Deer, Corn and Combines

I had a lengthy conversation yesterday with a fellow that does a lot of custom combining.
What he had to say was enough to get any one really pizzed off.

He has so far come across 7 dead deer and some remains of in corn fields that he is combining, 5 of those had broken legs he determined was caused by buck shot as he found evidence of buck shot wounds in the guts.
It really upsets him as he has to be very careful/watchful that he does not get them into the combine as it makes one big mess and down time involved, and costly repairs.
He also found a big 8 point buck tangled in a fence that it tried to jump but couldn,t due to a broken leg, it just struggled and died there from it,s wounds/broken leg,bleeding and starvation.
He claimed that as far as he could determine by what he saw , all these deer had been shot at with buck shot, he says he sees this every year after the controlled deer hunts .
This is very unfortunate as 7 unrecovered deer equals a possible seven others shot to make up for those , and there those are wondering why there is a lack of deer.
He said he expects to find more after this weeks hunt as there is a lot of corn still standing to be combined.

I will never use buckshot and I advise those I hunt with to use slugs as well for stories like this that I seem to hear all to often. That's sad.

These deer are getting wounded by guys dogging deer and trying to pump this running animal moving at full speed with buck shot and hoping to drop it. its like shooting one with a pellet gun. Its such an unethical and bs bullet/caliber however you want to call it. Really frustrates me hearing this. I hate knowing a poor animal is suffering. Granted, it may not be 100% this type of hunter but I've seen this before first hand and am just not a fan.

One reason I'm glad we can only use muzzleloaders in 92B. Buck-shot & shotguns are illegal for deer hunting in 92B!

It's always the shot and the gun, never the piss poor guy aiming the damn thing.

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Originally Posted by cantgetright

I will never use buckshot and I advise those I hunt with to use slugs as well for stories like this that I seem to hear all to often. That's sad.

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Absolutely, I've commented before that buckshot should be banned. But there are guys that will argue, in favour of ssgs. Why, I don't know.

They argue that ssg's are great cuz once they shot a deer at 100 yards and 1 lucky pellet got it in the head. very surprised they haven't been banned yet!!!!!!!!

Seems to be a local problem.. If that was the case all the farmers in southern Ontario would be finding the same thing.

Probably the same people thinking they know what they are doing. How far does your farmer go a few concessions. ? He is not going to be traveling 100 farms in 3 different counties.

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Originally Posted by steelee

They argue that ssg's are great cuz once they shot a deer at 100 yards and 1 lucky pellet got it in the head. very surprised they haven't been banned yet!!!!!!!!

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They are not meant to be used at that distance .. That's more than double what they are recommended for.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Seems to be a local problem.. If that was the case all the farmers in southern Ontario would be finding the same thing.

Probably the same people thinking they know what they are doing. How far does your farmer go a few concessions. ? He is not going to be traveling 100 farms in 3 different counties.

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His custom combing business takes him into three counties, it is definitely not just a local problem!

Shot a little doe with buckshot, killed her clean, found the blood trail after the fact, was clipped by 2 slugs in a previous drive and crossed a road, they could not find a blood trail, but I know, you gotta blame the ammo.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

His custom combing business takes him into three counties, it is definitely not just a local problem!

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Same wmu ?

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Originally Posted by cantgetright

I will never use buckshot and I advise those I hunt with to use slugs as well for stories like this that I seem to hear all to often. That's sad.

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I use buck shot for close range Coyotes when they're too close to zip 'em with a rifle,so,they DO have a place.

The shooters are people who hunt but not hunters....total different set of ethics

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Originally Posted by hockeymjt

The shooters are people who hunt but not hunters....total different set of ethics

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Well said.
Hopefully shooters will learn the difference. If you don't have a clear shot with a single projectile then don't shoot.

Sounds like a lot of BS to me.

This guy found all those dead deer due to buckshot but none due to slug, rifle or car.... What are the odds.......

And i don't use buckshot and never did.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

I had a lengthy conversation yesterday with a fellow that does a lot of custom combining.
What he had to say was enough to get any one really pizzed off.

He has so far come across 7 dead deer and some remains of in corn fields that he is combining, 5 of those had broken legs he determined was caused by buck shot as he found evidence of buck shot wounds in the guts.
It really upsets him as he has to be very careful/watchful that he does not get them into the combine as it makes one big mess and down time involved, and costly repairs.
He also found a big 8 point buck tangled in a fence that it tried to jump but couldn,t due to a broken leg, it just struggled and died there from it,s wounds/broken leg,bleeding and starvation.
He claimed that as far as he could determine by what he saw , all these deer had been shot at with buck shot, he says he sees this every year after the controlled deer hunts .
This is very unfortunate as 7 unrecovered deer equals a possible seven others shot to make up for those , and there those are wondering why there is a lack of deer.
He said he expects to find more after this weeks hunt as there is a lot of corn still standing to be combined.

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I would bet there's as many or more wounded deer by rifle hunters every year than shotgun hunters.
Some people just shouldn't be pulling the trigger at game.

I'm surprised the coyotes don't get to the deer before he preforms his Biopsy.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

I would bet there's as many or more wounded deer by rifle hunters every year than shotgun hunters.
Some people just shouldn't be pulling the trigger at game.

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That's so true but people get stuck on their way and that's that. No opening up to the other side . It's just their way and side and and nothing else matters. Most cant look at both sides of a problem a problem can only be one sided [emoji16][emoji57][emoji849]


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Originally Posted by canadaman30

I would bet there's as many or more wounded deer by rifle hunters every year than shotgun hunters.
Some people just shouldn't be pulling the trigger at game.

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That could very well be.

The farmer where I hunt finds deer once and awhile. If they are closer to the road he figures car hit. If closer to the bush then bad shot. He hunts controlled hunt, got a really big buck couple of years ago. It had been hit in the back leg with and arrow. The deer meat was all green and spoiled. It was the walking dead. They cut the antlers off and throw the rest away. So it not just buck shot, it is the shot of whatever. People making bad shots or shots they shouldn't be taking. Lost deer happen, but really shouldn't. I have been luck so far and have found all my deer.

I imagine there's a fair number of people who use buckshot for deer because they don't have anywhere to sight in for slugs, or are otherwise too lazy to bother.

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There are a ton of assumptions and very little factual verification going on here. Controlled hunts are made up ethical careful hunters and a lot of “one week wonders” who can’t shoot and dust off the old gun once a year. These same people wound tons of deer with buckshot, slugs, and muzzle loaders. Can’t just say “ban buckshot”. I’ve killed several deer cleanly with buckshot. I have lost a few with slugs, so unless you are perfect, be careful about being too quick to point fingers.

Sadly people shooting out of range for their buckshot just like those who do the same shooting out of range for ducks and geese. In all respect steel shot is not equal to lead so maybe hunting migratory game should be banned.

Buckshot has a max range of about 30 yards the same distance for ducks and geese. One place I hunted this year it would be impossible to shoot slugs.

I stated it few times already- MNRF should put kind of test in place for shooting skills(like many countries in Europe do).You hit what you need to hit-you get the tag for the year.If no-practice more.
And yes,they do test hitting running targets too- you are being scored for running shots also.........
There will always be a lost animal due of many issues arising-but this can be decreased a lot.

In NB You have to do a shooting test for your Moose Tag

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Originally Posted by gbk

I stated it few times already- MNRF should put kind of test in place for shooting skills(like many countries in Europe do).You hit what you need to hit-you get the tag for the year.If no-practice more.
And yes,they do test hitting running targets too- you are being scored for running shots also.........
There will always be a lost animal due of many issues arising-but this can be decreased a lot.

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OOD just had an article on buckshot and its effectiveness...

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Originally Posted by Splaker

OOD just had an article on buckshot and its effectiveness...

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They did, but they could not even write the article to align with their testing, a decent article until the conclusions did not match the evidence with regards to choke and pellet count for the loads used, but this has all been talked about in previous threads and Jaycee just wants to go at it again.

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Originally Posted by gbk

I stated it few times already- MNRF should put kind of test in place for shooting skills(like many countries in Europe do).You hit what you need to hit-you get the tag for the year.If no-practice more.
And yes,they do test hitting running targets too- you are being scored for running shots also.........
There will always be a lost animal due of many issues arising-but this can be decreased a lot.

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Lots of ranges would need to built and laws changed for hunters to practice on a regular and frequent basis before your proposal would ever be viable. Liberals would NEVER allow that. They're more into restricting ownership and hunting,not promoting it. That proposal will be dead in the water from the get-go. :rolleye:

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Lots of ranges would need to built and laws changed for hunters to practice on a regular and frequent basis before your proposal would ever be viable. Liberals would NEVER allow that. They're more into restricting ownership and hunting,not promoting it. That proposal will be dead in the water from the get-go. :rolleye:

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what are you talking about? there are shooting ranges all over Toronto ;)

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Originally Posted by Splaker

what are you talking about? there are shooting ranges all over Toronto ;)

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Yeah,don't get me started.LOL

I've harvested 5 deer, all with 00 buckshot, all immediately ethically downed within 15-25yrds. Nothing about archery arrows or bolts being banned? I've heard stories on the news about a live deer walking around with an arrow in the head? If someone takes an unethical risky shot out of range, is it the slug/buckshot's/arrow's fault? NO!

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Originally Posted by bush24

I've harvested 5 deer, all with 00 buckshot, all immediately ethically downed within 15-25yrds. Nothing about archery arrows or bolts being banned? I've heard stories on the news about a live deer walking around with an arrow in the head? If someone takes an unethical risky shot out of range, is it the slug/buckshot's/arrow's fault? NO!

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You are no fun, you have not attacked another hunter yet, how dare you make sense.

Slugs break legs too, and rifle rounds . . . I'm having issues with the original story.

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Originally Posted by toddy

Slugs break legs too, and rifle rounds . . . I'm having issues with the original story.

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I find it hard to believe that a busy custom combine operator takes the time to autopsy all of the deer he finds in the fields and that the coyotes don't eat any of them.

There is a farmer down around Startford I was chatting with during a hunt one year, he has stopped to take a number of deer from the field to the fence row or bush when combining, he suspected that they were all hit by cars, broken legs, hips, no controlled hunt early enough in that area for them to be shot during a legal hunt.

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Originally Posted by dilly

There are a ton of assumptions and very little factual verification going on here. Controlled hunts are made up ethical careful hunters and a lot of “one week wonders” who can’t shoot and dust off the old gun once a year. These same people wound tons of deer with buckshot, slugs, and muzzle loaders. Can’t just say “ban buckshot”. I’ve killed several deer cleanly with buckshot. I have lost a few with slugs, so unless you are perfect, be careful about being too quick to point fingers.

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Pretty sure the OP has claimed to have never lost a deer, so that would make him perfect I guess. It doesn’t explain why he’s echoing a combiner’s opinion though.

Here’s my problem with his opinion. If you’ve had the opportunity to track a wounded deer in the standing corn, you would know that retrieving fatally shot deer in standing corn is the easiest terrain to track and recover a deer in.

The soil is usually always soft for seeing tracks, no debris on the ground hiding blood drops.

The corn stocks will constantly agitate the wound, causing increased blood sign that can be easily spotted on the stocks while tracking.

I've killed 2 deer over the years that deliberately ran through the corn after the shot and I believe they only ran that way because they were in the corn and I was on the edge when I hit them.

One was a gut shot deer, I had to finish it off in the corn after waiting 4 hours for it to get too weak to flee. (the most successful way to recover a gut shot deer with a bow imo)

The other was a shoulder shot where the deer was able to get across the cornfield and drop 50 yards out of the corn on the other side. The ease as to tracking inside the corn as compared to outside the corn, was night and day.


It's been my experience that a wounded deer will avoid corn if they know they're being followed.

This story has to do with tracking ability not buckshot. I call the whole story BS.

Exactly. See/hear this way too often. Dogging deer and buckshot ends up wounding a ton of deer which are never recovered! SINGLE PROJECTILE!

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Originally Posted by fieldtrip

Absolutely, I've commented before that buckshot should be banned. But there are guys that will argue, in favour of ssgs. Why, I don't know.

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Should be banned for big game. Imo

Can we also then ban the shooting of slugs through smooth bores with no sight system and no knowledge of POI relative to POA? And archery shots over 30 yards. And running shots on big game, and the list goes on..... You can't legislate ethical or responsible behavior.

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Originally Posted by kk1

Should be banned for big game. Imo

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No need to repeat your opinion. 73 out of 74 of your bloody posts are calling for a ban on buckshot. Getting a little old dude...

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Originally Posted by be2man

Can we also then ban the shooting of slugs through smooth bores with no sight system and no knowledge of POI relative to POA? And archery shots over 30 yards. And running shots on big game, and the list goes on..... You can't legislate ethical or responsible behavior.

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Bingo! Pretty much nailed it.

Deer can get hit by cars too

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Originally Posted by jaycee

I had a lengthy conversation yesterday with a fellow that does a lot of custom combining.
What he had to say was enough to get any one really pizzed off.

He has so far come across 7 dead deer and some remains of in corn fields that he is combining, 5 of those had broken legs he determined was caused by buck shot as he found evidence of buck shot wounds in the guts.
It really upsets him as he has to be very careful/watchful that he does not get them into the combine as it makes one big mess and down time involved, and costly repairs.
He also found a big 8 point buck tangled in a fence that it tried to jump but couldn,t due to a broken leg, it just struggled and died there from it,s wounds/broken leg,bleeding and starvation.
He claimed that as far as he could determine by what he saw , all these deer had been shot at with buck shot, he says he sees this every year after the controlled deer hunts .
This is very unfortunate as 7 unrecovered deer equals a possible seven others shot to make up for those , and there those are wondering why there is a lack of deer.
He said he expects to find more after this weeks hunt as there is a lot of corn still standing to be combined.

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You know what,Jaycee,the more I think of what he told you,the more I think the guy was shooting you a line of shyte. I'd believe Coyote attacks ripping their haunches or bellies (that's how they attack) or vehicle hits,but,that many hunters hitting and missing Deer with buck shot and not retrieving the Deer,nope,sorry,I ain't buyin' it.

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Originally Posted by dilly

No need to repeat your opinion. 73 out of 74 of your bloody posts are calling for a ban on buckshot. Getting a little old dude...

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Someone else's thread! Simply agreeing with many others who share the same views! Think about it???

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Originally Posted by kk1

Someone else's thread! Simply agreeing with many others who share the same views! Think about it???

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What is your ideal firearm and round? I bet there is lots of evidence to show that it can be used improperly and wound game without recovery.

I think that there are a pile of guys that have an opinion based on improper use, the same as the guys who say a 30-30 cannot kill a moose or that dogs should be illegal, that large groups driving game should be illegal, etc.

I hope you enjoy attacking other hunters for legal and perfectly ethical practices.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

You know what,Jaycee,the more I think of what he told you,the more I think the guy was shooting you a line of shyte. I'd believe Coyote attacks ripping their haunches or bellies (that's how they attack) or vehicle hits,but,that many hunters hitting and missing Deer with buck shot and not retrieving the Deer,nope,sorry,I ain't buyin' it.

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Buy it or not ?? that/s up to you!
As far as what he told me, why and for what reason would he have to make up stories and lie???
I have known him for about 40 years, very honest, a man of integrity, which is lost on a few here.

Why don't you give me the particulars of your name and address, which I will pass on to him and you can tell him face to face yourself that he is full of shyte!!!:):)
He does travel around quite a bit so he no doubt would drop in on you.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Buy it or not ?? that/s up to you!
As far as what he told me, why and for what reason would he have to make up stories and lie???
I have known him for about 40 years, very honest, a man of integrity, which is lost on a few here.

Why don't you give me the particulars of your name and address, which I will pass on to him and you can tell him face to face yourself that he is full of shyte!!!:):)
He does travel around quite a bit so he no doubt would drop in on you.

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How about you give me his name and address and I'll contact him.

I have noticed that the Anti buck shot crowd has nothing against bows but deer are seen with arrows sticking out of them. You also sound just like an Anti gun person who says a gun killed someone ban all guns. You actually do sound like that.

Tell me if I shoot at a deer 100 yards away with a bow think it's going to be a good hit, that deer will walk around with an arrow in it for a while same as a buckshot deer???

Buckshot works when used at the correct distance.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Lots of ranges would need to built and laws changed for hunters to practice on a regular and frequent basis before your proposal would ever be viable. Liberals would NEVER allow that. They're more into restricting ownership and hunting,not promoting it. That proposal will be dead in the water from the get-go. :rolleye:

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While i agree with the comment about our current Governement being "not supportive" of hunting etc....i still think what i mentioned would be a proper way of improving shooting skills of the general hunting population.Ranges are not needed for many shooters today-they could practice wherever is legal(as they do it as we speak),but would need to do a test at some proper place.We have still enough Clubs and ranges they would probably happily participate in testing(of course for some $...but nothing is free nowadays)

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Originally Posted by gbk

While i agree with the comment about our current Governement being "not supportive" of hunting etc....i still think what i mentioned would be a proper way of improving shooting skills of the general hunting population.Ranges are not needed for many shooters today-they could practice wherever is legal(as they do it as we speak),but would need to do a test at some proper place.We have still enough Clubs and ranges they would probably happily participate in testing(of course for some $...but nothing is free nowadays)

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I agree,in principle,that everyone can gain from a few rounds of target practice periodically,but,in practicality,it would be exceedingly difficult to do any shooting outside a certified range (of which there's very few,at least,in southern Ontario where 75% of all hunters live) with long waiting lists to get in. I really don't think we need to be giving Liberal leftist governments anything else to beat us over the head with,either. If every hunter had to "qualify" with several different firearms every season and were restricted to where they could take the tests,I shudder to think of the horrendous added costs,government bureaucracy and aggravation that would be created. That would be the death knell for all hunting in this province except for the uber rich like it is in Europe. :(

WOW, this thread is all over the place, with individuals getting personal with one another,
A buddies father hunted with buc shot and let me tell you every time he made contact with a deer it was a horror story. Now was it buc shot or the shooter.
3 deer, at least 2 hours after being hit, were found still alive and had to have the throats cut. In MY OPINION, this is not ethical, it is not paying any respect to the animal at all, to have an animal suffer like that. He lost 2 deer, on one occasion he said he hit it in the leg and it ran to the swamp and said no sense going after we would never find it. I, on my own, found the deer bedded down some 500 yards away and finished off with a slug. That was the last time I hunted guns with them, ( I no longer hunt with them due to Tresspassing issues, another story) .
My point is, I do not think that it is necessarily the amo we chose to use, it is in the way we use it. I have lost 2 deer, arrow and 1 bear shotgun, ssg slug, in my life. One deer was for sure my fault, the arrow hit a small twig deflected, hit the deer in the leg, tracked the deer for 4 hours, two days later someone had taken the deer with shotgun and halve the arrow was still in the front leg, the other was a perfect shot, found the arrow, was using a rage mechanical, one of the blades never opened. good blood trail for approx. 100 yards, then nothing. Next day found deer, 30 yards behind stand taken by coyotes. I practised all year round and am very proud of my ethics. The bear was shot a little too far back, tracked for about 80 yards to find the bear deep in a den and was told not to go in and retrieve the beer.
My point is, that, again this is MY OPINION only, we have hunters who practise regular, site in constantly, make good judgement shots and then we have people that take out the weapon of choice once/twice a year and go hunting, doesn't make them hunters. I said before a totally different set of ethics. It goes to WHY DO YOU HUNT in the first place.

Would I shoot any shot choice at a running deer, NO, why, I cant practise shooting at moving targets. Do I shoot beyond my ability, NO, have too much respect or the animal. Do I make bad shots, YES. If an arrow hits a twig, that's on me, it happens, but its still on me.

Whether what the man had said is right or wrong is not the point, I would bet if they could do an air search of all hunted land, there would be an awful lot of unclaimed dead animals out there. and I am willing to bet the numbers are drastically increased after a rifle/controlled hunt.

I have never ever used buc shot, not sure what its purpose on a large animal is. Is it to slow down a moving animal or to kill the animal, I know some have mixed in the barrel, buc shot/slug/buckshot. will shoot 1st with buc shot, finish with slug.

If you respect the animal you are hunting, you make sure your equipment is in good working order, you practice, practice, you choice your shot wisely and you do your upmost best to retrieve the animal, then at the end of the day, when you close your eyes, you can sleep with a clear conscious,
Again, its all back to the individuals ethics.

Again, IN MY OPINION>

Agree with above. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone’s experience and abilities vary. I can tolerate people voicing their opinion once or twice. It makes for conversation. At no time did you call for a ban on anything or let emotions drive your point, and that’s something I respect.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

You know what,Jaycee,the more I think of what he told you,the more I think the guy was shooting you a line of shyte. I'd believe Coyote attacks ripping their haunches or bellies (that's how they attack) or vehicle hits,but,that many hunters hitting and missing Deer with buck shot and not retrieving the Deer,nope,sorry,I ain't buyin' it.

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I am not buying it neither,I mean we had jaycee on here saying that 00 Buck was a prefered round to use on wounded African Lions and now he,s telling us its a bad idea to use it on deer.I dropped my very first deer a doe years ago with a single round of 00 Buck at 35 yards broadside.The 12ga Remmington 870 was my
only gun at the time and it did the job.But I personally would not use it again,heard way to many accounts of wounded deer.I am also not a big fan of bows as we also get the accounts on here every year of wounded deer being lost.I guess it all boils down to experience,some people myself included have a limited skill set with a limited number of firearms.There are lots of guys/gals who probably drop deer every season with a crossbow,track it and recover it.But there are probably lots who buy a crossbow,don,t practice,don,t know how to track (are afraid in the bush) and the deer is left to suffer and die.

Well if you're going to accuse a group of hunters of wasting deer on a hunting forum, with little evidence, you can expect some blowback.
If the underlying intent of the story is to paint Buckshot as inferior, then claiming Buckshot for being responsible for 7 fatally shot deer in the corn, not just 7 wounded deer, 7 fatally shot deer, would be a pizz poor example of it.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I am not buying it neither,I mean we had jaycee on here saying that 00 Buck was a prefered round to use on wounded African Lions and now he,s telling us its a bad idea to use it on deer.I dropped my very first deer a doe years ago with a single round of 00 Buck at 35 yards broadside.The 12ga Remmington 870 was my
only gun at the time and it did the job.But I personally would not use it again,heard way to many accounts of wounded deer.I am also not a big fan of bows as we also get the accounts on here every year of wounded deer being lost.I guess it all boils down to experience,some people myself included have a limited skill set with a limited number of firearms.There are lots of guys/gals who probably drop deer every season with a crossbow,track it and recover it.But there are probably lots who buy a crossbow,don,t practice,don,t know how to track (are afraid in the bush) and the deer is left to suffer and die.

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Also Leopards, and need I remind you that these are Professional Hunters, and it is done at close range!
Why don't you do some reading and find out for yourself.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Also Leopards, and need I remind you that these are Professional Hunters, and it is done at close range!
Why don't you do some reading and find out for yourself.

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Jaycee I already posted my links to you on the opposite view point by Professional Hunters I have no idea why you would no read the link.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...us-game.28100/

[COLOR=#333333]LG (OOOBuck) buckshot and even .458 Winchester ‘Lion Load’ have been repeatedly documented as failing to penetrate the massive chest muscles of a charging lion. 9" of hard, sinewy, tensed muscle is a difficult challenge to any bullet. It is the other ‘animal’ that makes lion hunting sport. Make a mistake and the ‘role’ of hunter and hunted can quickly become reversed.

Ref:https://www.norma.cc/en/About-Norma/About-Hunting/Plains-game-hunting/hunting-lion/

[COLOR=#141414]A .375 is adequate for lion and , if you plan on doing any other hunting , as most hunters do , it will work for your plains game species also. Scope it with a low power variable scope and shoot premium grade bonded bullets , Barnes X's( triple shocks ) or CEB's.
[COLOR=#141414]A shotgun with slugs will certainly kill a lion. It is however illegal and not practical. A shotgun with buckshot will certainly get you killed ( on lion or leopard ).

Ref:https://www.africahunting.com/threads/which-rifle-for-lion.12392/

[QUOTE=Gilroy;1074957]Jaycee I already posted my links to you on the opposite view point by Professional Hunters I have no idea why you would no read the link.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...us-game.28100/

[COLOR=#333333]LG (OOOBuck) buckshot and even .458 Winchester ‘Lion Load’ have been repeatedly documented as failing to penetrate the massive chest muscles of a charging lion. 9" of hard, sinewy, tensed muscle is a difficult challenge to any bullet. It is the other ‘animal’ that makes lion hunting sport. Make a mistake and the ‘role’ of hunter and hunted can quickly become reversed.

Ref:https://www.norma.cc/en/About-Norma/About-Hunting/Plains-game-hunting/hunting-lion/

[COLOR=#141414]A .375 is adequate for lion and , if you plan on doing any other hunting , as most hunters do , it will work for your plains game species also. Scope it with a low power variable scope and shoot premium grade bonded bullets , Barnes X's( triple shocks ) or CEB's.
[COLOR=#141414]A shotgun with slugs will certainly kill a lion. It is however illegal and not practical. A shotgun with buckshot will certainly get you killed ( on lion or leopard ).

Ref:https://www.africahunting.com/threads/which-rifle-for-lion.12392/[/QUOTE

Yet others differ.
Take your meds. and go back to bed.
Your 4 A rating is being kept up I see.

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Originally Posted by Fox

What is your ideal firearm and round? I bet there is lots of evidence to show that it can be used improperly and wound game without recovery.

I think that there are a pile of guys that have an opinion based on improper use, the same as the guys who say a 30-30 cannot kill a moose or that dogs should be illegal, that large groups driving game should be illegal, etc.

I hope you enjoy attacking other hunters for legal and perfectly ethical practices.

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Ethical? Lol! I'm sure about 10% of hunters use buckshot effectively. I've been around a while and seen some horrible situations. Bottum line is a single projectile is the best way for a quick humane kill!

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Ethical? Lol! I'm sure about 10% of hunters use buckshot effectively. I've been around a while and seen some horrible situations. Bottum line is a single projectile is the best way for a quick humane kill!

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Not if your a bad shot or dont know the limitations of your ammunition. Loads of deer are wounded by rifles, dont kid yourself. Has absolutely nothing to do with the ammo.

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Ethical? Lol! I'm sure about 10% of hunters use buckshot effectively. I've been around a while and seen some horrible situations. Bottum line is a single projectile is the best way for a quick humane kill!

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Omg don't you ever shut up. We've all heard your opinion far too many times now. Now you seem to know how all the hunters in the world use buckshot, you sure do get around eh. For gods sake it's only your opinion, others may have different ones you know, it doesn't mean you're the only one who's right, even though you think it is. Yea we know you've been around for a while now, but so have many others here, but of course if they don't agree with you then they are all wrong.
Not that you'd care I'm sure, but I've only ever blocked one member here, it was an easy decision and fortunately for everyone here he hardly posts anymore. You on the other hand are rapidly rising to that status, about all I ever see you posting is belittling other hunters, certainly not any positive contributions to this forum.

Jaycee,

Sooo your saying on one hand white tailed deer are being wounded by 00 buckshot and you farmer friend is upset:

"I had a lengthy conversation yesterday with a fellow that does a lot of custom combining.
What he had to say was enough to get any one really pizzed off.

He has so far come across 7 dead deer and some remains of in corn fields that he is combining, 5 of those had broken legs he determined was caused by buck shot as he found evidence of buck shot wounds in the guts.
It really upsets him as he has to be very careful/watchful that he does not get them into the combine as it makes one big mess and down time involved, and costly repairs.
He also found a big 8 point buck tangled in a fence that it tried to jump but couldn,t due to a broken leg, it just struggled and died there from it,s wounds/broken leg,bleeding and starvation.
He claimed that as far as he could determine by what he saw , all these deer had been shot at with buck shot, he says he sees this every year after the controlled deer hunts .
This is very unfortunate as 7 unrecovered deer equals a possible seven others shot to make up for those , and there those are wondering why there is a lack of deer.
He said he expects to find more after this weeks hunt as there is a lot of corn still standing to be combined."

But in the same breath you believe firmly that 00 Buckshot is a reliable round when trying to finish off a 400lb wounded African lion.LOL

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Ethical? Lol! I'm sure about 10% of hunters use buckshot effectively. I've been around a while and seen some horrible situations. Bottum line is a single projectile is the best way for a quick humane kill!

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Give it a rest. I’m sick of your boring repetitive posts. And bottom is not spelled bottum....

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Should be banned for big game. Imo

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We should probably ban anything that has ever wounded a deer; cars, bows, rifles.... nope, wait..... best just to ban people!

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We should probably ban anything that has ever wounded a deer; cars, bows, rifles.... nope, wait..... best just to ban people!

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Just the really stupid ones like the one you quoted!




Jaycee, your usually fairly close to real world results around this place but this thread is just out there, can’t say I believe one word you wrote...........makes me wonder if snowwalker had taken over your account for a day?????

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Give it a rest. I’m sick of your boring repetitive posts. And bottom is not spelled bottum....

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Did not know it was all about you!

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Did not know it was all about you!

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No he was speaking for several of us.........now hopefully he speaks on our behalf about you and how you only show up for the arguments.............how bout you go do some fishing..........oh wait I forgot all you know how to do is troll..........tough to troll on frozen lakes so might as well do it on the forum.............

I am here often, but I see who tries to control this site, try to shut down others from speaking. and I can't be bothered entering discussions with closed minded individuals.

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I politely and not so politely told him enough already. Just like in face to face encounters, sometimes it needs to be said. Besides, spelling errors really get me riled up.

YOU told him.... So what....I did not know you were in charge.

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YOU told him.... So what....I did not know you were in charge.

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Easy fella....I have no quarrel with you...unless you want to repeatedly post over 20 times that buckshot should be banned because YOU alone think so.

or should I defer to you because of your massive post count?

No quarrel with you personally, I just don't like people telling others to shut up. You do not want to read his comments, just block him.

I have contributed to the discussion of buck shot, and perhaps have maybe started it, however my thought process is, if hunting deer you shouldn't be shooting at them when running or if you don't have a clear shot therefore ssgs are unnecessary. Buckshot simply provides a hail Mary approach to some, it's almost a close your eyes and hope for the best situation.
I'm know this will tick off some people but that's my opinion on ethical hunting.

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if hunting deer you shouldn't be shooting at them when running or if you don't have a clear shot therefore ssgs are unnecessary. Buckshot simply provides a hail Mary approach to some

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By your comment hunting with dogs is no longer ethical. So no shooting running deer, what about flying ducks?

Perhaps we should nicely ask the deer to walk to the slaughterhouse so we can be sure of getting him.

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Give it a rest. I’m sick of your boring repetitive posts. And bottom is not spelled bottum....

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Be sick of whatever you want. I really don't care. Does promoting a quick humane kill bother you! Obiously many of you couldn't care a less about this. You missed a deer and shot one last week! You know when you miss or connect with a single projectile almost always! Can you say the same for buckshot? No way! To me wounding and not recovering an animal is an absolute horrible thing which is almost always avoidable if your patient and pick your shots. Keep spraying and praying. You all know deep down how many deer are left to die, never being recovered due to buckshot!

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I have contributed to the discussion of buck shot, and perhaps have maybe started it, however my thought process is, if hunting deer you shouldn't be shooting at them when running or if you don't have a clear shot therefore ssgs are unnecessary. Buckshot simply provides a hail Mary approach to some, it's almost a close your eyes and hope for the best situation.
I'm know this will tick off some people but that's my opinion on ethical hunting.

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Be sick of whatever you want. I really don't care. Does promoting a quick humane kill bother you! Obiously many of you couldn't care a less about this. You missed a deer and shot one last week! You know when you miss or connect with a single projectile almost always! Can you say the same for buckshot? No way! To me wounding and not recovering an animal is an absolute horrible thing which is almost always avoidable if your patient and pick your shots. Keep spraying and praying. You all know deep down how many deer are left to die, never being recovered due to buckshot!

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A bow does not permit a quick kill essentially the animal dies a slow death

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A bow does not permit a quick kill essentially the animal dies a slow death

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Not if hit correctly. Double lunged deer most times are dead in less than 15 seconds.

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Not if hit correctly. Double lunged deer most times are dead in less than 15 seconds.

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Guaranteed every single time regardless of distance. I don't think so. No different than buckshot no matter how you slice and dice.

Huge difference. Again SINGLE PROJECTILE! If its double lunged its going down! No difference in 8-9 pellets you scatter with no control over than a single razor sharp hardened blade. Really?

You have not shot buckshot into a target at 30 yards. The same mistakes can be easily be made with a bow and regularly do.

I will never use buckshot. I’ve seen the wounded unrecovered deer, not to mention the meat loss due to shot damage. If someone keeps their shots to 30 yds, which most do not, a clean kill is pretty much assured. However, meat loss for me is a big concern.

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I have contributed to the discussion of buck shot, and perhaps have maybe started it, however my thought process is, if hunting deer you shouldn't be shooting at them when running or if you don't have a clear shot therefore ssgs are unnecessary. Buckshot simply provides a hail Mary approach to some, it's almost a close your eyes and hope for the best situation.
I'm know this will tick off some people but that's my opinion on ethical hunting.

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Why shouldn't one shoot at running deer? I've shot running deer with both shotgun and rifle. I don't understand what your talking about, explain please?

Does every single bow hunter in Ontario keep his shot in range?

At our hunt camp we have 5 'doggers', pushing deer towards 10,-12 'standers', all deer shot , are running. Even those shot by the 'doggers'.

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You have not shot buckshot into a target at 30 yards. The same mistakes can be easily be made with a bow and regularly do.

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Again SINGLE PROJECTILE. Not a bunch of smaller ones with way less energy. Not to mention no 2 buckshot loads will pattern the same. Not into maybes or playing a guessing game. Clean kills!

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Again SINGLE PROJECTILE. Not a bunch of smaller ones with way less energy. Not to mention no 2 buckshot loads will pattern the same. Not into maybes or playing a guessing game. Clean kills!

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Ok, so grab a box of slugs that you have never shot and go out as if you will hit the deer with every shot, this is what you are assuming the buckshot shooting is doing, hear how stupid it sounds?

ANY ROUND CAN AND WILL WORK EFFICIENTLY IF USED WITHIN IT'S PROPER APPLICATION.

You do not use a hammer to put in a screw, you do not use buckshot for 100 shots but yes there are a couple idiots who will use a hammer to put in screws.

Jaycee has 9+ pages going because of a lie, no way would a guy running a combine who has to stop to pull a deer out of a field and autopsy it to determine if it was buckshot, a car, crossbow, compounds bow, what broadhead used, etc, this story is garbage.

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Ok, so grab a box of slugs that you have never shot and go out as if you will hit the deer with every shot, this is what you are assuming the buckshot shooting is doing, hear how stupid it sounds?

ANY ROUND CAN AND WILL WORK EFFICIENTLY IF USED WITHIN IT'S PROPER APPLICATION.

You do not use a hammer to put in a screw, you do not use buckshot for 100 shots but yes there are a couple idiots who will use a hammer to put in screws.

Jaycee has 9+ pages going because of a lie, no way would a guy running a combine who has to stop to pull a deer out of a field and autopsy it to determine if it was buckshot, a car, crossbow, compounds bow, what broadhead used, etc, this story is garbage.

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Where do you get me having 9 pages, out of my 5 posts to your multiples ???, boy, do you ever have a problem when even someone else other than I disagrees with what you think you know , there must be something in the water in eastern On.

Again, ??? why would he make up stories and lie ??? , what would he have to gain by doing so?
He has been around for many years and sees this quite often, he is not noted to be a bull shipper as some on here that know it all with their limited experience.
Buckshot wounds are quite easily determined, single small festering holes.
If hit by a vehicle , massive bruising and broken bones.
A cross bow bolt , or arrow wound is also easily determined.
The only garbage here comes from your limited knowledge.
Would you want to say this is garbage , face to face with this man, we can arrange it .

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Ok, so grab a box of slugs that you have never shot and go out as if you will hit the deer with every shot, this is what you are assuming the buckshot shooting is doing, hear how stupid it sounds?

ANY ROUND CAN AND WILL WORK EFFICIENTLY IF USED WITHIN IT'S PROPER APPLICATION.

You do not use a hammer to put in a screw, you do not use buckshot for 100 shots but yes there are a couple idiots who will use a hammer to put in screws.

Jaycee has 9+ pages going because of a lie, no way would a guy running a combine who has to stop to pull a deer out of a field and autopsy it to determine if it was buckshot, a car, crossbow, compounds bow, what broadhead used, etc, this story is garbage.

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I know my gun. I know where my bullet is going.i pick my shots and will not take risks. I guess I'm too ethical for some around here. You know as well as I do how many deer are wounded because of it. Sure deer are wounded by slugs/rifles. Odds are much higher in recovering them. Always a better blood trail. Many assume a clean miss with buckshot. This seldom happens. It seems I find pellets in every 2nd or 3rd deer I butcher.

C'mon ice......keep building. We need more ice fishing stories and pics and less Dr farmers doing autopsies and 3rd party stories. The Hunters bashing hunters program is working well. I missed 7 deer this year with buckshot, but it doesn't count, cause' I shoot from the hip, it feels way cooler.

Fox,

Jaycee has 9+ pages going because of a lie, no way would a guy running a combine who has to stop to pull a deer out of a field and autopsy it to determine if it was buckshot, a car, crossbow, compounds bow, what broadhead used, etc, this story is garbage.[/QUOTE]

The problem as I see it is that Jaycee actually believes the story and will print it as factual,just like he believes 00Buck is a good back up round for killing a wounded African Lion, because its on some African Safaris web sites.The same info is available on other websites that hunting a wounded African Lion with 00 Buck is a very bad idea.But that is not going to change his mind,so on one hand he is mad at hunters using 00 Buck on small Whitailed Deer,but thinks is perfectly normal to use it to finish of a wounded and very dangerous African Lion.Talk about common sense going out the window.

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I know my gun. I know where my bullet is going.i pick my shots and will not take risks. I guess I'm too ethical for some around here. You know as well as I do how many deer are wounded because of it. Sure deer are wounded by slugs/rifles. Odds are much higher in recovering them. Always a better blood trail. Many assume a clean miss with buckshot. This seldom happens. It seems I find pellets in every 2nd or 3rd deer I butcher.

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If you are assuming a clean miss you should not be in the woods, you need to follow up every single shot.

The deer I shot this year, 303 Brit, 25 yards away, quartering away hard, bullet entered the back ribs, took out the liver, one lung, the heart exited the chest and lodged in the off side knee, no blood at all, I watched it run and die, if you were only looking for blood you would have no idea you hit it or not.

You say you know your gun, great, you should, but just because a guy is using buckshot does not define that they do not know their gun any differently than when a guy is asked what he shoots in a 30-06 he simply says 180gr, this means nothing.

There are tons and tons of deer shot in the legs every single year with rifles and shotgun slugs, give your head a shake, these deer are not recovered, the odds of a deer having a front leg blown off by a shotgun slug or rifle round does not give it higher odds of recovery and anyone saying that has no clue what they are talking about.

You do what you want to do but get your head out of your ***, you know as well as I do that deer are wounded by people who do not know their firearm and where it shoots, this is totally independent of that that firearm is shooting.

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If you are assuming a clean miss you should not be in the woods, you need to follow up every single shot.

The deer I shot this year, 303 Brit, 25 yards away, quartering away hard, bullet entered the back ribs, took out the liver, one lung, the heart exited the chest and lodged in the off side knee, no blood at all, I watched it run and die, if you were only looking for blood you would have no idea you hit it or not.

You say you know your gun, great, you should, but just because a guy is using buckshot does not define that they do not know their gun any differently than when a guy is asked what he shoots in a 30-06 he simply says 180gr, this means nothing.

There are tons and tons of deer shot in the legs every single year with rifles and shotgun slugs, give your head a shake, these deer are not recovered, the odds of a deer having a front leg blown off by a shotgun slug or rifle round does not give it higher odds of recovery and anyone saying that has no clue what they are talking about.

You do what you want to do but get your head out of your ***, you know as well as I do that deer are wounded by people who do not know their firearm and where it shoots, this is totally independent of that that firearm is shooting.

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I'm talking about an animal hit in the body obiously. Love how you used that leg thing and ran with it! Funny how I have never found an old slug in any deer ive butchered. If you think slugs wound as many deer as buckshot (tons and tons lol) you need to pull your head out of your ! Read some of the other stories in this thread. I know 1 person who uses buckshot out of 20 or so guys I know because there are much better tools available. Especially with today's rifled barrels and sabots. Why would you limit yourself to such short distances. As for the blood trail comment. We always hunt from stands. Exit hole is lower than the entrance almost always producing some sort of blood! If not we do a grid search.

2 years ago I shot a buck with my crossbow I found a slug in a bucks back strap. It was a gross green mess around the bullet!! :(

Slugs cause more meat loss than buckshot.
Buckshot holes are almost impossible to see on a deer unless they are skinned.
What does me missing a deer this week with my MZ have to do with this ridiculous debate?
KK1, once you answer these questions, I am blocking you. I think you are ill informed.

I think I may have posted this in an older thread on the same subject,but,some years ago, while skinning out a deer to ready for the butcher, I peeled the hide down to the head and found 6 "ooo" pellets just under the hide behind the front shoulder and into the brisket area. They were in about a 8" pattern not deep enough to destroy meat and the hide had healed over. I'm not sure how this could happen unless someone took a long distance shot or a load they were using was weak. I've not seen anything like that,since. Weird for sure. I like using sabot slugs rather than buck shot. With sabot slugs and a rifled barrel inside 50 yds,if you hit the deer in the vitals,they go down fairly quickly. If there's any doubt,at all,I just won't take the shot.

I take careful shot with buckshot and know my range when used correctly it works great. It is the person behind the trigger that matters. I don't care what your shooting however if you take a bad shot or out of range you will either miss or wound. You continuously state over and over again that only buckshot is bad. Put a bow in that same person hand who screwed up with buckshot and they will screw up with buckshot. Contrary to your belief many deer are wounded every year with bows.

I would say you butcher for a lot of very bad hunters who cannot estimate difference. I have seem many people who cannot tell the difference between 30 yards and 50 yards. Seen people who though my back yard was 200 yards but it's only 100 (I know I measured it and it also says the distance on my survey papers). Seen people shoot at geese that were at least 100 yards up and they thought it was only 50 (Still to far, I only shoot at geese 30 and under).

A 30-30 is not practical for 300 + yard shots at Moose let alone deer yet people still do it. As I said it is all about the person behind the trigger.

My uncle can hit a deer on the run and do it over and over and over again every time but I won't take a shot like that as I know my capabilities. A good friend of mine can spin our bow target and hit it at 20 yards. I have seen guy's on here brag they shot a deer are 100 yards with their bow if they did in my opinion not a good idea.

is buckshot lethal? Get yourself a target and shoot it.

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I know my gun. I know where my bullet is going.i pick my shots and will not take risks. I guess I'm too ethical for some around here. You know as well as I do how many deer are wounded because of it. Sure deer are wounded by slugs/rifles. Odds are much higher in recovering them. Always a better blood trail. Many assume a clean miss with buckshot. This seldom happens. It seems I find pellets in every 2nd or 3rd deer I butcher.

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Did you read the story by Out of Doors on buckshot. He was shooting at 60, personally I feel it is only suited for 30 much like a bow. I hope you don't shoot your bow at a deer over 30. Personally I would use buckshot vs a bow. To much suffering for the majority of deer shot with a bow and I like humane shots so I use slugs (slug gun) and buckshot.

Actually buckshot is extremely popular in Easter Ontario.

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I'm talking about an animal hit in the body obiously. Love how you used that leg thing and ran with it! Funny how I have never found an old slug in any deer ive butchered. If you think slugs wound as many deer as buckshot (tons and tons lol) you need to pull your head out of your ! Read some of the other stories in this thread. I know 1 person who uses buckshot out of 20 or so guys I know because there are much better tools available. Especially with today's rifled barrels and sabots. Why would you limit yourself to such short distances. As for the blood trail comment. We always hunt from stands. Exit hole is lower than the entrance almost always producing some sort of blood! If not we do a grid search.

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2 years ago I shot a buck with my crossbow I found a slug in a bucks back strap. It was a gross green mess around the bullet!! :(

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Surprising it didnt go thru. That must have been disapointing. Did u toss both straps?

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Slugs cause more meat loss than buckshot.
Buckshot holes are almost impossible to see on a deer unless they are skinned.
What does me missing a deer this week with my MZ have to do with this ridiculous debate?
KK1, once you answer these questions, I am blocking you. I think you are ill informed.

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That has not been the case in my considerable experience. I’ve skinned a lot of buckshot deer. Meat loss was considerable.
As far as buckshot holes not visible unless the deer is skinned.....well, that’s the problem, very little blood trail with a lethal hit. I’ve seen deer hit with very little blood, only a drop or two, and because the hunter was experienced tracker, recovered it over 300 yds away. One pellet in the lung.
Most guys would have given up on the recovery. Any slug wounds are obviously very large with heavy blood loss.
But then, I can only go by personal experience in actual hunting scenarios, as opposed to shooting at a target !!

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Slugs cause more meat loss than buckshot.
Buckshot holes are almost impossible to see on a deer unless they are skinned.
What does me missing a deer this week with my MZ have to do with this ridiculous debate?
KK1, once you answer these questions, I am blocking you. I think you are ill informed.

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Yeah a hole lot of wib meet waisted! At least you know you missed that deer. Thats my point! Do you really know if you've missed with buckshot?? No 2 patterns are the same. Please block me. You seem to think your the boss anyway. Btw nice deer.

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I think I may have posted this in an older thread on the same subject,but,some years ago, while skinning out a deer to ready for the butcher, I peeled the hide down to the head and found 6 "ooo" pellets just under the hide behind the front shoulder and into the brisket area. They were in about a 8" pattern not deep enough to destroy meat and the hide had healed over. I'm not sure how this could happen unless someone took a long distance shot or a load they were using was weak. I've not seen anything like that,since. Weird for sure. I like using sabot slugs rather than buck shot. With sabot slugs and a rifled barrel inside 50 yds,if you hit the deer in the vitals,they go down fairly quickly. If there's any doubt,at all,I just won't take the shot.

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Years ago I arrowed a big 8. He had one eye shot out, a 00 buckshot in his neck up against the spine close to his scull, and on pellet in his neck lower down, and one pellet that was flattened out on his snout beneath the hide. All were obviously from the previous year or longer. Good thing though because he came in on his blind side...

If you shoot max 30 yards you will kill the deer with buckshot. Plain and simple.

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Yeah a hole lot of wib meet waisted! At least you know you missed that deer. Thats my point! Do you really know if you've missed with buckshot?? No 2 patterns are the same. Please block me. You seem to think your the boss anyway. Btw nice deer.

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Yeah a hole lot of wib meet waisted! At least you know you missed that deer. Thats my point! Do you really know if you've missed with buckshot?? No 2 patterns are the same. Please block me. You seem to think your the boss anyway.

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That has not been the case in my considerable experience. I’ve skinned a lot of buckshot deer. Meat loss was considerable.
As far as buckshot holes not visible unless the deer is skinned.....well, that’s the problem, very little blood trail with a lethal hit. I’ve seen deer hit with very little blood, only a drop or two, and because the hunter was experienced tracker, recovered it over 300 yds away. One pellet in the lung.
Most guys would have given up on the recovery. Any slug wounds are obviously very large with heavy blood loss.
But then, I can only go by personal experience in actual hunting scenarios, as opposed to shooting at a target !!

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I don’t disagree with you Rick about they being tough to track. When I refer to less meat loss, I speak from my application of buckshot. I shoot for head and neck at close range and when hit, they go right down. Rear hits or shoulder hits by slugs I have shot were devastating to the deer and the meat yield. I still use them depending on the application however. Know your weapon, know it’s best application, be safe and responsible. Glad your buddy made that long recovery.

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Fox,

Jaycee has 9+ pages going because of a lie, no way would a guy running a combine who has to stop to pull a deer out of a field and autopsy it to determine if it was buckshot, a car, crossbow, compounds bow, what broadhead used, etc, this story is garbage.

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The problem as I see it is that Jaycee actually believes the story and will print it as factual,just like he believes 00Buck is a good back up round for killing a wounded African Lion, because its on some African Safaris web sites.The same info is available on other websites that hunting a wounded African Lion with 00 Buck is a very bad idea.But that is not going to change his mind,so on one hand he is mad at hunters using 00 Buck on small Whitailed Deer,but thinks is perfectly normal to use it to finish of a wounded and very dangerous African Lion.Talk about common sense going out the window.[/QUOTE]

I believe in people that have never lied to me, you on the other hand???
Your repeating yourself over and over again.
Polly want a cracker?? I have a box of them for you.
Your care giver must have lost sight of you again. :D

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I don’t disagree with you Rick about they being tough to track. When I refer to less meat loss, I speak from my application of buckshot. I shoot for head and neck at close range and when hit, they go right down. Rear hits or shoulder hits by slugs I have shot were devastating to the deer and the meat yield. I still use them depending on the application however. Know your weapon, know it’s best application, be safe and responsible. Glad your buddy made that long recovery.

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Head shots? When hit they go down?? What happens to deer you think you havr not hit??Maybe you hit his big 8??

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Head shots? When hit they go down?? What happens to deer you think you havr not hit??Maybe you hit his big 8??

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Now you’re just stirin’ the pot !!!

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Head shots with buckshot is a recipe for disaster. Your big 8 proves that.

LOTS of BS floating around this thread! Guys, tone it down please or y'all knows what happens.

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Surprising it didnt go thru. That must have been disapointing. Did u toss both straps?

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Nope just cut around it & ate the rest.

It was really nasty!! :(