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As we head into the range season, I hope that this video will acts a reminder to make sure you load safely. These things happen when you aren't following your safe loading procedures.
Warning....pic of nasty wounds, might not be SFW or younger folk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=210M...ature=youtu.be
He is lucky to have that hand after that.
Be careful also when purchasing a used ML. I "purchased" one from a neighbor that needed money with the agreement he could by it back at a later date when he was better off financially. He moved away and I eventually tried it with a normal charge and the back end/nipple area blew out.
He had apparently installed a "new" nipple(SAE thread) in a Metric threaded lock and the normal charge, when ignited, detonated and blew out the SAE nipple, releasing the charge in my face.
Not a barrel rupture per se however still a dangerous event.
Good news is it didn't ruin my John Wayne good looks.........
Sure would like to know the cause of the failure.......
from reading the youtube comments it sounds like he may have used smokeless powder (no smoke when it was fired) ...which would have also split it like that.
Scary stuff....
That is what I thought right off the bat, either that or put in 100gr of smokeless rather than 100gr of FFFg.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
A double charge of black should not do that to a barrel
Probably a double charge of bh209.
Very dangerous
Not enough smoke to be BH209...
There isn't much smoke with 209 and it makes lots of pressure.
It's all conjecture
Think he's gonna have a Flinch from now on?
same gun with BH209...lots of smoke in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACaMnqPdevg
Lol those are triple 7 pellets not BlackHorn 209 Mike.
209 is as close to smokeless as one could get. It still stinks though....
The guy is shooting a light load in video as well. Two pellets where the claim to fame is 4 for the ultimate I think. You double charge even with T7 she will likely blow. Bh209 even more so.
Jack..I embedded the wrong video, I meant to show this one because it has a full load of BH209...must have cut and pasted too fast. The point still being, that if it had been a double load of any black powder there would have been a lot of smoke.
BH209, in every video I watched shows lots of smoke. Check out the cloud at the 1.39 sec mark.
I must say thought in re-watching the original video, especially in slow -mo (16 sec mark in) , there is more smoke that there would have been if he was using smokeless. So conjecture would have to run with an obstructed barrel, banana peel type damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ktTg-5gyq4Quote:
Shooting the supplied Remington Premier Accutip 250 grain muzzleloader bullet with the green sabot, sitting on top of 160 grains by volume (112 grains by weight) of Blackhorn 209. Was told by the people at western powders that this is the maximum load for this gun. Shooting sub MOA (7/8") group at 100 yards. Way to go Remington and Western Powders. Also want to give a shout out to Steven Layne over at Laynes Gun & Pawn on Rt. 2 just outside of Huntington, WV for the good deal !!!
And in case you'r going to argue there is more smoke because it's a full load...here's a video with only 110 gr BH209..still lots of smoke, even on a windy day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL8jN804Seg
Found a couple of still pics of the ML...
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UAJzMjf.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/laB1WrF.jpg[/IMG]
I use smokeless powder in my M/L.
But its a savage 10ML... :)
I bought a muzzleloader this year. I have always been a little bit leary of them but with preloaded charges and due diligence I now feel they are fairly safe. I'm looking forward to sighting it in soon!
ML s are perfectly safe. Use a witness mark on ramrod and do not let people interrupt you.
If in doubt tear it apart!
Double charge it and it will blow up and you will have a very bad day.
Take a close look at the rifle in the slo-mo. Are we sure it's a M/L? It looks like a bolt rifle with a muzzle brake. Over charge in a reload? Plugged barrel?
Definitely a muzzleloader with a brake. Can be one of many things that caused it to let go. As stated your ramrod is your best friend USE YOUR WITNESS MARKS on the rod and don't forget to remove the rod, it's your best insurance. Distraction is the next biggest problem with these they demand your full attention.
That was my thought as well Trimmer. Looks like a rem 700 rifle, not MLQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
It's an ML on the 700 frame...Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
https://www.remington.com/rifles/muz...e-muzzleloader
Sure enough,Mike. I haven't seen one before. Nice looking unit,for sure. I think I may have posted this somewhere,already,but,I have a friend who lost two and a half fingers while loading a M/L. That was enough for me. I swore them off from that day to this. I'd like to know what caused this failure,too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Remington and Savage designs have the premier protection from that sort of stuff. (not getting it in the face)
Tikka rifles were the worst although they have attempted improvements with the newer bolt shroud.
ML or CF, Remington and Savage have the most robust action designs of the usually purchased brands.
In general, talking about protection to the user for bolt action rifles the best are military actions, specifically the model 98 Mauser. It was assumed that the gun would have something happen to have a round rupture or things to go bad, now the assumption is that things will be perfect. The actions and overall the guns are made lighter for the sporter market and many of the safety features have been removed because they are not considered a requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
I shot a rifle with some MFS ammo, model 98 action, gas vented everywhere, scared the crap out of me, needless to say I will never shoot MFS again. I took that rifle out with some grey box winchester ammo, loaded it and shot it on bags with 1 hand the first time. It had been checked over but scared me until I knew it was an ammo problem.
It has been meantioned a few times Witness marks save finger and lives also when in dought dump it out