This seems to be happening all too frequently. Some gangbanger has a trophy !!!!!
https://torontosun.com/news/crime/rcmp-firearm-radio-stolen-from-toronto-shopping-mall
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This seems to be happening all too frequently. Some gangbanger has a trophy !!!!!
https://torontosun.com/news/crime/rcmp-firearm-radio-stolen-from-toronto-shopping-mall
Worst thing the guy will be faced with is writer's cramp from filling out a few forms, and signing for a new weapon.
You or I would have our car torn apart for having a couple empty shell gun hulls in a cup holder on the way back from the trap range.
I think he/she should be charged with everything a Citizen would, be fired and loose their pension. Pay the fines do the time and have a Criminal record.
That's a career changer...HaHa...
Nice Trophy for some ne'er-do-well.
Exactly...the same consequence if it happened to someone who lost, due to thier own negligence, their restricted firearm going to/from a gun range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Maybe they should start putting gps chips in LEOs firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Then you have to look at the "extra cost " to us the taxpayer!Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Why should they lose their pension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
This is probably not an accurate statement and should have been corrected by the thread writer as he should know better.The officer who left this gun could face charges both criminally and under their version of our Police Act.A simple internet search brings up links like this immediately that anyone can gain access to http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/pubs/adj/a.../sec-1-eng.htm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
As usual , your response is fraught with “weasel” words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Should, probably, could....
with the exception of the pension reference,(Woodsman has addressed that ), Snowwalker is not too far off ! No doubt some internal discipline at the very least !!
In total agreement! :goodstuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
"...a satchel over a chair." That's how female officers keeps their equipment. The article doesn't say where in Sherway Gardens. My guess is she was in a restaurant or bar. Hanging a "purse" (case,bag whatever) over a chair by a shoulder strap is quite common. Lots of stuff is stolen that way. At any rate,someone is going to have a new posting,like traffic control at the corner of walk and don't walk in downtown Boonieville,NWT.
Lots of “supposin’ there Trimmer, but a posting where there’s 10 months of winter, followed by 2 months of poor snowshoein’ is a possibility !!Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The only "weasel words" are the ones you neglected in your original post where you left members with the impression nothing would happen to this officer when you know its the exact opposite.Now you have decided to amend your original post to come across more reasonable with your weasel words "No doubt some internal discipline at the very least"Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Of course you had to be prompted or shamed into writing this.Consider yourself documented Staff.
Snowwalker is far off and you Sir are not helping.
They invented the "ignore button" for poster such as yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I see your level of comprehension hasn’t improved much ! Read my OP again ! What you accuse me of is neither written or implied !Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You should use it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
There's a bit of "deductive reasoning" there that comes from previous experience. There's a lot the article doesn't say,but,it's easy to "read between the lines" as long as the article is reasonably accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Its implied by the fact you did not correct any of the posters misapprehensions about the discipline process police officers face and the fact they could face both criminal and internal discipline.As a former member you should know better and if this is the best thread you can post on a hunting site you must be very bored.IMHO Perhaps your head is still spinning over Justin getting voted in again. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I do for you but sometimes I have a peek just in case you have improved,but unfortunately ..............Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I don't think too many were surprised by the election result. Two things I carried in the pocket of my cap was a card of The Ten Most Wanted and The Serenity Prayer. The latter I still use,especially of late. The former,not so much. Nobody deserves to lose a pension. That's too harsh. For all we know, the officer may have been on duty. We all know anything can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I must be bored....I’m wasting time with your nonsense ! Suffice to say, after 2 years seconded to the RCMP, I’m well aware of their discipline processes.........Snowwalker is not too far off !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Now, be gone with you !
Yes Trimmer I just wanted to point out to the members this officer is in a lot of trouble and not have them thinking he/she will get a free pass.Great talking to you brother and good luck on your hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Can you name me any professionals in any career or trade, which would not lose a pension for committing and being convicted of Criminal acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
Except for Catholic Priests and Police officers.
Many many professions, in fact I bet it would
be most. are you being facetious?
How about the Air Force Col. presently in the Federal Pen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Yes that is quite correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Most pensions are safe.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
You mean to tell me I can work for lets say...A bank, steal money, do time and STILL get my pension from the bank?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
I am not talking about a welder or a Nurse that gets a DUI. It is more like the cop being three sheets to the wind well he's on patrol.
Quite possible because the pension would be part of your pay parcel earned over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
And in many pensions the person also pays into it.
Taking it would be similar to just cleaning out your bank accounts.
A court could order it held if there was cause to believe the pension/accounts was obtained illegally.
Not he's full pension, and it was part of a plea deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
What do you consider full pension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
How much does he get? What will he receive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
I will use your bank employee as an example. He -she works 25 years for the bank , they get involved in a road rage incident on the way home. Someone is killed, bank employee gets 8 years for manslaughter, does 5. In what reality do you figure the employee does-should not get their earned pension accrued over the 25 years ,before the 'incident' ?
Not a "Crime" related to their employment. Your argument is invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Truck driver , kills pedestrian. Convicted! Related to, while on job. No pension for him?
The numbers I don't know as that is personal info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
But it will be sizable.
You still haven't answered my question.
Too vague. Failure to yield? Manslaughter? DUI? MURDER?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Which question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
I think he was also retired from the Regular Forces and was working a full or Sim-full time job in the reserves. That may account for somethings.
In any of your scenarios, he would-should get his pension. A pension is money owed to you, already earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Stop right there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
He was the Base Commander of CFB Trenton.
Not a Reserve position.
You have been saying you have personal experience with his case. Maybe you can explain why he kept his money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
You again failed to provide anything of substance as to the "How, Why, When, What and Where" of your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
So my answer can be just as lacking in Substance... His Burial is paid for by insurance and you can't convict a dead man. Guess the question of does or does he not keep his pension does not matter since he had a heart attack and hit the pedestrian.
It does not matter, his widow would get it in that circumstance. Admit it you are wrong . In 99.0 % of cases a criminal conviction, in any profession would not cause you to lose your pension. Not just cops and priests.
99.9% of the crimes do not fall into the category of a "Breach of Trust".Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
If the truck driver steals his load...
"Breach of Trust"
No pension.
If the bank teller steals from the Bank or Customers.
"Breach of Trust".
No Pension.
Sorry but I do not believe a breach of trust necessarily causes you to lose your pension. If so please state the CCC statute. Or as my mother used to say, 'your talking out of the top of your hat'. How can they possibly take away legally obtained pension payouts.
Believe what you wish...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Take your word for it? LOL.
There is not nearly enough to the story to draw any conclusions on anything. I will admit that not having a clue as to when this stuff went missing within a period spanning more than two hours does not look good.
I get that laws are getting worse and it seems that being the legal owner of a firearm seems to have us labelled as an outlaw. That being said, I don't think it's right to call for crucifixion based on a crappy little blurb that tells us nothing. I just can't understand the want to destroy someone for something we know nothing about. I know if it was me, I would want some consideration.
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Like I said earlier....as long as they get no less punishment than if it was as a civilian RPAL holder ....the gun would appear to be in the hands of a criminal now...that can't be understated.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
I agree, but some people on here want more severe punishment, like a loss of pension. Seems they have a hate on for LEO's.
Ain't that the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Criminal gets picked up with an illegal gun they're bailed out with a promise to appear in 2 years. Heck no problem
Leo with possibly a lapse of judgement gets victimized yup punish him for life and beyond.
So the question is since everyone saying they should get the same us the citizens???.
What is the punishment if a restricted firearm is stolen from us ???
I'm amusing it is not much of a punishment, as to the criminal who possesses it virtually gets away Scot free.
As to a pension loss definitely not and never will .
happens things get stolen all the time.
If anything as a police officer they should at least foot the bill for a new one.
Gilroy I know you will chime in on my post . So yes the max punishment is no more than 5 years that is when it is not reported to the police. That is right across the board for for lost or stolen ,criminals who have no license and so on. As a person who knows of criminal justice and knows several people who did little to no time for criminal activity with a gun .
So the question is what really happens when a firearm is stolen. Yes maybe the some probation and a bunch of paperwork. But what really happens ??
Does anyone know who has a firearm stolen and has done jail time and lost their pensions??? Really ....
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You beat me to it by a second lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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Guys it was NOT stolen from a locked safe in the basement. But hey lets just focus on one thing... ignore anything else.
SW ,we know you think it should be a loss of pension, even though that is unreasonable, (ridiculous). So .....what do you feel would be an apt punishment?
You are correct in this however my outlook comes from a more personal standpoint. Say you are done with the hunt and cleaning one of your firearms, you run to the other room for a cleaning kit or whatever and someone walk in and snags your gun then bails with it. I don't see that warranting jail time for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
In the way back from the range and swing in to the gas station, a smash and grab occurs while I am paying due to a common error with the pump, should I be locked up and lose my shirt?
I have had crap happen. I was contending with a crying newborn upon returning from working late only to have someone stick their head in the door, grab my keys off the washing machine (yes it's right by the front door) and steal my pickup. My wife heard the truck fire up and I told her she was hearing things when she mentioned it.
I think this LEO deserves the benefit of the doubt until the facts come out.
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Lets keep all options on the table, investigation of the facts and then decide which ones to remove from the list of punishments applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Would you feel better if it was phrased as "Possible ( not Positive) loss of Pension, upon a dishonorable Discharge."
Oaknut all options are on the table till the facts of the theft are looked at.
First case, you'd have grounds for a defense being with in you home, and the expectation of security.
Second case. You locked your car.
So same thing.
Third case....Just sucks. Sorry to hear.
Now if you stopped at timmies and had the pistol case laying on the table and walked away. Your likely going to be in so deep you'll need a bathysphere.
Anyone who thinks there'll be no repercussions for losing a SW has never been an LEO in Ontario. One of our crew lost a SW overboard while on marine patrol and lost her holidays for a whole year when the Inspector was done with her. There's no end to the shyte storm when that happens. It goes on your service record and can literally cost any form of career advancement. You better resign yourself to being a happy Constable for the rest of the time you're on the job because that's as good as it's gonna get. God forbid,you ever lose a badge and warrant card.