I`m looking for a spring bear hunt outfitter having a hard time finding one any recommendations for a fellow hunter ?
Post here of PM me
Thanks Joe
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I`m looking for a spring bear hunt outfitter having a hard time finding one any recommendations for a fellow hunter ?
Post here of PM me
Thanks Joe
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http://www.camphorizon.ca/bear.html
seen them posted on kijiji this spring... never dealt with them or heard anything about them though...
Try Kipawa Lodge in Quebec. Lots of bears over there!
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Originally Posted by jim
Paul runs a great place
Funny was going to post a thread asking same question
Call Ronald St.Louis in White River Ontario. You will be more than happy with him.
Taggert's Bay Lodge in Laniel Quebec, about 4.5 hours from Barrie. We fished out of there for several years and his bear hunters always done well, also the fishing is good.
Thanks Guys I have been looking for a reliable outfitter for about a week now . I think that the announcement by the MNR caught a lot of the hunt camps unprepared . Steve I looked at your sight NICE I thought I might see a camp there thanks .Quebec is a great place to hunt as well as New Brunswick I have hunted in both provinces and enjoyed there hospitality ; but I like to stay in Ontario . I saw one outfitter who posted in our OOD Mag classified but have not had a response to my email I think they are based out of the states . Hopefully some of our members will weigh in in this thread
Joe :thumbup:
Hi Woody..............is there a web sight or addressQuote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
Joe
Should be Joe but I don't have it. It was owned by Peter Jones, Superior Bear Baiters, now owned by Ronald. His phone number is 807 822 1986. Super good guy
Thanks Woody for the quick response I just did a quick search on Google is this the place "Quote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
Hillsport Hillton "
Just wondering if they do a spring bear hunt
Thanks again
Joe
Nope, not Hilsport, that is nw of Manitouwadge, White River, 3 hours north of the Sault
You might try sending a PM to a member of this board who goes by Ontario Hunter. He is
http://www.realtree.com/adrian-j-hare
I haven't used his services but I have read good things in some forums. I have met Adrian a couple of times and he is a real good guy.
EDIT: I'm not sure if Adrian guides in areas where the spring bear hunt is currently limited to.
OK Woody i`ll call your friend tomorrow
Joe
Smallgamer .............every post I get gets me closer to a successful hunt i`m really revved up for another spring bear hunt .
Thanks Joe
I'm looking forward to hearing about it afterward. I have never hunted bears nor have I really ever desired to. But lately I've been thinking about it. Let us know who you book and have a great hunt!Quote:
Originally Posted by joe171
Smallgamer.... every hunt for me is a great hunt ; and I will post what camp I decide on hopefully it will help someone else as well .Quote:
Originally Posted by smallgamer
I find can`t loose with the members here it`s just a matter of time
Joe
Thank You Glo for the PM
Joe
GEEZZZ.............last 2/3 weeks I have sent out more the 50 emails to different Ontario hunt camp operators only had back 8 reply s can`t figure out whats up with our hunt camps it`t beyond me ...:confused:
I thought for sure posting on this sight I would have had more success
Joe
Americans pay more...?
Exactly correct
American pay more and can't movements into their BMA either.
I thought they were all down south this time of year....spending all that money they made up here.. :)
Number of reasons: They want groups, not individuals.
Outfitters prefer non-residents especially if the exchange rate is significant.
They don't want resident hunters because logistically can return the following season and hunt right beside the bait they've established through the years w/o using their fascilities.
Many don't want archery hunters which require much more work for the set-up, increased tracking and more lost bears....and many owners do go south for the warmer climate so don't respond to enquiries til they back to Ontario.
well they may cater to americans in the fall, but they cant currently cater to them in the spring ;)
http://files.ontario.ca/environment-...ife/239850.pdf
They are all heading south because they are Americans and their homes in the States are their permanent residences. But be sure they will be back in the spring with their hands out to receive all of their allotted tags and other perks from the MNR, which they then sell for high prices to their clientele. These outfitters are hand fed by the MNR, whereas the Ontario hunting community will be back on this forum again next fall complaining about why the moose tag allotment is so screwed up and we in Ontario can't get adult tags. One perk they receive is that more access roads are being closed each year to protect fishing hunting areas only for these outfitters.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
sorry but this thread is about bear outfitters not moose outfitters with lodges. An bear outfitter has the same problems getting into their BMA as the regular Hunter. Their not allowed to touch the roads,if they do their's a much larger find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxx
not sure where your able to travel too but the Vancouver Island black bear population is plentiful and some serious big bears out there....
Joe, don't know if you are still looking or not, I hunted with Peter Martin in Kapuskasing last year and got this guy. Good outfit and some really nice bears!
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O YAH........... i`m still looking KMG LOL is Peter Martin open for a spring bear hunt ? I like the KAP aria lots of good bushQuote:
Originally Posted by KMG Canada
For me the issue is finding an outfitter for a spring bear hunt if I hunt in the fall it is
" Hunting Unlimited "
Thanks Joe ;)
Joe, good luck in the search. He opened up last year in the spring, I am assuming he is this year as well, even if his site doesn't show it. Next time I see him it will be for wolf!
http://www.kapriveroutfitters.ca/bear.html
I will be calling Peter soon i`m on his sight right now as I type ; there is no mention of a spring bear hunt as I said I will call and see .Quote:
Originally Posted by KMG Canada
Wolf hunt sounds like fun I wish you a successful hunt and would like to here how it goes , please pose some pictures I will be looking for a post
Thanks Joe
hey guys why are we even wasting our time trying to bring back the spring bear hunt in Ontario when some you guys are promoting Quebec
good for you Joe you want to hunt in Ontario
none your statement is correctQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
North River outfitter takes individual person, charges on Canadian money, they do take resident, only takes archery hunters, and I do live in Sudbury for the last 30 years
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HI Skull ........Hi Skull thanks for the heads up on North River Outfitters :) could you please post a link for us southern guys LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by skull
Thanks Joe :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by joe171
No problem Joe
It isn't such a thing south north east west guys we are all Ontario resident :thumbup:
Let's keep fighting for our spring bear hunt is going to happen if we all stay together
www.northriveroutfitters.com
Skull........... I'm with you but when I say southern guy I mean we don`t know as much as you men living and working and : hunting that northern aria where you guy`s live > And YES it`s all about Ontario ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
Thanks Skull Joe
(None of your statement is correct).......Okaaay!
Skull, you and I have butted heads in the past over the spring bear hunt and regardless of your feelings, I do know what I'm talking about.
Outfitters are in the business of making money. That's it! Bottom line! Tying up 1 cabin for 1 hunter for 1 week does not make them any money. Archery hunters almost invariably have to track their animal. That takes time and therefore ups the costs. Numbers of bears lost to archery compared to rifle increase and that costs in lost ' inventory'. Whether you like archery or not, That's fact.
They're also reluctant to take on locals because locals are known to move in on baitsites in following years.
For the most part, outfitters who do welcome archery hunters or are willing to take one single hunter are either just starting out and hoping to build up their clientele OR are established and offer such poor services or poor poor bear success that their clients don't return. Usually their websites are full of exaggerated claims of numbers of bears taken along with exaggerated sizes.
Sorry, but I won't continue to debate these points with you but instead will let the folks on the board come to their own conclusions.
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Originally Posted by sawbill
sawbill
First of all, I'm trying to help promote our spring bear hunt to the members of this forum where there are single hunter or group hunters.
And your statement saying that outfitter that they take single Hunter and archery hunter to build up their business, that is poor judgment.
How can you even say something like that about an outfitter?
And the way I look at it, a bad shot is a bad shot. Does it matter if it is a gun hunt or bow hunt
If you think that somebody can go and sit on one of my bait sites without my permission, I will not really recommend it.
I'm not here to butt heads with anybody, I just don't agree with some of your statements.
I agree with you to let the folks of the forum to come to their own conclusions.
This time I must agree with SKull, the only reason outfitters are hesitant about taking on a single person is their safety. If there are two people then they know each others plans for the day either hunting or fishing. We set our bear sites up for archery and adjust them for gun hunters.
sawbill guides bear hunts so I think he knows what he's talking about. He's probably spent more time in the bush in one year that skull has in his life.
I would trust sawbill, but then again I know him personally!
Roe+
Roe do you know me? No you don't...so how can make a statement like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roe+
Trying to help and back up your friend's comment I understand.
If sawbill is the guy that I think he is, he should stop criticizing Ontario outfitters and try to help residents on the spring hunt. So far he hasn't done anything useful.
If he guides for bear hunters, he should speak up for himself and his business and not for other Ontario outfitters. I can reassure you that there are a lot of good outfitters out there.
You don't know me either and you're talking about a man whose spent his whole working life in the bush as a CO, so I would trust what he says because he's been there and seen that.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
Roe+
Not true. The major reason outfitters don't take ontario residence is because they had bad experience with slob hunters, who book one year and moved their group in the next. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by gowbushkon
Yes, Roe+ , you're right I don't know you, that's why I never put any negative comments about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roe+
But you did put negative comments about me without knowing me too.
And yes now I know I'm right and I know who sawbill is.
Tell Mr. Ken I will not be going to shoot all his bears. There are plenty of them for everybody.
and for a ex CO commenting like that about outfitters, shame on you.
Skull is a very reputable bear outfitter. You will be very happy booking a spring bear hunt with him.
Roe you should be ashamed of yourself talking about bear hunting outfitters like that. I bet you lost your job as a C.O.!! I come into contact with C.O.'s on a daily basis, including retired C.O.'s. NONE are as unprofessional as you.
Sawbill, you should be banned from this forum. Moderators never talk the way you do.
Sawbill, like the other forums you visit, you act quite immature. You would be the last person anyone would think of as a bear outfitter. Your negative comments about Ontario Outfitters prove your lack of bear hunting knowledge. GROW UP and act like the moderator!!!
Sawbill, working for a bear outfitter for a year or 2 does NOT make you a bear guide.
Good first post Chris.
Lots of valuable, accurate info contained within.
Thinking that because someone was a CO makes them an expert at hunting is an uneducated response IMOP.
I have met enough CO's who didn't have a clue but Im not saying that about sawbill. Never met the man but I wont call him an expert as well.
lol my thoughts exactly...Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
this bear was taken by a archer hunting one of my baits
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Originally Posted by chris lavoie
never found the bear to take a pic... hence why some outfitters are hesiatant to take on bow hunters... not saying that they alll wont, but some dont like to, but most will accomodate... i think that is more or less the point sawbill was making...
also like he said, why alot of outfitters wont take on a local is it is easy for the local now to mark the spot on gps, toss a bait close by to the outfitter, let him do all the work, and the local reaps the rewards. same problem i had this year, dude sets up a bait less than a 100 yards from my bait, on the same trail
That was a beautiful bit of baiting right there. Nearly walked into it myself. Had the "you forgot the pic" typed up and the light went on just when I reached for the mouse to click post.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishy steve
Beauty.
Hey Chris
what's your biggest bear up your way skull size
this is my biggest bear
21" skull 20+ Old
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps96cc6b6c.jpg
Many Ontario outfitters are in it just to fill their cabins. Hunters need to do their homework before booking a bear hunt, archery or not. There are genuine archery bear hunting outfitters in Ontario. Skull is one of those genuine archery bear outfitters!!
Also a few guys will work for a bear outfitter once or twice and call them self a bear guide!!
Skull, largest this year was just over 21".
Fishy, are you an outfitter??
no just bait for myself and a buddy... but spent a couple years working with a great bear guide herman stroeher.
so do you welcome a local into your camp? if hes only one person booking a bear/wolf/deer hunt? or do you prefer americans?
Out of the group of hunters each week, we have a hunter hunting on his own. Never, in 40 years, have we had a resident bear hunter in camp. We are 1200 miles from Toronto, why travel this far when they can hunt their back yards for bears. I take resident deer hunters.
That is totally despicable. If I got it right, this guy is a local who knew where your bait was and set up that close? What an arse. I would be livid. Any chance you could at least talk to the jerk? I can think of a few things I'd like to do if in your shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishy steve
Cheers
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Originally Posted by smitty55
ya i know who it was... followed his atv tracks to his house one day... my bait site is easy to find, so he knew full out what he was doing... such is crown land hunting, and being sucessfull in a area for a few years, why i now have a bait site that even my buddy dosent know about ;) lol i tagged out early as i normally do, so he really wasnt a hinderance to me, i only ever seen him go to the stand once while i was down there, i drove my atv up to his, but didnt go any further, as i was over it at that point and didnt wanna destroy his hunt... plus i prefer not to have encounters with people who are holding high powered rifles lol
A legal contract can be written up by a lawyer, that a resident bear hunter must sign when contracting a bear outfitter, stating he will not in the future, bait on his own within, say, 5 miles of any bait site, of the outfitter he contracted to bear hunt with.
I was confronted last night by this fellow that guides for an Outfitter. Maybe worth looking into as they have large bears in their BMU as well and its not over hunted.
Nakina area
James Hurlehey
705-428-5708
With all the years I have been hunting I only had one guy moving in close to my baitQuote:
Originally Posted by chris lavoie
I wrote my own legal contract and I put it on his truck windshield
never saw him again
Any such document would hold no water as an outfitter does not own the land and therefore cannot control where an individual hunts or travels on any crown land within his licence. The prospective hunter has no obligation to sign it so the only recourse would be that the outfitter does not take the resident on as a client.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lavoie
Encroachment by residents was never a serious problem with BMAs that were out any distance from the built up areas as is yours. It remains a problem for those outfitters whose BMAS surround the city and towns. A guy wont drive an hour to hunt when he can leave his house and be hunting 5 or 10 miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
Saw bill, it actually does hold water in a court of law.
I take resident deer hunters here. I have yet to have a past deer hunting resident client come back on his own and hunt my bait sites. I have full respect of the resident hunter. After all it is the residents resources us outfitters are using.
I have been to hundreds of sports shows advertising my camp and what it offers. Too many times I see Ontario camps false advertising their hunts. Such as: Saying they have 30 years experience bear hunting. Meanwhile the camp owner just bought his camp the year before.
One thing I tell my potential clients is that I am a Full Time Canadian resident. I live in Ontario year round within my 9 bear management areas.
There are many instances where Ontario outfitters live and are residences of the U.S. They fill their camp of bear hunters and fishermen. Some of these outfitters find out after they book their camp up that they cannot cross into Canada to run their camps because of past or new criminal records. Two outfitters alone in this area are in that predicament. Their booked clients lost their deposits unfortunately. Lots to think of when booking a hunt with an outfitter.
I'd like to see that contract.?? Poachers,trespass on private property and their not going to set up near an outfitter?? Who to say ,they won't pass the location on to other poachers.