I was thinking the same thing....a system being used by 10s of 1,000's of hunters in the US for years now and still they think it won't work here. Guys sure don't like change...LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
I still remember the brouhaha when the MNR contract went to a US firm (same one in fact)) and the "sky is falling" crowd was out in full force on here for months bemoaning how it was never going to work etc etc...
Turns out it worked pretty well, at least we don't hear of too many complaints..
Would it help if the guys would complain?
I for instance could not understand how the 0.5 square inch sticker (we used to have)on the Outdoors card could be replaced by a cheaper 10-12 square inch plastic -self adhesive ,carry on type paperwork.How that could be cheaper.....reasoning to move to this new (or old to be soon)system was cost saving,right?Yes,there is more to the cost then just a sticker.....but.
I may missed it ,but do not recall any public cost breakdown and cost justification for this move,so the reason for that move remains mystery for me(but i may missed something)Never mind why our $ go outside of the country?
At the other hand with low or non existing inflation in Canada why this new system will eliminate the cost increase as stated earlier?There should be none, considering the economy...at best matching the inflation,which is on 50 $ maybe 1 $ a year...of course non proportional fee hike raises questions in ppl's mind?
Government has right to do so,but then they could just say it as such,instead of trying to sell it as something beneficial?
It works in places,but we do not know the ins and outs,and especially we do not know how the impacted THERE feel about this "coming to us"system.
They use it-but they also have no other option.
Clearly ,many members feel not so hot about this change,and it is also clear we can do nothing about it.
Case could be closed.
There is an old saying-if ain't broken,do not fix it!
Just my 2 cents....
Unless it can be done cheaper.....which is always the deciding factor when it comes to government contracts...reality is we send soldiers to war with equipment built by the lowest bidder. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Based on the limited info in the link I originally provided, it isn't clear if reports are going to be required within a certain time frame after the kill (i.e. the current system for mandatory turkey harvest reporting) or whether it will be at season's end (i.e. the current system for mandatory controlled deer hunt reporting). It could very well be a combination of the two, where successful hunters report when they fill their tag, and everyone else reports after the season. At this point, it is a mystery to everyone, except the people making the rules.
• Anyone issued a Tag (moose, deer, elk, bear, turkey,
wolf/coyote for select WMUs) will have a mandatory
reporting requirement (whether they hunted or not).
• System will track reporting obligations, send reminders and provide
confirmation of submitted reports.
Thanx Mike-looking forward for price decrease then....:o:o:o..just kidding!:silly:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Governments don't reduce prices they limit increases..that doesn't put any money in your pocket but makes you happy it didn't cost more the next year..HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Sure it works. Give me your money and print yourself, win-win situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
But then it opens the door to easy poaching... And a PITA for some in remote areas.....Who cares, it works, we got your money....
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.....and when you screw up using the "system",they'll get your money....again.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast