Covid 2nd Wave....fact or fiction

[Gilroy]

Do you know how people dealt with the Spanish flu? They took off their masks and learned to live with it. It never went away its still with us and we don't wear masks for it.

How do you know what they did during the Spanish Flu, the internet has lots of information and pictures of people wearing masks at that time.

But hey you guys fill your boots do what you want, you might have the luxury of being isolated on some rural property,but people in the urban area's will do what it takes to be prevent the spread of this virus.

[MikePal]

Do you know how people dealt with the Spanish flu? They took off their masks and learned to live with it. It never went away its still with us and we don't wear masks for it.

Your right...

From a 'scientist' and Dr..Christopher Labos Md, Msc

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Herd immunity really does work. Sort of. The problem is that you need a lot of people to be immune for it to take hold. For example, polio needs upwards of 80 percent of the population to be immune for herd immunity to work. Pertussis and measles require more than 90 percent. Practically speaking, you can never achieve 100 percent immunity because some people cannot get vaccinations either because they are too young or have compromised immune systems or have allergies. But if you can keep the immunity rates above that critical threshold, then the herd keeps them protected. If you can maintain herd immunity for long enough, the virus will eventually disappear. Smallpox was eradicated that way. There is talk that polio may soon follow.

Unfortunately, every so often people start thinking they don’t need to be vaccinated, and then immunity rates fall below the critical threshold. In Britain, a drop-off in whooping cough vaccination led to an outbreak just as waning measles vaccinations in the United States led to measles outbreaks.

The point is that herd immunity needs the majority of the population to be immune. What that threshold is for COVID-19 is not entirely clear, but I have heard others say that it is likely to require 60 to 70 percent of the population to be immune, and that is probably a fair estimate given what we know about other viruses. Tens of thousands of people have been infected in Canada, but given the limitations of testing, many people, especially early on in the pandemic, did not get tested. Also, many people have no or very mild symptoms and may not have ever realized that they were sick. So in reality, the number of people who have contracted COVID-19 is without a doubt much higher than the number of people who have tested positive and much higher than the numbers reported on the news. A recent study suggested that the numbers may be up to 12 times higher, and while that sounds impressive, it still only represents less than five percent of the population of Quebec. So even if we accept that the vast majority of cases of COVID-19 are undiagnosed, we are nowhere near achieving rates that would result in herd immunity.

[Gilroy]

So without any immunity in the community how will a vaccine work for the community when only a small portion has a vaccine. ?

It won't it will still spread to all the people who do not get a vaccine. As it stands in the USA only 3 % of America has been tested positive. When 100 million vaccine are available next year year it will still leave a large population of covid spreaders.

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If the vaccine is as effective as they are saying,you take the shot.It will be made available to all.If you do not want to take it your on your own and you take your chances with your own immune system working for you.That's your gamble.

[Tigboy 304]

The sale of each item you mentioned is tightly controlled along with who and where they can be consumed. It is a compromise between some measure of government control or society facing an entirely unregulated illegal market.

It is not tightly controlled at all nor really is it controlled by the government. If I wanted I I can buy all that is mentioned above on some reservations quite easily and openly.

[fishfood]

Gilroy you should have no problems with this disease . Your health seems great [emoji106]

Your lungs are good you run 5k every day you drink your fungi teas . I would think you would have an ok time with it like Trump did lol. .

My in-laws thought Trump was faking it because he was fine they thought for sure he would be dead from this deadly disease. That's what media is telling people that's what they believe they believe this virus will kill them both instantly .


You seem like a fairly fit and healthy guy I truly believe you can beat this disease.



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[fishermccann]

I know people who have drank unresponsible and have killed people, innocent people, your contradicting yourself and your argument about effecting others. Lots of people don't wear masks and it doesn't effect others because they respect distance, same thing as alcohol

Your comprehension is lacking. How have I contradicted myself? Responsible drinking harms no one. I am a gun guy , your a gun guy, let me put it another way. I use my gun responsibly no one gets hurt. Someone else uses their gun in an irresponsible manner and people die, do we remove the guns from those who can use guns properly, because some can't ? Same as booze. I know a lot more people that drink responsibly, than I know have guns.

[canadaman30]

How do you know what they did during the Spanish Flu, the internet has lots of information and pictures of people wearing masks at that time.
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So are you saying people still wear masks for the Spanish flu. I don't think so, people learned to live with it, it never magically went away.

[canadaman30]

Your comprehension is lacking. How have I contradicted myself? Responsible drinking harms no one. I know a lot more people that drink responsibly, than I know have guns.

I know many people that don't wear a mask and they have not effected anyone, responsible distancing with others is all thats needed. After all thats what our government told us from day one, we don't need to wear masks.

[fishfood]

Your comprehension is lacking. How have I contradicted myself? Responsible drinking harms no one. I am a gun guy , your a gun guy, let me put it another way. I use my gun responsibly no one gets hurt. Someone else uses their gun in an irresponsible manner and people die, do we remove the guns from those who can use guns properly, because some can't ? Same as booze. I know a lot more people that drink responsibly, than I know have guns.

But you realize not everyone is responsible.

Just because a few are responsible does not mean everyone is . I am not even a drinker maybe a dozen times all year I will drink mainly in the summer . I will only buy beer now for my fish and chips [emoji16]. Beer is gross anyway [emoji6].

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[MikePal]

I know many people that don't wear a mask and they have not effected anyone, responsible distancing with others is all thats needed. After all thats what our government told us from day one, we don't need to wear masks.

If some of these folks truly trusted their mask..then they don't have to worry about those that don't wear them..

The original recommendation, based on lessons learned past pandemics, from the WHO was to "wash your hands, don't touch you face and keep a distance"

All that has came since then has been attempts at social engineering.

As stated earlier, from what I and others have seen, masks appear to becoming what they call 'superspreaders'..part of the problem not part of the solution.