Ontario Health workers letter to Ford

[trimmer21]

According to today's CTVNews report,the province plans to end all Covid protocols including masking and passports by March 2022. All thee anti-vaxers need to do is hang around until then and all the arguments will be moot. No doubt,the conspiracy theorists and chicken littles will find something else to occupy their minds.

[NJohnson]

According to today's CTVNews report,the province plans to end all Covid protocols including masking and passports by March 2022. All thee anti-vaxers need to do is hang around until then and all the arguments will be moot. No doubt,the conspiracy theorists and chicken littles will find something else to occupy their minds.

Yaa ok! You are kinda naive, if you think there will be no attempts to keep the passports indefinitely in the name of safety, of course!

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[MarkB]

But it's not about a safe work environment...they have worked through the worst of a pandemic for the most part of two years safely. And now, with 80% vaccinated, the greatest threat to their safety doesn't exist anymore.

The PPE they wear as part of their job and have worn from the beginning still protects them from patients who are admitted with the virus as it always has. Forcing 100% to be vaccinated is redundant as the majority of their co-workers are vaccinated and are not a threat to each other (herd immunity). A fully vaccinated person shouldn't get or spread the virus so an unvaccinated person is no threat to them or to themselves.

This isn't about safety ...it's about social engineering compliance through coercion, threats to peoples lively hood and ostracization of people who choose, as is their right, not to comply.

I find it amazing how a sanctimonious mob is willing to fire a co-worker because they have chosen not to get the vaccination,yet cherish the fact that we live in a Free society. Smacks of hypocrisy don't it.

I agree ... people should have a right to choose.
I too am concerned by what seems to be an autocratic leadership method just stating/forcing people to do things. It is not democracy at all.
If getting the vaccine is the right thing to do, then convince people via discussion and education.

I personally think getting the vaccine is the right choice ... but that's just to state my opinion on the matter. It does not trump the points I make above.
If you want to know why I think the vaccine is the right choice ... that's another discussion (which is happening on other threads).

[Bushwhacker]

I also follow science not voodoo like you.

Unlike you I am also an honest person.

Why is 'the science' completely different in Scandinavian countries, which have zero restrictions and things are back to normal?

[MikePal]

Why is 'the science' completely different in Scandinavian countries, which have zero restrictions and things are back to normal?

Have you seen Swedish women..their science is definitely way different HaHa.

[Bushwhacker]

Under health and safety regulations,employers can enact any health and safety rules they deem necessary to ensure a safe work environment. If that includes vaccinations for employees,oh,well. No one is holding anyone down and stickin' them. The choice is always up to the employee. If they don't want to comply,they'll need to find employment elsewhere.

This is a dangerous precedent. To just point to the current laws and say "oh well" is no different than shrugging one's shoulders during slavery, Jim Crow laws, Holocaust, etc. These things were legal at the time, but that didn't make them just.

The whole "private companies can do whatever they want" thing is out of touch, especially in an era where many private companies pose more of a threat to us than the government does. Mass censorship and banning of people -- including a duly elected sitting president -- from the new public square (twitter, facebook, youtube, etc.) are huge social engineering problems.

The solution to just seek employment elsewhere is bogus because this is not a purely economic problem (and there is no such thing as pure economics anyways...economics is part of moral philosophy as I mentioned in the Capitalism thread). Everyone is coerced and pressured into doing something that doesn't even make sense in the first place. It's all empty political theatre.

Who's to say a company can't demand forced castration in order to thwart unwanted sexual advances towards an increasing female workforce? Or roll out a one child policy for staff? Or refuse service based on sexual orientation? Or demand additional private health information that does not pertain to the job? Or fire you based on your social credit score? Or restrict your movement based on bogus 'green' initiatives and personal CO2 emissions? And not just one weird company, but all of them? There won't be anywhere left to work.

[Bushwhacker]

It's a single voice that is absolutely correct. Because she is receiving huge support for her letter, should tell you she is not wrong. When up to 40% of Health care workers in some settings don't support mandatory vaccinations, someone should be asking why that is.

Yes. And it's not just those in healthcare. Police, military, firefighters, teachers, trades...there are many who oppose the ridiculous draconian measures for a virus with a 99% survival rate. Look at the huge numbers at all the various marches and protests...and those are just the ones who aren't afraid of being visible and 'picking a side'. Many will confide to you in private that they strongly disagree but don't know what else to do.

[MikePal]

Or restrict your movement based on bogus 'green' initiatives and personal CO2 emissions?

Wait for the restrictions as we approach 2030 involving Zero emissions: No access to parking lots at Hospitals, Schools, no Drive-In theatres, or long term parking at the Airport unless you have an E-Car ...sound ridiculous ??

This Pandemic has shown us, the 'Zealots' know no bounds. HaHa.

[smitty55]

Is that the science that says your fully-vaccinated and you still have to wear a mask? Or is the science that says, your fully-vaccinated but need yearly booster shots?...lmao

Smitty 55 hit the nail on the head

One thing for sure, it's not the same science that all those front line health care workers that are refusing the vax are using. Somehow he thinks he knows more than them lol. And as usual he never posts any facts to back up his silly retorts.

[greatwhite]

Funny all the Nurses I know had the vaccine long time ago.