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The google search "cloth mask efficiency" immediately brings up many links. Here is one from the front page that has a scientific slant for those of you that prefer numbers to opinion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7185834/
Further to that, a page within that page, showing different visuals of cloth type masks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7185834/
Great post noob. This site needs someone who can cut and paste as well as mosq. Care to respond, those who think even home made masks are worthless? Facts are facts.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
If you look around, there are studies that say the opposite too. That one wasn't hard to find. It's from 2015, but there's a recent update. I guess they've been receiving a lot of emails lately about their mask trials.
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Same old,, same old, yes I agree ,everyone can find ,' reputable sources ' to back up their own point of view. Who would- could argue with, ' it may be beneficial to prevent the spread of covid ', and 'it can't hurt to wear one'? Please tell me what harm it can do to wear one? Except of course for legitimate medical reasons. Which are up to the individual themselves , to decide if those are just,.... for the right reasons. Necessity? Pride? Independence? Obstinate? Dare I say, selfishness?..
1 way to look at the cloth masks. "They" say that you could inhale a small amount of the virus and it would not be enough for you to catch it. If however you have a large amount ingested or breathed in due to being in a smaller enclosed environment your odds increase.
So if I wear a mask in a high risk environment then the virus will be in/on my mask and even when I remove myself from that area and I still have a mask on which is now impregnated with the virus I will still be breathing it in as my mask is now a target rich virus holding area even though my environment is now a zero risk. Try to convince me that is not true.
I will still wear a mask in public when needed or mandated, but change them out and wash them regularly at home.
John
After 21 pages of posts what part of mandatory doesn't anybody understand ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Bang on - and same political methodology to condition people from the truth.
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
CDC says U.S. could get virus under control in a couple of months with masks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-says-us-could-get-coronavirus-under-control-in-one-to-two-months-if-everyone-wears-a-mask.html
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“The time is now,” Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, said during an interview with the Journal of the American Medical Association. “I think if we could get everybody to wear a mask right now I think in four, six, eight weeks we could bring this epidemic under control.”
It is clear to me the Milk Fed - Nanny State is alive and well. What is disappointing to me is the abject subjugation people willingly give over their rights. Government won't protect you (if they cared, they would have taken Tam's advice 14 yrs ago when she chaired the panel for pandemic responses and recommendations) That included stocks of PPE, no provincial/federal government has done so since.
So with lack of Publicly funded action - to a known issue that would occur - it has caused the government to react the way it did.
That reaction is smoke and mirrors to hide the facts they were not prepared (in Ontario the MOH budget is 56 billion dollar, lots of money to buy PPE). As a result government reaction was lockdown..only to hide the fact of lack of PPE. This is/was to avoid the political cost of mismanagement which is both Fords/Wynne's government failures. God forbid someone be held accountable for failing to protect the public..(proves they don't care) the opposition is playing its game of saying its Fords fault, but, this the same opposition who didn't take action when in power. The government is not coming to rescue you - unless the sitting government can gain politically from it (CERB). Take for example Trudeaus attendance at BLM protest in Ottawa..he was self isolated the whole time except breaking recommendation to not visit cottage, only stood at the pulpit at Sussex for daily breifing. Why did he come out to BLM, he don't give $#%^ about BLM - but there was voter demographic he could appease and gain from..that is why.
You see from a political point of view, it is far better to create a problem and fix it with your money, under the guise of government intervention (Trudeau Quote: "We took on DEBT so Canadians did not have to", it sells and is parroted by MSM..but the average person has no idea from that statement it is all Canadian's debt, and your children's, and grand children's debt repayment.) But it sells, and 47% of Canadians approve Trudeau's performance.
I think it might too late for people to understand how government failures have lead to government interventions to solutions governments created. I have friends whose kids have 10K in bank from sitting at home on snapchat, Instagram and gaming while getting paid to do nothing at twice the rate they were if working. They will vote him now... These are the same people Trudeau will speak to in the Election that is coming in Canada in Nov 2020, it is these people who the government "saved", because of its ineptitude (Fed/Prov).
Government has been inventing problems to be the savior of solutions to their own problems...and it works. Identity politics is the methodology that creates blocks of voters. A group is far easier to control, then having to speak to individual on a policy document. This is why CONS are no longer CONS, because they have pander to that identity group to garner those votes - or they will scramble to next who sells what is best to that's groups interests. CONS are trapped by the identity politics in which they helped create. This is new political norm - where the interests and what is best for Canada is no longer valid and has been replaced with how do I get elected or stay in power!
If you can understand the basic premise of what I am writing (you are now woke) and how policies that protect individuals rights and not group rights are the only thing that will return Canada to the people. Until the CONS start writing policies that protect these rights (which it won't with 2 generations of social re-education of our youth) or the system totally collapses into a Venezuelan scenario...it will be too late.
A great saying I remind people of with Democracy's - You can vote your way into Democratic Socialism (AKA Communism), but you have to shoot your way out.
Or - Democracy is an illusion - 51% vote still denies the 49% representation and creates resentment.
People still have choice about masks.
You can choose to wear a mask
You can choose not to go to those places where a mask is required.
You can claim you have a "medical condition," argue with store clerks and otherwise act like a complete jackass.
Lots of choice still to go around.
baaaa-aaaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by badenoch
I still have a choice here. It's optional in the Peterborough area, and we haven't had a positive case since June 20th. No masks, no positive cases. Imagine that. I'm sure our health unit will be told to get on board soon enough though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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...and there it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
https://kawarthanow.com/2020/07/15/m...orough-region/
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Good read. I was confused as to whether the medical masks were N95 or if that was the control group? Either way, the study I put up was literally the second in a long line of links that were talking about efficiency for the wearer controlling spread. Yours was whether or not the mask STOPPED the wearer from contracting said virus. I don't think that was ever in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
https://globalnews.ca/news/7179425/s...store-assault/
Isn't it easier to just go into a store covered up?
How about the bus driver in France that was beaten to death for denying riders that weren't wearing masks?
Or how about that guy in Texas who attended the 'Covid is a Hoax' party and contracted the virus there? Dead at 30 yrs old.
You're right, the focus in that study was on protecting oneself, but my takeaway is that in an actual infectious disease environment the people wearing cloth masks were getting sick at a much higher rate. They also stated that cloth masks allowed a huge percentage of particles to pass through as opposed to more recent claims that they filter much more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by noob
With so much conflicting information out there on masks, it hardly makes sense to mandate their use. But, if it's the answer to getting things back to normal because people seem to go along with the idea, then I guess it's the answer.
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Ive seen the plastic barriers that are put up in public places cleaned with a white cloth, the disgusting filth that comes off it is from people who dont wear masks. Once you see one of these barriers cleaned youll want to vomit how much crud is flung onto them from people breathing and talking. Its not rocket science that masks or face coverings restrict the transfer of vapour droplets from your mouth in which the virus is attached to. The grocery store clerk who showed me this is grateful for everyone that wears masks now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
No wonder with all the sanitizing and protocols nobody I know has even had a sore throat all year let alone a cold or any sickness. Something is working. Im normally due for a cold a few times a year but this year been healthy as a horse. Wonder why...
Exactly, as they have said all along, it's to protect others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
I guess there's no way that dust particles could be attracted to plastic by static electricity or stick to residue from previous cleaning? It must be from the mouth breathers that don't wear masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
Yes, the other seasonal viruses sure got it handed to them this year, but it wasn't from wearing masks because we weren't wearing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
Plexiglass is impossible to keep clean. Try it. Not so much to do with spit, more like static charge buildup.
EDIT: You beat me to it dean.
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Breath through your nose, dont speak or open your mouth around others out an about or keep distance. Pretty simple, seems to work in Peterborough without masks, how is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
If there no trace of the virus where you live it wont make any difference if you wear a space suit to the store, thats pretty simple to understand there is no risk or hazard so I completely understand not wearing a mask where its not a risk. Kinda like not wearing a bullet proof vest unless you are in the line of fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I guess you can deny and make up whatever you want to dismiss whats actually going on. Sure theres other things on the plexiglass but theres also alot of biological matter that flys out of peoples mouths...watch the below...I dare you!Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
https://www.nist.gov/blogs/taking-me...spread-disease
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5f0fd40e...%20%281%29.mp4
I'm a mouth breather and wear a mask when needed. Which is all of 5 minutes when I run in to buy something.
I will as well, starting July 17th.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
I just have a hard time believing the buildup on plexiglass barriers is strictly from non mask wearers, nothing more.
I've reduced my indoor shopping to about 15 minutes a week so it's not even worth worrying about mask or no mask, I am interested to see if everyone else is wearing one when I go.
There was cases of the virus up until nearly the end of June as stated already. So how did it not spread without mandatory masks care to explain? Seems to me they have it under control just fine without the need for face masks. Try to convince anyone living in that area people not wearing masks are the problem...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
Phase 3 is approaching indoor dining will be open how do you wear a mask out for dinner?. Or at the bar having a few drinks?.
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Always some kind of scam going on .
Here is one for not wearing a mask, a mask exemption card lol.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health...ians-1.5023854
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I'm listening to a talk show now and the reason that many dont want to wear a mask is that they dont trust what they are being told from our government.
Remember turd boy was the first to dismiss the rules he set out. When he told everyone it would be different for Easter then went to visit his family.
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Not surprising. Just add them to the list of douchebags who fake medical certificates to park in handicapped spaces, beg for a doctor's note to take their poodle on a flight, fake an injury to get workers comp or claim imaginary medical conditions to not wear a mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
I do feel bad for the front line people who have been told by their employer to inform and help enforce the mandatory mask rule, mainly thinking about the cashiers at that Valu-Mart in Minden yesterday having to deal with the irate customer.
They don’t get paid to deal with that shyte
What so many aren't seeing is how many workplaces that have been deemed essential from day one. Many have never social distanced or worn masks, after all they don't have prying eyes from the public like grocery and other stores. Workers to afraid to report to the MNR in fear of retaliation from employers or complete shutdown of business.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
So many of them have no cases of Covid, not by luck or masks, but by using common sense while working around others.
Bingo again..Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
You fear for your job, so you do not report law , or health and safety infractions. How is that good? :sad:
What should be happening is the grocery store employee's responsibility stops at "inform". If the customer is still non-compliant, then it becomes the manager's problem. If the manager expects the employee to enforce the rule, the employee should refuse to do it as unsafe work. I can't see a Ministry of Labour investigator siding with the employer here.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Unfortunately what happens is although the employee cannot be reprimanded in any way for refusing unsafe work, a month or two down the road the employer will find a different reason to get rid of that employee for "just cause". For the most part people aren't as concerned with refusing work in the moment as they are with how things will be with the boss afterwards.
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Did you watch the video?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Again, if your not in an area where the virus is concentrated you are lucky you dont have to use PPE to help prevent the spread. Come on down to one of the hot zones, its a whole different story, you cant ignore the protocols they have in place to keep people safe, you would be the only one not wearing a mask in the places I shop. Your comparing apples to oranges, Im not going to argue your strawman argument, what Im talking about is a much greater scale then what you are living in.
Go try and get medical assistance in a hospital that requires you to wear a mask, Im fairly certain all hospitals require them at this point. Throw down your "im a panzy and cant follow the rules" card and you will be escorted out by security just like that yahoo on twitter that was in the news last week.
In the case in Minden, he did not get into the store but according to sources, was 'informed' by staff of a need for a mask, before entering, and then assaulted the staff in the parking lot.
Unfortunately I have the unwanted pleasure of dealing with these types of people every day on my job. One thing in common is they work harder against the system then if they just did what was right its less stress, less effort and their actions benefit more people when they chose to work together to solve an issue then try and stand out and be difficult for absolutely no real reason. Sometimes pride and ego get in the way of common sense, I see it everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
The mask is to try to prevent the wearer from hacking their lungs out all over the produce or railings or whatever as they're out and about. Very little is to protect the wearer.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
It's not good!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Just like why our criminals in charge are ignoring the source. I tried to point that out to you in my last post but you confused attention to detail with how well you can stay awake.
If we pay attention to the numbers, we can take away that the lockdown was an excellent primary defense. Now that we are going further into the reopening stages, the odds of people travelling within the province are very high. Those that live in high density areas with high case rates are going to be inclined to visit low density/low case rate areas. You aren’t the problem, they are. By putting out a blanket law, it takes the guesswork out of who should, or shouldn’t be wearing a mask. Our last case was June 16. There have been 9 confirmed since March. But our population also grows exponentially during the summer. Short term rentals and resorts cater to people that don’t have much stake in what happens in our little town. That being said, I don’t think that it’s worth the breath to terrorize some kid working a summer job and earning min wage for a box of milk or a few limes.
Or our corrupt media insinuating that a possible remedy (malaria drug) is poison at the beginning of the fn outbreak because Trump relayed some medical experts early study showing promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Notice the media never talk about remedies. They can't even ask those serious question because it will expose their lies.
Are Canadian doctors even prescribing the malaria drug?
Our death rate is double that of the US. Why? It's not from our hospitals being overwhelmed, we know that.
If you're going to point at the US as a reason/excuse to demand masks, don't do it because their cases are going up, do it because we can't control the death rate as well our neighbors.
Good post, and I agree with pretty much all of your reasoning. What doesn't add up for me is we've had cottagers from high risk zones visiting here for 2 months without a mask policy without issue. I agree that IF masks do what we're being told they do (and I don't believe they do), then your post is totally logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by noob
Again, I think the science on masks is contradictory at best and the mandate to wear masks is more for the feel good aspect of it all than anything else. Same as Tim Horton's employees and delivery drivers wearing gloves, etc. Those gloves are worse than hands if they're not being changed between each coffee or each delivery (and you know they're not), but it makes people feel better to see them. It makes people feel better to see everyone in masks, to the point of shaming those who aren't wearing one. Look at this thread and how upset people are about others who aren't interested in wearing a mask, even though the concept of wearing masks to "protect others" is only weeks old and far from proven effective.
At my workplace, they just made masks mandatory. We've had American truck drivers coming and going (mainly from the epicenter, New York and New Jersey) the entire time. Some of the drivers tested positive and we found out from the trucking companies after they had been at the plant. The truckers weren't wearing masks and the employees who interacted with them weren't either, and we have remained trouble free at our plant. I asked why we were implementing a mask policy now, with nothing but success so far and the response was "all of the other plants have, so we have to get on board".
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If you want to point out the selfish, inconsiderate self entitled that would even consider going out to a public space in rough enough shape to be hacking their lungs up. But of course as long they wear a mask it's ok. So what happened with the order to stay home an isolate when your sick during a pandemic?Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
Funny we are now wearing masks, and the numbers are increasing. Ever wonder why?
The reason why now GW11, is their trying to pull the wool over your faces just like so many others...Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
They promise its only until they have a vaccine available. And so many believe what their promising...lol
There won't be a vaccine. They haven't been successful with any coronavirus so far, so everyone better brace themselves for permanent bylaws on masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
There are 4 different coronaviruses currently associated with the common cold. No vaccine yet available for those either.
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Bingo....we have a winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by GW11
I think I may have posted this in another thread,but,if masks,antibiotics and vaccines could cure a virus,the common cold and all types of well known flu bugs would have been a distant memory decades ago.
Anybody see this police shooting near Haliburton allegedly started with a dispute over masks?
It just mutates into a harsher bug lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
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Well, up here the Temiskaming health unit has just mandated that masks will be mandatory in all public spaces starting July 24, even though Covid has been a non issue. I guess they want to be like the cool kids in southern Ontario.
How are you going to eat at a restaurant now that their opening?......lolQuote:
Originally Posted by delmer
Funny you should say that, as I asked my wife the same question.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I'm sure you'll figure that out. Either way, it beats being fed intravenously in a hospital bed.
The media is trying to make this about masks. What it's about is assault, driving like a maniac, endangering other people and opening fire at the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...te-in-grocery/
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Ontario man dies in police shooting after mask dispute in grocery store
MOLLY HAYESCRIME AND JUSTICE
CHERISE SEUCHARAN
PUBLISHED JULY 16, 2020
UPDATED 11 HOURS AGO
A 73-year-old man was the eighth person to be shot and killed by police in Ontario this year, after a fatal exchange of gunfire outside his rural home in cottage country Wednesday morning.
The man’s encounter with police began at a Valu-Mart grocery store in Minden, Ont., a town two and a half hours north of Toronto, after officers received reports of an “altercation” between the man and a store employee, followed by “assaults” by the man on individuals at the store, after he was asked to put on a mask.
Lynda Easton, owner of Easton’s Valu-Mart, said Thursday that the man had come into the store, and was offered a mask by an employee. He said he didn’t want one, she recalled, and when the employee turned to put the mask away, the man struck him on the back.
“He was not forced to wear a mask, he was asked if he would like one,” said Ms. Easton, who added that the man was then escorted out of the store by another employee. “He then got in his car, hit another vehicle and tried to hit some of my staff who were outside, hit the building and left.”
When police responded, they spotted the man’s vehicle and followed him for a short time, according to the province’s Special Investigations Unit, which is called in to probe any case involving police that ends in serious injury, death or allegations of sexual assault. The officers then headed to the address associated with the vehicle’s plates, on Indian Point Road in the Eagle Lake area, a half-hour drive from the grocery store.
Outside the home, the SIU said, there was a confrontation between the man and two police officers. At one point, the OPP said in a press release Wednesday, the man fired gunshots, and police requested backup.
Two police officers then fired at the man. He was taken to a hospital where he died around 11:45 a.m.
The SIU said Thursday that a semi-automatic rifle and pistol were found at the scene. The two officers’ service weapons were also seized.
Garfield Munshaw, a neighbour, said he heard two “high-powered” gunshots Wednesday morning, [and then drove his car to the end of his driveway to see if everything was okay. There, he said, “police were everywhere.” He said an officer told him there was an active shooter, and to go back inside his house.
“So I came back up to the house and then we heard multiple shots,” he said.
He described his neighbour, whom he believes lived alone, as a recluse.
“He’s been here probably 10 years now across the road from me, and I bet he hasn’t said six words in 10 years,” Mr. Munshaw said. “He was very to himself. He would not mix with people, wouldn’t talk to any of our neighbours ... he just was a very reclusive man.”
What do you supposed they do in the near future with increasing numbers in-line with reopening the economy? Maybe they scale back testing and reporting of cases. The less we know and see the safer we feel. As long as that's what they tell us the sheeple with follow and shame the people...hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Let me get this straight.
Store claims no one forced him to wear a mask.
So man walk into grocery store.
Employee: Good morning sir, can i offer you a mask?
73 yr old man: no I'm not wearing one.
Employee puts mask back.
73 yr old man attacks?
That should take all of five seconds. I'd like to see a video of that altercation if those are the facts the store is claiming.
The store employee was interviewed. That's not how he explained it. He advised the attacker that a mask was required to enter,whereupon the assailant said he didn't have one. The employee offered him a free one. That's when the man became belligerent and attacked him. Another employee escorted the attacker from the store and called Police. Everything went south from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Thanks, that makes more sense. He was being forced to wear one when he entered.
More and more,people are buying into the "freedom" thing. For some,the fuse has been lit. This guy was always regarded as a bit of a "loose cannon" according to his neighbors. It may have been just enough to push him over the edge. I can guarantee one thing,though,if you fire at Police,it ain't gonna end well.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
A bus driver in France was beaten to death after he refused a passenger for not wearing a masks.
Sad .
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Maybe the reason he lived alone was his wife tried to tell him what to do. Start diggin under the shed....:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Pretty much the same thing in small town Michigan. Guy goes off the rails because he wasn’t wearing a mask, elderly customer tells him he needs one, guy stabs customer and takes off. Police stop him, he gets out of his car and charges at the officer holding a big blade and screwdriver.....didn’t end well for him either. This COVID thing is pushing those who are half a bubble off of being level in the first place, to run off the rails. Police are caught in the middle....It’s pretty simple....if the law says to wear a mask...wear the damned mask !!! It certainly won’t hurt !!Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Ohh it hurts some people's pride and ego very much though. Soon there will be Post Traumatic Mask Disorder entered into the DSM for all the antimasker pansies. Years of pain and flashbacks of having to do their part for society. [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Uh oh...better tuck that nose in! Thats not how you wear a mask especially for a photo op with the Premier! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...301a521f5e.jpg
When I originally looked up the Haliburton story, details were incredibly vague. In a nutshell "Man assaults store employees, guns were found, man is dead."
It makes a lot more sense now.
Probably not enough room in the mask for that honker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
According to the CIHI, as of May 25 LTC fatalities accounted for up to 81% of Canadas total.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
https://www.cihi.ca/en/new-analysis-...m-care-impacts
Some people claim that a good ole' gin and tonic will get that much needed quinine into your system.
Masks and dinning out problem solved [emoji1787][emoji23]
https://youtu.be/AxB9IEDIAyA
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Lol had to watch it twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
SARS-MRS2 event was 15 yrs ago or so - we still 56,000,000 million infections to catch up to world wide..... to reach COVIS numbers..... Which, schools, business, were locked down then? - what style of mask were you choosing?
I am mask free, shop where I want, social distance, dont touch face and wash hands (4 months now). I have been to all three levels of government in Ottawa, declare my exemption and carry on.
Most of the negative encounters (and they are not bad), are the poor kids at doors, when I encounter one those kids and declare my exemption - if they look confused, I dont get mad and ask them to get the manager on duty. I then educate the Manager in front the employee and berate him to do better at training his staff - it is not the kids fault that Management is failing them, and not giving them proper training.
If any of you haters on non-mask wearers (I cant even believe I have to say that), dont educate yourself on exemptions, then you only make yourself look..well "stupid" to exemptions, with your comments. If you actually read the exemptions and references the Acts, Ontario Disabilities Act, Privacy act..then maybe you might learn. Also, within (at least Ottawa, Public Health order and now By-Law), contains the wording you cannot be refused, nor challenged to revel, it is an education enforcement order, not even a Judge could compel you in court on by-law infraction to revel reasons why.
So let the compliant sheep OBEY, and those of us who dont need to wear one will carry on.
I live and work in Ottawa, and have had zero issues with the general public, everyone is respectful and a few sideways looks, but that is extent of problems I have encountered. People have been good.
Hey, as long as no one infects me, my family, friends or loved ones, we're all good.
Amen...Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
What will increase the infection risk to you, your family, friends or loved ones is goofs who don't maintain a 2 meter distance or come up with phony excuses not to wear a mask where they are mandatory. They don't care about your health and should be treated accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Baaaaaahhhhh BaaaahhhQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Well, we had a scare in our household. I showed some symptoms so all 3 of us went down and got tested. It’s not a pleasant thing but it’s quick and we had our results in 24 hours. We all tested negative. If any of you are hesitating, don’t. The peace of mind is worth the minimal discomfort. We wear masks, can’t hurt.
Why should I be even wanting an exemption? As the science regarding the virus progresses everyone is now promoting the use of a mask. I have not seen one comment from what I would consider a learned individual in recent weeks that wearing a mask is detrimental to the overall containing of the virus.
How about just using history as an example? Masks didn't work in 1918 either. Most "learned individuals" will tell you that the science is inconclusive on masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Regardless, it's going to be mandatory here in Peterborough as of August 1st. I suppose the bright side is I now have an even better reason not to go shopping.
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At least you can dress-up like a robber when you go to the bank....lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Makes no sense comparing an epidemic which occurred over 100 years ago with the same thing today. It spread to all corners of the globe when the soldiers returned home from the front, all cooped up in ships for weeks at a time. Masks would never have worked in those circumstances even if everyone wore one. Of course there were not any where near the number of doctors we have today to expound on their virtues, thanks to the internet.
We must wear masks....
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/15/a-s...-to-wear-them/
Kind of like it spread all over the globe on airplanes?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Viruses haven't changed in 100 years. If anything, they have an easier time getting around today due to our population density and convenient methods of travel. What we have now is an additional 5 billion virus incubators and a bit more information on how to combat this new virus from 100 years of research and the knowledge we've gained from previous successes and failures, one of those failures being masks.
What it all amounts to is trying to hold back natural selection at work, and the odds are never in our favour.
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Just like bugs, viruses are getting smarter and more resistant to treatment. Seems no two are alike anymore. I won't claim to be an expert on masks but everything I read and hear from doctors is that they're all getting on board about wearing them as this thing progresses. I'm more inclined to believe what doctors are saying rather than any forum experts. Politicians fall into the same category as internet experts as well.
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What about being trained to use a mask properly? Not using them properly is worse than using a mask. We as Canadians many don't know how to use them properly and will result in more people sick because of it.
Places that use masks all the time are properly trained to use them so it benefits them. Here I can see them becoming a problem and cause more infections.
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The idea behind people wearing a Mask in stores etc is not about protecting yourself. It's about protecting others. Anyone and everyone when you cough or even speak you release germs. The mask will protect the person you are near from all of your germs hitting them.
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I do not understand, pleases help me to. Why do people not trust Dr.s at this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Not sure why they don't believe DR's. But it's not a Left or right thing it's both sides.
However Trudeau and Tam did flip flop on most everything. I certainly will not try a Chinese vaccine that the Trudeau government approves. It is already showing up that the Chinese Vaccine doesn't work very well. I will wait until a Western Company finds one. I social distance when shopping (I don't like people I don't know breathing down my neck at the best of times). I have my few friends that I trust and know Social distance heck one lives as a hermit and has only gone to town 3 times since this began.
Actually this pandemic hasn't bother me much other then save me money. I find it great.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Yup, it's like ignorant children ... GUYS WHO GIVES A RATS @$$! You are griping about wearing a piece of cloth on your face like people are sending you to prison. GROW UP! Even if you don't believe it will work, WHO CARES!????? Just wear the damned thing! Humor us! Jeeeezee ... god forbid we ask you to wipe your arse with the skid of toilet paper you are saving in your garage!Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
It's SOOOOOOOOOOO Stupid ... people are on page 29 of comments about a 6 sq inch piece of cloth that you can put over your mouth ....
When you're child is dying of cancer, or you just lost a loved one due to an accident, or lost your job and can't make ends meet .... please, by all means, come here and find your support ... but a mask???
What a bloody bunch of cry babies ... just wear it. Put a skull pattern on it, or a salmon fish kissing you ... have a great time with it, but take your civil rights BS and save it for something important.
Only a couple of people on here refuse to see the light. Selfish people. Look over the past 29 pages ,to see those couple of miscreants.
Some politicians are better than others. Smart leaders like Doug Ford listen to the experts. Dumbasses like Donald Trump ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
The choice each of us has is to accept the domestic and international medical consensus on an evolving clinical issue or listen to libertarian ignoramuses babbling on about "freedom" and making up phony medical exemptions to avoid wearing a mask.
Keep in mind, many of these doctors are the same ones who were pushing for gun bans last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Why are we all so willing to believe what doctors are publicly saying now, but a few short months ago we thought they were quite the bloody ignorant bunch? Sure, doctors should stick to their expertise and "health" should be just that, but I'm not willing to just forget everything they've pushed for in the past and jump on the mask bandwagon.
Ontario case counts are climbing again (over 200 today) how can that be? We're all wearing masks. Ottawa has over 40 new cases and their mask policy was mandated about... 2 weeks ago. Coincidence? Just when people have become used to not touching their faces, we mandate a policy that puts people's hands near and on their faces many times a day.
But alas, what can I possibly know, a mere internet expert...lol
Sawbill, I respect your opinion around here and always have. I'll wear a mask where and when I have to out of respect for you and those who feel better about seeing me in one. I realize my opinion on this topic is largely unpopular. If nothing else I hope people reading what I've posted will be smarter about how they wear and care for their masks, because the potential to do harm to yourself and others is not being discussed publicly and is very real.
MarkB made a fair point, enough is enough. No amount of whining about it here will do any good. It will be the new normal, but I still don't have to like it.
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Dr.s may not know about guns, but they do know about the wounds that they treat, caused by guns. They do know about the transmission of communicable diseases, and the best practices to prevent them. Like the holes caused by guns.
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Appreciate that. We don't like taxes, or getting sick ... or the kids swearing ... it's life ...Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
But on this one, we really have to make sure we are fighting for things that matter ... not a stupid 6 sq inch piece of cloth ... what a waste of the human brain.
The political narrative changed when more information was released, people blaming doctors now who also are learning more about this virus. Alot of people dont trust logic in normal times...bullying around store managers to prove some silly point - right, like thats helping anything or anyone in already stressful times. Immaturity at its best. Global pandemic is a "hoax" to some people. Sad when its a very real reality to others and their loved ones.Quote:
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Hey fish the last time I checked a gun has never wounded anyone or caused any holes In anybody as we all know it takes someone behind the gun to make it bark, so let's blame the people pulling the trigger and not the gun.Quote:
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This tells it all, I’m not overly passionate on either side of the argument but found this funny
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After 30 pages this should be the end note for this thread.Quote:
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Our country banned guns with the advice from doctors and politicians in the name of public safety. Our whole country is seeing how many shootings in the cities are still happening every day. How much safer are we now?... lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Theres already a curable course of action with dirt cheap medication worth about 20$ for Covid-19. Why our doctors and politicians are refusing treatment and instead make us wear masks and allow people to continue to die is beyond me.
No different then diabetes, theres a cure for it, but we dont get it made available to us because that's just how governments work, follow the money...
TB, I totally agree with you. I have guns. I like guns. I hunt with guns and bows. But looking from a DR's point of view , professionally and logically, the best way to prevent gunshot wounds is to remove guns from society.Quote:
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How is that working out in the streets of our cities? If you cant answer that, then that's where our countries problems stem from.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Drugs are banned Fisher, how come the gangsters are still slinging tons and tons of them?
Billions and billions have been spent and decades of work can't even stop the drug trade. Why would it be any different with illegal guns coming across boarders. Yhe World drug trade has set new records for amounts shipped around the world the past few years the demand is to high.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
And the government wont let some of them in as prescriptions, would wipe out alot the pharmaceutical industry lol.
MDMA they are using in studies for PTSD with some great success stories but big pharma says no. To many anti depressants drugs would be wiped off the market. They already use morphine made from heroin poppy lol.
Ps wear a mask unless you fit the exemption list[emoji106]
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LOL, yup, it's the truth ... that should stop the arguing!Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Doctor’s screwups kills more people per year than firearms will ever cause !!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Get shot who are you going to? I hope that with that comment you never have go to a Dr. while in need. Speaking as the father of one...But your assertion could not be backed up with facts. Especially in North America.
Sorry I have no idea how to fix the problem. Just envisioning how any responsible DR. looking at the facts would solve the problem. Remove the guns. I like guns. I would not like to see that happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The data is available. When I get time I’ll get it for you.Quote:
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it took 2 minutes to find this...a lot more info if you wish to check it out....off topic, so if you like, start another thread and get educated !!
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Bingo...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
The fact that they view banning guns as a solution isn’t very convincing. People with scientific training are supposed to see through the issues and assess facts - unfortunately we’re all human and emotions get in the wayQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Sorry sir, I stand corrected, by one site, The CMA would dispute that. I have to ask. Do you go to a Dr. ? For anything? Would you go to the hospital for a gunshot wound, despite the stats? DR's are only saying, the best way to stop gunshot wounds, is to have no guns. If you follow a rational chain of thought, that is the best way to stop gunshot wounds.. I like guns. I would not like that outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
It's simple problem solving. Find the root of the problem and remove or fix it. It's not rocket science, it's common sense. Something that can't seem to be achieved by our standing government.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
C30....Please enlighten me, what is the problem, and how would you fix it?
Put criminals with guns and drugs in jail. Common sense problem solvingQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
There are a few other solutions before banning the gun. Guess they never thought about where they got their guns. Guns and and drugs go hand in hand mostly all illegal firearms will have drugs near by.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
What were they thinking banning guns to stop illegal shootings in town [emoji23] another car got blasted on the 401 seems to be a hwy trend going on the past year several that way .
Now let's get back to mask talk lol.
What kind do you wear ? Mine is just a face cover paid 5 bucks that is supposed to be donated. Looks like old man cloth like 60s material lol. Wife ordered a family set a while ago had to pre order them I haven't seen it yet but she said I will probably hate it lol. It's a surprise [emoji1787][emoji106]
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Fisher, a friend of a younger family member on the wife's side got pinch for pushing coke along with his buddies. Coke, thousands of cash and a couple guns. He doesn't have full citizenship (new Canadian). 21, never worked, why bother drugs pay better.. My bets he won't spend more then a month in jail. We don't need more BLM protests for being cruel.
Black bandana with skull and crossbones. Also we have a bunch of the face scrunchees with skull face bones. As offensive as possible.....bahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Remember the first lockdown - 2 weeks...127 days ago
The new Normal
Remember no masks needed - now masks
The New Normal
Remember Doug Ford the "Conservative" Yesterday - Doug Ford removes Tory legislator from government caucus over emergency powers vote - Belinda Karahalios CON MPP _Emergency Measures indefinite extensions - limitations
The New Normal
Mandatory Vaccines?
The New Normal
Chips?
The New Normal
Cashless Society?
The New Normal
Sheep are trained to accept the new normal all time...just like the population control measures in place, that are scratching away slice by slice our freedoms.
Have you seen the look of fear on kids faces with masks on...answer this - as a parent, if it that dangerous - then why are out with you kid.
If the virus is so deadly - why are not hazmat teams called out to pick up masks and gloves on ground.
Deport him and anyone like him we already have enough problems in Canada and don't need any extra!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
They would never deport them over a little bit drugs . Only time I heard of them deported was for murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Besides it's the third largest substance of Canadians use. Alcohol, cannabis then coke .
Like Canadianman said he wont do very much time. .
The money is what thrives these individuals they can make 300 or 4 hundred dollars in just a few short hours.
The cartel makes billions of dollars annually. I think it was alchapo making something like 300 million a week cash. This is why so many do it the demand is too high the money is phenomenal and it's only run buy a black market business. The price has never changed in 20 years until this pandemic. There is no competition the cartel set the price as it crosses each boarder the price just goes up. Price jumped 20 g a k this year here in Canada because of the pandemic from 50 to 70 thousand. Still though 30 to 40 thousand can be made in profit after some mix .
So many people are ruled by money can you really blame them . If the demand is high and the need is there there will always be huge profits to be made. That will never change ever .
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Nice [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
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No kidding, but that's not how our government works. That's why we have the criminal problems we have in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Unfortunately that is very true. If you're not a Canadian citizen and you break the law you should be deported automatically no second chance. If a person can't follow the laws and contribute in a positive way ship them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Sounds familiar. But don’t let the social justice keyboard warriors on this site hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
.... even those they demand deported.... well there are 34,000 they "lost"
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...dered-deported
... to put that in perspective that's over 11,000 more than Canada's regular military.
68,000 ish regular force members in the military.
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http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/e...nization.page?
- 23,000 members serve as full-time soldiers in the Regular Force
- 19,000 are part-time, volunteer soldiers in the Reserve Force
- including 5,300 Rangers who serve in sparsely settled northern, coastal and isolated areas of Canada
- 3,300 civilian employees who support the Army
- 63 Regular Force and 123 Reserve Force Units in 127 Communities
- 185 Ranger Patrols in 414 Communities
Hey you said military was including the Air Force and Navy!!!
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I did write military, not army ..... I stand corrected on the numbers...
Then the number of people to be deported they have "lost" is equal to 1/2 the regular military ... or 11,000 more than the regular army....34,000
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...dered-deported
https://globalnews.ca/news/7204384/c...ory-holes-sex/
Mask or not, ya can’t get safe enough these days
You just can't make this stuff up! Hahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
My wife's a bit upset, she just caught me chiseling out a hole in the drywall.....
bahahaha! do you have to make multiple holes for each time or can you reuse the same hole? ...jeez 2020 is alot harder then I thought it would be [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveBates
LOL It's been a while for me. I don't need a chisel.:joker:Quote:
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Hahahahhaha....Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Reduce,re-use,recycle...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
I’m not that old and I can’t believe I find myself saying “gee we never saw stuff like that in the news when I was growing up....”
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Ask this guy about masks
We can always watch this guy. He seems to have the idea.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cT...3RyYYTDf1WE_4A
Thats awesome lolQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
We started back in March on our own. There are no sheep in this family. We did research and looked at Asian countries and how they deal with the pandemics they seem to get fairly regularly and for the most part they don’t need to DESTROY the economy. They have integrated mask wearing into their culture out of respect for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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We are in the same public health unit and going into the third week of Phase 3. Infection rate increases continue to decline while the economy opens up. People wearing masks helps make that happen.Quote:
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For the ones do not belive in the mask-thanx for postingQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Yes...just please get on the train..it will take you to a good place...
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Originally Posted by MarkB
I am happy to be one those miscreants you label. You on the other hand are one the most state sponsored, state controlled, state compliant, people I have ever encountered. I bet in medieval times, you would have been proud to light the bundle of tinder under a "witch"...….. because the state told you she was a witch.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Who walks around sneezing directly at other people? Let's try the ether test with him spraying it on the inside of his arm. Don't most now cover their mouth to cough or sneeze?Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Do I wear a mask, yes. I don't have much in the way of health concern to stop me. Would I ever be so ignorant as to call out a stranger for not wearing one, no and anyone who would should get their arse handed to them, until you go through what every other person has you have no right to tell them what to wear. If you are that terrified of this bug you should have been prepared and locked yourself away.
This society we live in of running our mouths can only lead us in one direction.
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Anti-maskers are in the minority in Canada.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...down-if-covid/
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The same survey also found a very strong majority – nearly nine in 10 – signalling some measure of support for wearing masks in indoor public spaces. Seventy-two per cent of respondents said they would support this and another 15 per cent said they would somewhat support it. Just 8 per cent opposed the idea and another 4 per cent somewhat opposed it. Two per cent were unsure.
Just like our government a minority lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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I am sure most people agree about wearing masks but surveys can be adjusted to get the results you are looking for..... The same question in downtown Toronto or any major (urban) city for that matter wouldn't necessary give you the same results as asking the same question to rural residents..... Just saying, surveys (a lot of times) are done in a way to justify the results one is looking for......Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
But all riders must wear a maskAttachment 40624:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Here's my new mask lol.
Kinda looks like me too it's very fitting for me haha . Except for the sleep I do not nap and lucky to get 6 hr of zzz's lol.
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That comment even in jest, is uncalled for and hurtful. Things like that come out of your mouth, and you want people to vote for you? Shameful.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Was his comment so offensive it hurt your feelings?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Shameful is what we have for a PM in this country. Shameful are the people who support a corrupt government
More BS, Ontario numbers have increased in just the last 24hrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
No. I can see how upsetting it would be to someone who lost family members in the Holocaust. It is an uncaring, stupid comment. Especially from someone running for public office. If the libertarians have anyone to replace him, ( I doubt it), they should. Anyone else running for election in his riding, should bring his comment up for discussion, at the next all candidates meeting. He has lost the Jewish vote, and anyone else with common decency.
That's because they didn't report yesterday because of the holiday. Today's new cases represent 2 days worth. 179 cases over 2 days or less than 100 per day. More or less average for the last few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Nice weather and people being outside much of the time is making that happen. We'll see how masks hold up this fall when the weather cools down and everyone is inside again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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If he meant it as a comparison to the Holocaust you are correct. Ideology aside he is generally one of the most respectful dissenters on this forum. Based on his history I would give him the benefit of the doubt until I had reason to believe otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
IF......? Sorry but that comment, could not be taken any other way.
The meaning of the comment yes. Lots of people however use expressions without full understanding of their origins. Happens all the time. Doesn't justify it but can often mean there was no malicious intentQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Given his track record I have a hard time believing he meant it maliciously
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There is no other way to take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Where is the shame for the selfish people who are sick and not staying home, instead just wearing a mask and now it's ok to cough and sneeze all you want. Sad 4 months ago the shame was on anybody sick leaving their home. Now its a-ok, be sick as you want, do as you please go out and about, just wear a mask....
I'm fairly certain you have got that all wrong and twisted up. Nobody has said if you're sick its ok to just wear a mask, nobody maybe except you in that statement alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
This is the problem with social media, the misinformation thats spread is dangerously irresponsible. Focusing on one or two non compliant holier then thou's on here makes it seem like many people disagree but statistics show anti maskers are a very small minority. Get over your ego or dont, the rest of us dont care, just stay away if you dont have a mask on.
Might have thought this would have gotten through to everyone by now but apparently some people need to be told again that you can spread the virus and not be sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The whole reason for masks is for sick people who are coughing and sneezing. Why not tell us why those sick people are not isolating, instead now it's ok for them to be out in public coughing and sneezing as long as they wear a mask? Stay on the subject, people who are not sick but carriers are not coughing and sneezing in public, big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
[QUOTE=canadaman30;1119970]The whole reason for masks is for sick people who are coughing and sneezing. Why not tell us why those sick people are not isolating, instead now it's ok for them to be out in public coughing and sneezing as long as they wear a mask?
This is the first time I've heard this take on wearing a mask. I've always understood that everyone should be accommodating enough to wear one regardless of their state of health. And yeah, if you are suffering from a cold or whatever then go that extra step and restrict your shopping or socializing to a minimum. After all what's the big deal to put one on for the short time you're actually in a store shopping.
Dr tam now says it could take years 2 or 3 years before it gets any better and these measures in place could be a new trend for several years. Even with vaccines
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-tam-1.5050584
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People who test positive for COVID-19 are required to isolate under the Public Health and Protection Act in Ontario. It is not "okay" for them to be out in public even if they have a mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The reason to wear a mask is to reduce the spread of the virus by people who don't know they have it and are not showing symptoms.
This :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
And those people are not coughing or sneezing on people in public. If the whole reason to wear a mask is for people coughing and sneezing, then how are those carriers spreading the virus, and what does a mask do for them or others?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
How much enforcement is there under the health act to isolate? I bet about as much as good as your mask is doing
I bet a lot of the pro maskers think vaccines will be the solution to no more masks...lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Enforcement must be reasonably effective because new cases are decreasing despite the economy being more open. The fine for breaking a public health order in Ontario up to $5,000 per instance. If you are quarantined under the federal health act it's $750,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The reason to wear a mask is to reduce the spread of the virus by people who don't know they have it and are not showing symptoms. Laws are passed requiring masks in indoor public places because they are slow learners among us who despite repeated explanations are evidently too dense to understand the reason why masks should be worn.
And once again I'll ask you...…..where do you get this idea from? That's not the reason whatsoever. You keep making up generalities to support your reason not to wear a mask. Same thing with your comment about pro maskers think the vaccine will be the solution to no more masks. Another fictitious comment with no basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
If I was to jump on the train full of in favor of wearing masks, who else on this train can tell me when vaccines are made available for all, what effect will it have on wearing masks?
Well, if nobody tosses you off this so-called train, I suspect that if eventually developed, any vaccine will probably only be part of the ultimate solution, not the cure all.
Most likely a vaccine will not be ready until late Summer of 2021 at best. They can only rush so much. Even once they do find a treatment you cannot just produce millions of doses over night. It takes months just to gear up before you can actually start producing. I think early 2022 is probably when they might have something out, that's assuming we can even find a vaccine.
The current idea behind the masks is not to protect you but to protect others from you. There have been numerous people found to have Covid and show no symptoms, the mask will help prevent you from spraying people when you talk, no it's not perfect but it will help.
That’s what the professionals are saying now. This could be the new normal....even with a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Until a vaccine is developed no one can answer your question. Come back when a vaccine is developed and widely available.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Nobody is required to vaccinate, what difference will it make?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Vaccine is available now. Get it at the LCBO. Called Forty Creek. For it to remain effective you have to take several doses a day forever. Also requires extra doses on the weekends. Immune response is enhanced if combined with Cohibas. Best part is the more you vaccinate the less you care about your mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Great, glory holes and put a mask on her face for safe sex with a stranger will be the new normal.:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Hey, think of the trees I will save if she's got a mask, no more paper bags!Quote:
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Forty Creek.....man after my own heart !!!! Best vaccine going !Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Maybe she would feel special if you used a bag instead of a mask like everyone else does..Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
Mark this down. I agree with GW on this one. He has got it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Do you or your family get the flu shot each year? Just asking. I worked for over 30 years in LTC, and you could not come to work ,if there was a flu outbreak in the home, if you had not had your flu 'shot'. We had over 95% compliance in the facility, of those 'choosing', the vaccination. That is everyone who works in the facility. Housekeeping ,dietary, nursing , recreation, physio, religious studies, maintenance, volunteers. Everyone who wanted to enter the building besides family members. We could not enforce that rule with them but, we could 'persuade' them not to enter during an outbreak.Quote:
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......Or those around you. Great ..... if...your like minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
What difference will it make with wearing masks Fishermcann, nobody is required to vaccinate?
Social distancing, and wearing a mask indoors, has been no impediment to the joy I find in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Required no. Of the people I know and associate with , I would bet about 80-90% of them get the flu shot every year. Mandated no, but some people are proactive in protecting themselves, and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Why won't you answer the question I asked, you quoted?. Still waiting..Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Impossible for me to to answer, except most reputable heath professionals would recommend it. I am no expert , I am just repeating what the experts are saying on what to do in the best interest of society as a whole. How about implementing the policy where I worked, 'for the greater good', no shot no work? You keep asking questions about what I would do , how about you, would you just let nature take it's course? Chips fall where they may? I answered you.. so I asked you previously, 'do you or your family get the flu shot every year?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I ordered a half dozen assorted fishing buffs for both me and the Mrs. I got two from Harley-Davidson with skull teeth on them that the kids love. The rest are Mossy Oak,snow camo and TA-TA-TA-TAAAAA.........Canadian and US flags (wife demanded equal representation). Screw it,I'm using them all when going into the store line ups. I can't breath through surgical masks for more than 5 minutes. I hate them with a passion. If the sole purpose of a mask (supposedly) is to keep me from spittin' and slobberin', they work perfectly. Besides,they shut the snowflakes up.
T....So are some of your compatriots on here going to call you a sheep for, 'doing the right thing', no matter for whatever reason you may justify it (snowflakes), I would say the snowflakes are the ones complaining about the 'new normal'..... but that might be another thread........ or is that sheep comment reserved for,'others'?
Careful, you may hurt some feelings..:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Your such a flake to deny that this occurred under the same actions that are occurring right now. Take your hurt feelings elsewhere. If we dont remind people of the past and what occurred....then we are doomed to repeat it..
Nice try to shame truth. but that is what the left does. I expect people to vote for with an untarnished truth in speaking. If they dont, great, that is their choice.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
History as we know it is changing ,the truth hurts so change it lol. That's what its coming down to . If the history is offensive it must be erased so the softer people and new generations are not offended by what happens decades or centuries ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I also agree that it should be told not erased, as they say history will repeat itself. When forgotten it will happen again.
Better yet to make people happy just erase the entire German history never to speak of it again [emoji1787][emoji1787]. Hiding the truth and past is never a good thing yet some will disagree. Even the name Hitler will offend someone you cant hide the past ,what happened, happened nothing we can do about it.
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This is why Libertarians don't make any progress. They will equate a requirement to wear masks during a pandemic with the Holocaust. It's just another moronic observation from a tiny and insignificant group of imbeciles, misfits and malcontents who deserve unremitting ridicule.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052