Hi there, can someone please confirm if this is correct? I was under the impression permethrin is the most effective deterrent against ticks yet Health Canada has banned this for being to strong...how is this possible or even allowed. Yet there concerned about Lyme disease on the rise...no if you can't protect yourself when outdoors :whacked:
If this isn't the case can someone point me in the right direction (Toronto area) or pm
Thx
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I see it in a lot of the stuff on the shelves.
thank you sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter1
TSC has some sprays that contain it.
I get mine from the usa. sawyer premium .it comes with 98.11 percent deet.it is 100 times stronger than what we can get here.snd works very well against ticks.i hunt turkey late season almost every day and have not had a tick on myself yet.when others I am with have pulled them off themselves. Great stuff.i am not sure why we are so limited on canada.D
Like Dutchhunter said, Sawyers works great. I picked mine up at Cabelas in Michigan. I hear you can pick something like it at farming stores or TSC as a repelant spray for horses.
It's illegal to sell products containing it use on 'Humans' in Canada, but not the US, but many animal products contain it are sold here.
As mentioned there are a few horse care products sold at TSC that contain it and they work great on you and your pets.
http://absorbine.com/assets/img/prod...Control_EX.jpg
http://absorbine.com/products/fly-co...ultrashield-ex
I've have read somewhere but can't remember, a test study was done they sprayed deet on a piece clothing and left it wet and let a tick go on it. The tick was crawling around for a long time. But with the permethrin it stop instantly and fell off. I will try and find it and will post article. Also Permethrin will last a week or more without applying again.
from what I read on the product details of the one sold in Ontario (like the one mentioned in the links above) and the Sawyers permethrin that's sold in the states is that they contain the identical amounts or percentages of permethrin. The only real difference was in the descriptions. The Canadian product say for pets, animals and as a premise spray where the Sawyers product says for clothing, tents and gear.
I found this info and application video on the Sawyers website and thought it had some good info. Hopefully this link works.
https://vimeo.com/39012753
And NOT to be found in a store near you (Canada)...
Deffinetly not in a store in Canada, but considering it has the same amount permethrin as the UltraShield EX that was posted earlier and is sold in Canada it gives one an idea of the application process and what permethrin is derived from.
X2 on the UltraShield EX sold at TSC, I use it on my clothe's and dog. Works great.
Premium stuff will last the entire season, it has written in the bottle 4-6 washes before reapplication is required.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom gobble
Was this the report...Quote:
Originally Posted by tom gobble
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The Minnesota Insect-Borne Disease Education Council conducted a field test in Jay Cook State Park in northern Minnesota, and found that the permethrin products outperformed the DEET-containing tick repellents. A shoe was sprayed with Duranon (0.5% permethrin). Three weeks later, it was tested against a recently sprayed shoe using Deep Woods Off (35 % DEET). Ticks that made contact with the Duranon-sprayed shoe immediately rolled up and dropped off. Ticks on the soaking-wet DEET saturated shoe continued to crawl unimpaired.
http://www.lymeneteurope.org/info/de...tick-repellent
Sorry, I should have added my appreciation for the link...it is a good video to inform you about permethrin and how to apply it. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by matitude
That might me the one (MikePal) ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Does anyone know of a brand with out the citronella scent?
Sawyers has no scent once it dries, but you have to get it from the States or I think somebody said amazon earlier in this treadQuote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
That video provided great info. Thanks for posting it matitude.
Amazon has it but will not ship it to Canada. Already tried. Phoned some big outlets and they won't either. Thanks for the info about getting something similar at tsc will be picking up a bottle this weekend. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by matitude
Keep in mind that products for horses can be scented. For example, the product listed on TSC website says that it has a citronella scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost1324
Found this stuff on their website that was about all
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Turkeys won't smell me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
I was looking under Equine which has more choices and bigger bottles, but they all seem to be scented. I found the dog spray that you linked on the website just now; I wonder how many articles of clothing that would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost1324
True enough. I was thinking about archery deer for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost1324
I think I am going to give it a shot. I'll post a review if I grow a third eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
https://www.amazon.ca/Other-BC825669...rds=permethrin
I found this on Amazon.ca, it looks like you just mix it 20:1 to get the 0.5% dilution that Sawyers has.
Also, I just learned that ThermaCell uses Allethrin which is a synthetic pyrethrin.
The one from Amazon will prob have no scent for bow hunt. I have a thermacell for mosquitoes works great. I just hate them damn ticks. Find one on you and you all of a sudden seem to feel a bunch of them crawling on yah. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
If you're in the US take a look at Walmart for this stuff.....$10 a can and unscented.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...SR160,160_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...JX85QYHRW09ND7
What's even more interesting is Nix shampoo for head lice has permetherin as the main ingredient. So if it's safe enough to put on children's heads, why can't we put it on our clothes? Someone told me once the approval process is manufacturer driven and if the manufacturer doesn't push for an approval it won't happen. One would think with the serious problem in Ontario, the government would push for this though.
I checked it out Saturday as I seen it behind the country well waiting on something else. I asked the pharmacist about it . It only has 5 percent. .so it is very week. Compared to the stuff we get from the Usa 95 percent. DutchQuote:
Originally Posted by scribe
Got my sawyers spray in today. Got the 4 pack. Cost 50 bucks for shipping but already had ticks on me so it will be worth it.
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I have used the 10% permethrin for a few years now. I used it in South Africa on a plains game hunt and I saturate my turkey hunting clothes with it. I don't use these clothes for deer hunting as they have a slight smell to them. I mix 8oz of 10% permethrin with 1gal of water. put my clothes into a pail and let sit for 2 hours then hang dry. The left over mixture goes into a spray bottle and I touch up my boots and vest before I go into the bush. I use to come home with up to 5 ticks at a time but now I haven't had any. This week I sat in my blind and watched 2 ticks crawling in the dried leaves so there are lots where I hunt. If you wanted you could spray your blind and the ground inside. I order the 10% from amazon.ca the shipping is almost as much as the bottle but it will last 2 or 3 years.
Thanks for the info I will have to look into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by deerhnter
I ordered two pints the other week. Glad to hear it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by deerhnter
I called my Co-op this week and the sell ready to use 1liter jugs for $10.
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I hate ticks, I have a spot that if you were to go to now you would come out with a dozen on you. I only hunt it the first of the season when it is cold. I have basically given up on this spot as a big tom not worth getting sick. I have bought a spray can as well but decided just to hunt some where else. I have also given up hunting ducks in one spot as well because of the large number of ticks. Getting worse all the time, might have to start spraying my clothes and the dog.
Since I have sprayed mine with sawyer I have not had a single one on me. Went out yesterday and buddy who doesn't spray his clothes had 3 on him. The sawyer's spray works
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Veto Equine is another one, 0.1% permethrin ready to use 1l, should be Co-op, TSC, local Farm Vet clinic, Tack shops. should be under $15 would likely use it on clothes/boots every time out due to the lower percentage that pre soak clothes in it
http://en.unimat.ca/agriculture/agri...to-equine.html
I have a DEET spray that I picked up from LeBaron, but I was thinking about taking a drive out to TSC to buy some spray with Permethrin. My only concern is the citronella scent because I use the same clothes for deer hunting in the fall. If I spray my clothes and then wash them after turkey season closes, will I need to worry about any lingering scents for deer season?
Just stay down wind when you deer hunt. You can wear the wife's perfume & kill a deer if you stay down wind... :)
LOL. Best advice ever! I'll just give it a go and see how it works out. I'll give it the sniff test after washing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
In case anyone is interested, if you cant make it to rhe US for Sawyers or other Permethrin products, this is Gordon's Permethrin 10. Dilute it and make your own spray.
PBI GORDON CORP Permethrin-10 Horse, Livestock & Premise Spray, 1-Gal. Concentrate https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00EE17S9C/..._X426ybMKD872W
Good advice...you can buy it like that a most Livestock feed stores in Ont. Lots of farmers buy it like that for the sprayer and the do the outside of the barn and building foundations. Keeps all the crawling insects out. Take some out and spray the area around your Turkey Blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
Here's a 5% product on sale at TSC right now.
http://www.tscstores.com/3785L-BOSS-...DE-P36947.aspx
If you are near a US border, then this service might interest you. It is supposed to last up to 70 washes.
http://www.tickencounter.org/prevent...ur_own_clothes
I just called Insect Shield to check - they can receive and ship back the Insect Shield treated clothes from Canadian addresses. They don't have PHAC approval to ship Insect Shield garments from their web store, but they do have approval to send back your now-protected clothes.
So, you don't have to use a US border store to take advantage of that service after all.
I spray my tall-boots and dog kennel with permethrin during the active months. For daily outings, I'm going to grab some Icaridin based sprays, since they are safer for my kids than DEET at the effective concentrations.
That University of Rhode Island site also has some videos for those treating their own clothes with permethrin at home, including a video showing how well permethrin repels & kills ticks.
http://www.tickencounter.org/prevent...pellent_videos
Thanks, very useful information. I need to get a bottle from TSC, used up one from last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
Found my first tick on the 14th. Female American Dog Tick.
It was sure moving fast in the 9C evening.
The permethrin is on the dogs, boots, and the kennel now!
I picked up a 32 oz jug of concentrate Permrethrin in the States (Amazon.Com) for 25.00. Mix 2 oz to 1 us gallon of water to make .5 % solution....the same as the Sawyers stuff only a lot cheaper.
That's a good price. How much was shipping and duties?
Shipping was free, no duty or tax. I have stuff sent to our mailbox in Port Huron, they don't very often charge tax at the border for stuff under 100.00. We just have to go over and pick it up.....get gas and out for supper!!Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
i just bought 2 cans of it from our local guy here in Chatham.. they have people that swear by this stuff.. going to be nice to go into the bush this season and not be overly worried about bringing back a bunch of ticks
i wouldn't worry about it.. from what i researched, one treatment will last UP TO 40 days.. so, any odor should be long gone by the start of deer season... if you are worried, put your clothes in a garbage bag or use a large tote with a lid if you have one available, and place a couple pine branches or spruce branches in with your clothes and leave them in there for a few weeks... that will "soak" your clothes back up with the natural smell of pine or cedar or spruce tree odor..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFonz