Wind company asks landowners to ban hunting

[terrym]

Read this in the post this morning: explains how badly we're being screwed

And who exactly created this situation?

[MikePal]

To me it's simply greed.

That's where the landowners 'integrity vs greed' comes into play.

Yea, ya gotta hate that greedy farm family, struggling to make ends meet, who leases out some unused acreage on the family farm for a Turbine or two so that they can put their kids thru University...

[yellow dog]

I think I trust my wife's judgement and moral compass to quite her job working for one of the bigger player wind turbine companies because of the shadiness of it all.

[LowbanksArcher]

Yea, ya gotta hate that greedy farm family, struggling to make ends meet, who leases out some unused acreage on the family farm for a Turbine or two so that they can put their kids thru University...

Ah yes, the image of the poor hard working farmer struggling to make ends meet. Yes, there are small farming outfits that could use the money, but for the MOST part, they're not the ones being offered these contracts. It's the ones that already own 1000+ acres, who buy up land at ridiculous prices and squeeze out the little guy, that are coming out ahead here. From my local project alone, I could name names of several BIG operation farms that are cashing in big time. Thanks to signing that sneaky non-disclosure agreement and keeping it quiet from their neighbours.

[MikePal]

but for the MOST part, they're not the ones being offered these contracts.

Same sentiment, why are they considered "greedy" for making money off their land. They were lucky and made a smart business decision. Capitalism.

The only bad guy in all of this the Government who allowed it to spiral out of their control at the cost to the taxpayer....

[LowbanksArcher]

Same sentiment, why are they considered "greedy" for making money off their land. They were lucky and made a smart business decision. Capitalism.

My point is, smart business decisions are not ethical business decisions.
Integrity vs greed.
Signing a contract and gag order to hide information from you neighbours is a smart business decision, but one I'll never respect.

[yellow dog]

Ah yes, the image of the poor hard working farmer struggling to make ends meet. Yes, there are small farming outfits that could use the money, but for the MOST part, they're not the ones being offered these contracts. It's the ones that already own 1000+ acres, who buy up land at ridiculous prices and squeeze out the little guy, that are coming out ahead here. From my local project alone, I could name names of several BIG operation farms that are cashing in big time. Thanks to signing that sneaky non-disclosure agreement and keeping it quiet from their neighbours.

Your spot on LbA and knowing this information first hand sickens me to death. Well said !

[LowbanksArcher]

Question. For those who feel that the farmer should be able to do what he wants with his land.

Should a farmer be allowed to bulldoze fence lines and timber to increase their workable acreage?

Around here, I see big farming operations buying properties, and bulldozing fence lines. Big equipment moves in, safe wildlife travel corridors turn into increased profits.

[greatwhite]

Simple answer is Yes. It's his land. Should you be allowed to buy a bush lot up north and put a camp on it??

The Farmer is running a business.

Question. For those who feel that the farmer should be able to do what he wants with his land.

Should a farmer be allowed to bulldoze fence lines and timber to increase their workable acreage?

Around here, I see big farming operations buying properties, and bulldozing fence lines. Big equipment moves in, safe wildlife travel corridors turn into increased profits.

[MikePal]

My point is, smart business decisions are not ethical business decisions.
Integrity vs greed.

Neither are most corporate decisions...it's how Capitalism works....isn't every business that uses off shore manufacturing to produce cheaper products lacking integrity and filled with greed ? Taking jobs from Canadians ?

How many things do you own that are made by what is paramount to slave labour in off shore factories ? Got an iPhone ? Let's no get all sanctimonious about integrity v Greed and then look the other way to buy a cheaper products made by cheap labour.

A farmer that is offered money to lease his land has every legal right to do so. If they have a moral compass and decide that they don't like what it will do to the landscape good for them. But to use a blanket statement like they lack integrity and are all greedy without knowing the reasons as to why they signed the contracts is wrong. Since when is making money considered greedy ?

Have you turned down a promotion or bonus because you didn't want to make more money and appear to be greedy?

Just because you don't like the sight of them while driving along the rural hwy's doesn't give you the right to condemn the landowner for having them on his property anymore that I have the right to condemn the developers for putting up skyscrapers, office towers and apartment buildings on what was once scenic farm land.

Do you like the look of the sprawling suburbs on the outskirts of the GTA ? Urban sprawl stretching as far as the eye can see on what used to be farm pasture...a blight on the horizon...Why was that allowed ?

Were the farmers that took money from the developer for the land your house is sitting on greedy ? Do you lack integrity for buying a home on land that was once scenic farmland ?

Lets' not get too sanctimonious here in deciding what is a blight we need and can live with.

The issue of wind farms is fraught with problems that land squarely on the laps of politicians..period. Take your outrage to them. And as was pointed out, Ontarian's have had the opportunity twice to remove them and failed. Now as taxpayers we will pay for it.