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    Agree Girloy, and both you know, I will and am not afraid to agree with you guys when it needs to be said.

    I think our problem in Canada is that citizens here have simply been brought up with to much.

    Now I know that might piss off some people but its simply a fact. We have to much, we want to much.

    Now I am not suggesting this as a solution just something for my fellow Canadians to ponder.
    and where do those Canadians you speak of live?
    Coe Hill?
    Lindsay?
    The Bruce pennissula?
    Chattam/Kent?
    Timmins/Sudbury?
    New Brunswick?
    Nova Scotia?
    Anywhere in Alberta outside the oil patch?


    And how do they almost always vote these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    Lol just read your living in denial comment Gord.
    So your saying the West doesn't hate Ontario? and specifically the GTA?
    So your saying Northern Ontario ( which usually votes NDP) doesnt hate the GTA and hasn't talked about separation?
    So your saying Rurual Ontario too doesn't now hate the GTA?

    lmao, Im guessing you dont read these forums much, let alone anything that's not printed or aired from outside the GTA


    And why?
    Well because, once again they are sticking their heads in the sand, just as they did 2006-2016. Maybe their heads are in the sand, because we can hope they are trying to find their morals.
    I am living in the country from April to November every year and have done so for years.

    I find very little credibility in what you are saying, I listen to the Moose Radio 97.9, they very seldom ever report GTA news.

    I read the Bancroft Today newspaper and they almost never cover GTA news or make comment on folks from the GTA.

    I hunt with local guys in Coe Hill, do they like Trudeau, no but they do not use the word hate either.

    Do rural people hate people from the GTA, not that I have found, they have always been warm and friendly, I see them at the Legion, Church dinners, Canada day celebrations ,birthdays and even funerals.

    You do understand JBEN today that half the rural residents are blow in's from the GTA area.

    This year I meet two families from Alberta, I did not find any hate shown towards me.

    Northern Ontario has no possibility of survival without the money generated in the Toronto Stock Exchange,especially mining stocks.
    Alberta is in the same boat, we can get oil and gas from other places in Canada without Alberta and we could get any amount of Hydro from Quebec if we needed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oaknut View Post
    Disclaimer: this is not a personal attack.

    Have to ask, if this is true why are almost all supporters of your way of thinking spineless cowards? Almost nobody stands beside you or behind you on your arguments or lack there of when fed the truth.

    Do you not get tired of the sissies hiding in the wings that don't have the backbone to say something? It would all make you nothing more than a patsy to them.

    Not a group I would want anywhere near me anyhow. Lol

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    You would be very surprised at the PM's I have had over the years. If you look at the total 13,000 members on here and this was at one time considered a Conservative bastion of a forum, would you not get to thinking ,how come so many of the members are not directly against Trudeau or even the spending.

    Now I do not agree with a great many things that Trudeau has done or is doing ,but instead of asking what we can agree on everybody just assumes I agree with Trudeau. That is simply not so.

    However in totality and after being a Conservative for the first half of my voting life I simply find I know longer have much in common with their policies.
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    I'm honestly shocked.

    Just google rural/urban divide then. Narrow it down or add Ontario if you like.
    I cant be bothered to go to places and copy/paste thousands and thousands and thousands of comments made by normal people either. Maybe you might recall the shyte storm back in April with respect to cityots leaving the GTA for cottages? And I don't mean here, I mean out there........Go google articles from any newspaper back then......

    Google any Alberta based paper. The Calgary Herald. Read a op-ed on just this topic of Carbon Taxes....Then read the hundreds of comments if you want an idea of what they think of you. Lmao a good friend of mine moved to Calgary a year ago. She never really understood the hate....Now you should read some of her comments about things.....

    Have you never heard people refer to citiots? Who do you think they are referring to? Or "The center of the Universe"?


    https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...ntario-voters/
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle7080204/

    Lol I could literally spend a week copying stuff for you and still only scratch the surface.

    Even policy makers......
    https://on360.ca/policy-papers/measu...-rural-divide/

    lol, and do mean that in a kind, pleasant way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    I'm honestly shocked.

    Just google rural/urban divide then. Narrow it down or add Ontario.
    I cant be bothered to go to places and copy/paste thousands and thousands and thousands of comments made by normal people either. Maybe you might recall the shytestom back in April with respect to cityots leaving the GTA for cottages? And I dont mean here, I mean out there........

    Google any Alberta based paper. The Calgary Herald. Read a op-ed on just this topic of Carbon Taxes....Then read the hundreds of comments if you want an idea of what they think of you. Lmao a good friend of mine moved to Calgary a year ago. Nevre really understood the hate....Now you should read some of comments about things.....

    Have you never heard people refer to cityots? Who do you think they are referring to? Or "The center of the Universe"?


    https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...ntario-voters/
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle7080204/

    Lol I could litterally spend a week copying stuff for you and stil only scratch the surface.

    Even policy makers......
    https://on360.ca/policy-papers/measu...-rural-divide/

    https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...ntario-voters/
    Well of course your going to find this stuff because the narrative suits you, but the so called hate is not directed at ME none of these folks knows me so why would they hate a person they have not even meet.

    What they might "hate" is the politicians and what the politicians are doing.

    I have no hate for anybody least of all folks I have never meet and I cannot even fathom a person living with so much hate.

    We do see it in the USA so clearly it exists, but it seems both here and there one group are the haters and the other is not.

    I guess its up to you which group you belong to.

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    "you". It's a figure of speach. Allow me to rephrase. you, me, us. And while yes they do hate the Liberal party, they hate Liberal supporters just as much. If not more so. And that means....And why do you think that might be. Well with respect to the West it goes back to the NEP. And with respect to rural Ontario I just don't know what to say.

    "One group hates the other more". Perhaps, but consider the times certain parties have been in power. You cant say for example that during Harper's tenure people on the left didn't hate people on the right. Nor can you say that doesn't exist with Ford, albeit it's pretty mild given Ford hasn't really crushed anyone yet, though he is beginning to. have you forgotten Harris?Nor you can you deny that people that support the right aren't often called neo con nazis, zenophobes, racist, un-educated rednecks. especially when it comes to Trump and his supporters. Hopefully I dont get slapped on the wrist again.....

    Because it fits my narrative or you don't like hearing the truth?
    Read the comments
    https://financialpost.com/commoditie...ompetitiveness

    Why do you think so many despise Unions then?

    And lastly read that policy paper I linked.
    Heres another
    The urban/rural divide and a more inclusive Canada (irpp.org)
    Last edited by JBen; December 12th, 2020 at 03:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilroy View Post
    Well of course your going to find this stuff because the narrative suits you, but the so called hate is not directed at ME none of these folks knows me so why would they hate a person they have not even meet.

    What they might "hate" is the politicians and what the politicians are doing.

    I have no hate for anybody least of all folks I have never meet and I cannot even fathom a person living with so much hate.

    We do see it in the USA so clearly it exists, but it seems both here and there one group are the haters and the other is not.

    I guess its up to you which group you belong to.
    Yep the people will not hate the people only the corrupt government lol.

    It's horrific what's happening now in the states the people are not hating the people but they are hating the government. More March's today and what I think it's going to turn ugly soon. Listening to some comments today one guy said they have been calm so far but can't guarantee it will stay that way.

    When I was in northern ont this summer was talking to a lady she was upset about people from the city coming into wawa lol. We talked a while then I eventually told her I was traveling from the GTA , doesn't she put her mask [emoji1787]. We still talked afterwards had to wait in line at the grocery store for 30 minutes. She didn't hate me but she feared where I came from.

    People are friendly they may have different opinions and views but most can still get along with one another .





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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakezilla View Post
    Take some time and read Apocalypse Never. You may find that most of your alarmist claims have been debunked by real science.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Apocalypse-Nev...%2C1828&sr=8-1

    Now a National Bestseller!

    Climate change is real but it’s not the end of the world. It is not even our most serious environmental problem.

    Michael Shellenberger has been fighting for a greener planet for decades. He helped save the world’s last unprotected redwoods. He co-created the predecessor to today’s Green New Deal. And he led a successful effort by climate scientists and activists to keep nuclear plants operating, preventing a spike of emissions.

    But in 2019, as some claimed “billions of people are going to die,” contributing to rising anxiety, including among adolescents, Shellenberger decided that, as a lifelong environmental activist, leading energy expert, and father of a teenage daughter, he needed to speak out to separate science from fiction.

    Despite decades of news media attention, many remain ignorant of basic facts. Carbon emissions peaked and have been declining in most developed nations for over a decade. Deaths from extreme weather, even in poor nations, declined 80 percent over the last four decades. And the risk of Earth warming to very high temperatures is increasingly unlikely thanks to slowing population growth and abundant natural gas.

    Curiously, the people who are the most alarmist about the problems also tend to oppose the obvious solutions.

    What’s really behind the rise of apocalyptic environmentalism? There are powerful financial interests. There are desires for status and power. But most of all there is a desire among supposedly secular people for transcendence. This spiritual impulse can be natural and healthy. But in preaching fear without love, and guilt without redemption, the new religion is failing to satisfy our deepest psychological and existential needs.
    Pretty interesting guy in this one video he talks a lot about nuclear which I have not ever been against, however nothing on cars
    and home heating and so forth, but I will definitely be reading more on him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishfood View Post
    Yep the people will not hate the people only the corrupt government lol.

    It's horrific what's happening now in the states the people are not hating the people but they are hating the government. More March's today and what I think it's going to turn ugly soon. Listening to some comments today one guy said they have been calm so far but can't guarantee it will stay that way.

    When I was in northern ont this summer was talking to a lady she was upset about people from the city coming into wawa lol. We talked a while then I eventually told her I was traveling from the GTA , doesn't she put her mask [emoji1787]. We still talked afterwards had to wait in line at the grocery store for 30 minutes. She didn't hate me but she feared where I came from.

    People are friendly they may have different opinions and views but most can still get along with one another .





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    Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilroy View Post
    You understand that Canadians are living in an artificial world where fossil fuels are needed to survive, so I get that and also understand we are the biggest user's on the planet.

    .
    Do you have any idea how much Healthcare and medical supplies need oil to produce and manufacture.
    Could you explain how Healthcare supply chain be produced without oil?

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