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I was leaving Bay of Quinte yesterday morning with my son. Big Island area.
We were pulled over by Conversation officer. We had fillets from 3 fish frozen in a bag.
When filleting I did not leave a 1" patch of skin on the fillets.
$125 fine for not doing that. Plus he took the fish of course.
I'm not complaining. I knew that should be done - just didn't.
Lesson learned for future.
Thanks for the public service announcement.
Some times good guys get nipped to get the message out that it is important too follow the rules :(.
Kudos on you for not blaming the mean old CO's :thumbup:
Apparently you don't have to pay the fine anyway.
Don't have to pay the fine? Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
The gov't doesn't come after you for not paying fines in regards to fish and game act type of stuff. I just learned this myself in another thread on here a few weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roper
Bad stuff happens to good people unfortunately, but yes lesson learned.
Government always go after what's owed to them. You are miss informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
Nope not for fishing and hunting, there are millions in outstanding fine.
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Originally Posted by One_Tracc_Mind
Too bad about the fine, glad you are taking it like a champ....I am all for enforcement/education but lots of ways to do that without making one pay especially since there was no intent... my 2cts.
Yes they can and they are starting to. There is a section in the FWCA that allows them to do so and a process to go through but they have done this in the past and are still doing it from what I hear. They will send you a demand letter for the unpaid fines giving a period of time to pay at which time, if not paid go for a court order to have your licenses cancelled/suspended until such time the fine is paid.Quote:
Nope not for fishing and hunting, there are millions in outstanding fine.
Before this thread goes side way, this is the references.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunde...ines-1.4060373
http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/Ontario-...ines-go-unpaid
There is a thread somewhere (else) all about it if you want to beat it again.
I do not know about some of you on here , but if I get a bill-ticket , I pay it. Unless it is unjust, then I fight , and only pay if the court says I lost. Why would you not pay a fine you received for breaking the rules? My father used to say, 'just because you can, does not mean you should'.
Pay the peanuts and call it a lesson learned . Thanks for sharing I wonder how many actually leave that little piece of skin on the fillet.
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I agree that you are taking it like a champ and doing us a service by sharing the reminder. Kudos to you. I also agree that even good people occasionally make mistakes, what separates them is how they handle it. Much respect to you.
I went to Orillia last week. I caught a limit of eyes the day before. I made sure I left skin on, especially since I was pulling a boat. You never know when the CO will be around. Easy enough to forget, but costly if get caught. I agree if you do the crime, pay the fine.
“No intent” ??????Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
Well if you need an explanation and not to put words in fratri mouth my take is there was no criminal or nefarious intent. Just some dude that was a bit shall we say lazy (granted I'm sure that's not the right word for it) in following the transport laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Was a fine a bit harsh for it maybe but had he received a warning would it make it to the forum and receive 500 views?
Again respect to the OP for his attitude and realizing the fine was more to get the message out there.
Ive started taking the fillet off and leaving the whole skin for transport. Its just as easy to remove the whole skin as it is a small piece
We plucked our ducks in the blind when I was a young hunter forgetting to leave plummage on one wing. You guessed it. CO was at the landing and found the one damn duck out of twelve we had without the feathers. We split the ticket costing us $5 each and caught holy highland h**l when we got home (CO was a friend of Grandpa's). I did all the chores by myself for a week. Live and learn.
These day's we eat our fish on site, so I don't worry about it any more.
Sorry about your luck Russ. Glad to see you are taking it like a man.
Same here, I take the skin off when I get home.
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Originally Posted by blasted_saber
I don't believe in fines or discipline to send a message. If you want to send a message do just that, there are message boards all over the internet, there's radio, newspaper any number of ways to do it. Fine people for breaking the law or let them off with a warning if you feel a fine is not necessary. On the other issue of not collecting fines, how about sending a message and collect the outstanding fines. Just my opinion.
Example...guys were just fined $19K for shooting a swan...word of the size of the fines travelled far and wide..message sent...yes it works !!Quote:
Originally Posted by ldub
Shooting a non game bird, is not even in the same universe as leaving a inch of skin on a walleye fillet from the self the proclaimed walleye capital of the world imo. Sending a message, in a lot of cases is often done by bosses at work, or authorities such as police or C.O.s because they don't have the time the resources or are just to damn lazy or unmotivated to take care of the issue properly imo. I have no issue with them fining, Roper if they felt it was warranted, I would argue that a man and his young child are really not the people they need to teach a lesson to though imo. Also just because a method of enforcing any rule or law works, doesn't make it a good method.
People know the rules, some honestly forget, others ignore them completely, when you get caught , you pay the fine , just like speeding in a vehicle some always think that the rules don,t apply to them and speed on most roadways, then complain when they are caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by ldub
Play by the rules as adults, teach your children the same and you're conscience if you have one won't bother you and you won't have to keep looking over your back .
To the original poster, I congratulate you for accepting the fact that what you did was wrong and payed the fine !
I totally agree jaycee, I was only arguing that fines shouldn't be handed out to send a message, they should be handed out consistently to anyone breaking the law, because they're breaking the law. Picking someone out of crowd to send a message is BS.
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Originally Posted by ldub
They weren't picked out of a crowd, the C.O.'S were just doing their job in checking them out, didn't comply with the rules, ticket was issued and they paid the fine admitting guilt.
Again I agree, I was originally responding to another members post. After Rereading the thread I see why there was some confusion, I was responding to the second post that read.
"Thanks for the public service announcement.
Some times good guys get nipped to get the message out that it is important too follow the rules https://www.oodmag.com/community/ima...lies/frown.png.
Kudos on you for not blaming the mean old CO's https://www.oodmag.com/community/ima...es/thumbup.png"
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Originally Posted by ldub
So what would you do to get the message out that its is important to follow all games laws not only the ones we pick and choose?Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Granted in this case its one of the most benign infraction possible but its done the job of getting a conversation going that there are consequences.
The old adage give someone an inch and they take a mile.
Left to our own devices we all get a little sloppy and/or complacent with the rules and the longer it goes uncorrected the worst it gets. Just look how bad it got in Port Hope and the fall fishery. Every once in a while they throw on a blitz for a little snap back
Again in my opinion this ticket wasn't issued to OP to exclusively punish him. It was for the rest of us to give thought should I follow the rules or pay the consequences.
The OP could of kept quite and the rest of us would of learned nothing hence the thanks for the public service announcement.
I would suggest having a forum of there own, on some of these popular fishing sites. They could do a little Q and A as well as informing people of some of the lesser known laws. A lot of us that have been fishing forever, have learned laws from various sources but I'm sure there are still some obscure laws that even avid fisherman don't know about or are confused about. When I talk to newbies about fishing they are completely oblivious to many of the laws.
They do its called the fishing guide in paper and on line. So if you got a newbie tell them to read cover to cover its all in there. Transport rules is not a lesser known rule. There is a 2 page spread even with pictures demonstrating proper and improper transport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ldub
In the end rules were not followed because it wasn't known, it wasn't followed just because. So again how do you get the masses to follow the rules inspite of themselves?
Education, Radio, Newspaper, Workshops, and Warnings. Warnings absolutely work, in fact in some cases I believe they work better. I know when I've had run ins with authorities in the past and got a warning do to the fact that I was honest, I left with way more respect for them, because I realized they could just have done their "JOB" and fined me, but instead did their "JOB" and realized a warning was sufficient. After I was warned I learned my lesson and was thankful I didn't get fined, and told people about my experience, and we all learned.
Agreed most times warnings are issued until what happens most often you get into a situation like this....if I feel like not following the rules what than. We are subject to blitzs all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ldub
Long weekend road blitz, ride checks at holidays, school zone safety days come sept and so forth.
At those times zero tolerance other times you might get off with a warning. Sometimes education isn't enough. If it was you wouldn't have newbies that are clueless.
here's a site if you are looking for education
http://mnrwatch.com/
Jaycee - I don't feel any guilt. Zero. The ministry is concerned with people catching fish out of season, and also keeping fish beyond the limit. I did neither of those things. My group probably threw back 40 picks. But a technicality says I transported fish illegally. The law is the law - so I pay. For me the worse thing that happened is 3 gorgeous fish will probably end up in the garbage. In the future I will do as many have suggested - leave the entire fillet on and remove it before cooking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
After hearing the story in full, I truly believe a warning would have been more then sufficient. imho.
Many years ago My Dad and a friend of his who was a CO took my brothers and I fishing for Landlock Salmon in NB at the Loch Lomond Lakes. My youngest brother was around 6 years old at the time. I remember when he caught that small Landlock as I knew the regulations quite well and said it looked undersized I think they had to be 14 inches this was about 13 inches. Dad's friend looked at my brother and asked him if it was his first Lanndlock it was. The CO looked at him and said "Sure looks like 14.5 inches to me". Just like a cop pulling someone over for speeding sometimes Discretion should be used. A fine is not always necessary.