https://nationalpost.com/news/provin...4-201c5cbe4ea2
poor guy !
even in Alberta things just ain’t what they used to be
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https://nationalpost.com/news/provin...4-201c5cbe4ea2
poor guy !
even in Alberta things just ain’t what they used to be
Me thinks there is definitely two sides to that story.
Doesn't pass the smell taste .
Sound similar to incident north of GTA a few years back when the guy was groundhog hunting (totally legaley) in a field adjacent to a school yard and someone called the gestapo on him. Ended up being taken down in his driveway in front of his wife and kids by the swat team. After numerous court appearances and a lot of money spent he was found not guilty. Not 100% sure of all the details here but that is the general gist of the story, possibly someone else will chime in with more facts about this case. It pretty well ruined that guys life for a few years and maybe forever!
x2 on the smell test.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
I hope he takes legal action and wins huge. The guy was bathing his children and had guns pointed at him for absolutely no reason according to the story.
I think you mean the Jonathan Logan incident. He sued and won BIG. The officers involved were literally hung out to dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlmorgan
True enough - two sides to every story. Still, if even half of what he said was factual....gotta feel for a guy who gets a visit from the tactical unit during bath time.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
did we read the same account?Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Clearly read the guy failed to comply with the RCMP orders.
Blew off the first call, grabbed his phone to record instead of complying immediately.
RCMP had one ideal what the guy is doing behind the door for all they knew could be loading up.
where a bunch of RCMP shot out there fairly recently?
Think this has more to do some lawyer looking for a pay day.
We have people in the village near us claiming machine guns being fired off around town, the problem is that it was 5 shots then a break then 5 shots then a break then 5 shots. This was also in a town of a few hundred and you can hunt and shoot very close to it, your only restriction for hunting is the 400m to the church.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
People who do not know would call on you for shooting because they are oblivious, the sad part is that the police also do not know.
What I'm reading is there is a dispute between neighbours and the neighbour found an excuse to phone the police and likely embellish the complaint as he saw fit. Police responded based on procedure and the information they had. Finsfurfeathers has filled in the rest.
The part we do not know is what actually happened, it is possible that the neighbour falsely stated unsafe shooting, it is also possible that they were not shooting safely, we will probably never know and probably not see the evidence, unless the charges against the friends become a massive trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
Anonymous calls should be illegal. Someone calls in a report of something, they should have to give their name. Cops can not give out the name, but with a false report they should be charging people.
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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
You mean the same account where he had to take two small children out of the tub, and no mention of how long it took?
Yeah, we're reading the same account.
Were shots fired IN the house. I'm missing the part where the people outside shooting are mistaken for the people inside.
Not nearly enough information to excuse the tactical team at this point.
Yes, exactly.. "according to the story " which was his version and his alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Still ain't buying it,, still stinks.
Strange how the guys comment to the newspaper includes a suggestion of some monetary compensation already.
So many people like to eat this $h!t up on these forums and pass judgement so quickly, tiring really.
While one side is free to use social media to spread 'their story...the other side is held to 'no comment...an going investigation'...so we never hear it until the trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
From the report the complainant states he saw the RCMP at his neighbours place and decided to pack up and get out of there.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Now look at it from the LEO point of view.
Why would someone doing something that was lawful suddenly leave. caution/doubt raised a bit
The people in the house are the people that where shooting outside the house along with others that may or may not be in danger.
RCMP tried to contact on his cell phone (how they managed that I don't know. Maybe he was know too them) guy blew him off more doubt/caution
Send in tactical and let them figure it out as not cooperating.
Maybe if the shooters stayed where they where a tactical takedown at the house may not have been needed.
Yup some have a real axe to grind against LEO's and CO's doing their job while ensuring they too are able to go home too their families safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
fff, he called his friends and told THEM to pack up after seeing police at the neighbors. Nothing in the article says he was outside. Begs the question as to whether the police seen the 2 friends leave.
Well I already had enough with this thread. Wait for the actual details if it goes to trial. No need to speculate any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Now on a lighter note think there are bunch of gophers out there thinking "Dude welcome to our world. Gopher up and get over it"
I was thinking basically the same thing, who knows what his neighbor said on the phone to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
Just watched david dewolfe's utube video of his account and it was his brother who was with the kids during the bath. It's worth the watch. The title of this thread is totally appropriate.https://youtu.be/orFuyp_803s
...and some blindly defend anyone in law enforcement because "they're just doing their job". Don't forget that it's just that... a job. Some people are terrible at their jobs. LEO's and CO's are no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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Got to blindly defend them as they can't go crying to public media. Best the can say No comment.....Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
In any case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQgaHZOFZ0
I am a friend and watched it livestreamed. Unarmed, including his wife and kids
I really have no idea why your joking about this. Real classy. Imagine this happened to you! I've had multiple problems with clueless cops and cos when hunting. Definitely not everytime I've been checked but it does happen. From cops driving thru a farmers winter wheat field leaving ruts. A co accusing me of baiting migratory birds because there was a visible bag of sealed deer feed in the back of my truck. Spent 1.5 hrs harassing us. Friends having guns drawn on them at a ride program while coyote hunting. I can ho on and on. It does happen. They really need to learn to tell the difference between a criminal and a hunter sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Court of Law is where you are innocent till proven guilty. In an uncontrolled situation in the field I respect the need for a guilty till proven innocent attitude a LEO may have for their own safety. Have had my share of encounters. Most recent a number of years back was hunting an early goose field had a golf course to the north a monster home to the south and the street lights of Barrie behind me. Sunrise and the geese poured into the field and didn't take long to get my 10. Packed up and drove down the 2 track to the street gate. There on either side of the gate 2 cop cars. I stopped at the gate rolled down the window. Waved to the cops they waved back waited a bit than waved me through. When dealing with LEO's my reaction has always been Yes Sir, No sir, what ever you say Sir. Never had guns drawn on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Might want to reflex on your actions as to why it might prompt the LEO to react.
My actions? Really? Wow! Guilty until proven innocent? Which country are we in again??? I have no problem with a routine check. A co should know better than to come out into your decoy spread while your hunting in a field though. Unless of course your doing something wrong. But should not interrupt your hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
You only get so many days to hunt when you work. Like I said before cops driving on wet winter wheat spinning his tires leaving ruts. Ask my kid about the cop field. Cop runs down the fence row with his gun out of the holster within 15ft of us. Runs by us until we yell. Why have your gun out?? There was close to 100 dekes set. Common sense would tell you when a decoy spread is out they are hunters not criminals. Why even have your gun out. I've got a bunch of stories like this. And never have I been charged with anything.
I really cannot believe you dont take this seriously. I totally feel for this guy. You joke about it! Common sense goes along way. Our cos and cops definitely need to use it more.
Thing is I never had experienced any such actions even when I was given a citation for an incident I felt was bogus.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Now if you've had numerous adverse encounters than I my opinion it might not be them but you.
I can ho on and on. It does happen. They really need to learn to tell the difference between a criminal and a hunter sometimes.
I still stand by what I originally said. One sided story with a collection of embellishments and very selective commentary.
If most people don't have the sense to hear or consider the other side of that coin before they pass judgement, I can't change that.
What this site really needs is additional Topic that is related to LEO/CO Complaints. That minority opinionated group could spend their time on that thread and try to out do each other with their stories of negative contacts with LEO/CO's , whether they are reality, embellished or that they know a guy who has a cousin who has a neighbour who's uncle had it happen to him. They could feed off each other. People that choose to avoid it can.
That way we could all be happy.
Wow! Obviously your not reading or not understanding what I am saying. Your here standing up for cops that completely harassed a person and mishandled a relatively simple situation. You probably don't hunt alot. I can assure I dont go looking to be bothered when hunting. When 5 min routine check takes 1.5hrs out of my hunt I have a huge problem and will say something. When 2 cop cars come speeding into a decoy spread is that necessary? Common sense needs to used more in these situations. You can stand up for cops and cos all you want. I realize they are people and make mistakes. I guarantee you if more of them came into these situations with just a bit of common sense things will go smoother. Will it take someone getting shot for you to understand what I am saying??? JmhoQuote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
So you are saying that if a LEO reacts a certain way that the person they are confronting must have deserved it? Are you aware of all of the cases or Police misconduct out there? I mean the ones that are in the courts with police being convicted of crimes. What about that cop that blew away the kid on the street car with no other police officers concerned for their safety at all, I mean, that must have been justified because it was a police officer. There are 2 sides to every story, most of the time the truth lands somewhere in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I have had a few incidents where the local police lost all integrity and respect from me, just cops on a power trip.
I have been hunting and a firearms owner for 35 years and I am a more active hunter than most I know. Yet somehow in those 35 years of hunting I've managed not to have "multiple problems with clueless cops and cos".
Where do you live? Location is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
I never had a problem hunting or shooting but sitting in my house minding my own business.
That's great! Consider yourself lucky. Migratory bird hunting is where this almost always where these problems arise. We now call the police before the hunt when hunting certain fields. This has definitely helped at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
Figured as much They'll give back twice as much attitude as they get.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Not exactly more like how a person reacts to a LEO direction dictates what they deserve. Ya sounds harsh but consider this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Had the guy, knowing the RCMP were at the neighbors house and suspecting there was a concern, gone over and said what's up would there have been a tactical takedown needed?
Second opportunity with the first call had he said honey take care of the kids and gone immediately outside to speak to the RCMP would it not de escalated the situation?
And these are the tidbits given from their side of the story.
Can hardly blame them for preparing for the worst case scenario.
Ya have little sympathy for someone who doesn't make it easier on themselves even if it means swallowing their pride and attitude.
Yup hunting and fishing since 15 every chance I get and the same here. Got to make you wonder what we are doing wrong eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
44 years a hunter for me and no problems with any CO. In fact those CO's I have been in contact with during any hunt , have gone out of their way to be very friendly.
Again your not understanding. There are plenty of good cos and cops out there I'm sure. Have I had smooth 5min checks. Of course I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
All I'm saying is there needs to be more common sense used in these situations. Far too many of them happening. This could be you one day fff. If theres pile of decoys setup in a field, does a cop need to run in with a gun draw???. Does he need to destroy crops? I could go on and on. 2 sides to every story I get it. But rarely does a gun need to be drawn in one of these situations. Again common sense will go along way and could definitely prevent someone being shot! Get it?
yup common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
What I don't understand from your story how a cop with his gun out got into your decoys without you making your presents known well before than?
Two sides to every story.
What was the cop thinking?
Here I am. There are guys out there with guns not making themselves know. where are they? holy crap better prepare myself.
In any case keep doing what you are doing as it seems to be working for you.
Your first point in this post is irrelevant here. A CO needs to do his job regardless of the circumstances and if that means he checks you out in the middle of a goose hunt to see if you are above board then so be it. If that means it takes an hour and a half to convince him the deer feed in the back of your truck isn't being used to bait migratory birds then that is what it takes. Perhaps next time you go out hunting leaving the deer feed at home might be a good idea. They have an obligation to enforce the FWCA. They don't have an obligation to check hunters after the hunt. How many times do you think CO's have heard a BS story from a guy caught red-handed poaching?Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
I have been on my deer stand when a CO comes through looking for hunters. Did it ruin my hunt? Yea. Did I get mad about it? No. They have a job to do and I would much rather have them out there making sure everyone is playing by the same rules opposed to not having them out there at all. I have had more good CO interactions than bad ones. CO's aren't robots and can have bad days just like the rest of us.
Again not understanding, or you just like to argue, or your a cop. We were in the fence row in camo. Looking straight out. He comes from our left. Didnt notice til he was close and stopped him after he ran by. Cops, cos can do absolutely no wrong in your eyes, I get it. I bring up the simple point of thinking of the situation dealing with. Drawing a gun should only happen in a dangerous situation. These are not dangerous situations and only made dangerous by law enforcement. Like I said I really hope this doesn't happen to anyone here. Especially when young children are present.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
My son was checked by a CO last year while bear hunting after he came down from his stand at dusk. The CO had said he had waited quietly in the woods for 45 minutes ,so as not to ruin my sons last minutes of the hunt. This was after the CO had walked 2 miles into the bush to check that one stand. Pretty nice CO I would say. Others would say he had nefarious intent. Different perspective I suppose.
I’m glad it only takes 1.5hrs to figure out that an unopened bag of deer feed in the back of a truck is not being used to bait waterfowl.
Good thing it was only one bag.
Nothing illegal about having a bag of sealed deer feed in the back of a truck. The co walked around a cut corn field for 45min looking for corn??? Then proceeded to go thru every shell in our bags. Then tried to force a 4th shell in my gun. He was pushing so hard I had to remind him your never suppose to force anything into a firearm. I've been hunting 25yrs and have no problem being checked. But again cos need to use common sense and not harass hunters. Again they are people, theres good ones and bad ones. I could see if I had prior offences a more detailed check may in order. But I dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
sadly the society we live in has changed. once your in court your basically guilty until proven innocent .Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
LOL guess the geese coming from the left are safe eh? I understand completely. You expect the LEO's to be psychic. As you didn't know he was there he didn't know who you are. Unknown situation for him. Sure most likely you are an honest hunter however for some reason he was called there for suspicious actions. Until he identifies you what is he supposed to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
And no I'm no a cop. Wouldn't be one for the main reason as they get no gratitude until you need 'em.
If a cop is approaching someone with a gun in his-her hands, I want the cop to have one in their hands as well.
As you know there is no baiting when waterfowling. So the CO has to determine you aren't going to use that deer feed in the back of the truck as bait or haven't already emptied bags of corn in the field. While there is nothing illegal about having a bag of sealed deer feed in the back of a truck, the CO needs to determine if what you are saying about that feed is true. Again, if that means it takes 45 mins to see if all the corn in the field is a result of normal agricultural practices, then so be it. As for the third shell into the magazine, I have to wonder if your judgement of how hard he pushed is a result of your perceived negative interactions with the CO. It seems to me that while you claim that you have no problem with being checked, you obviously have an issue with the length of time it takes a CO to do their job. They don't know you from anyone else in the world and they don't know who they are dealing with when they approach you. While you seem to be the type of person who stringently obeys the law (not a criticism, just a fact that I don't know you other than you posting online), there are plenty of guys out there that don't and who have not been caught yet. The CO doesn't know if he is dealing with a law abiding hunter or poacher who hasn't been caught yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Read the part in a fence row, Not in layouts. Birds land into the wind if your not aware. Wind was at our back. So not looking down the row. Why wouldnt he use a mic or sound of his siren from the road or even yell, no bright vest on either. He ran parallel with the fencerow with his gun in hand. Did all the decoys not give it away that we were hunting. Horse people next door called in gunshots. Fff you have a lousy excuse and argue everything. If common sense were used here i wouldnt have had a terrified 4 yr old. It really is that simple! Done arguing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Never asked about it just assumed he had me. Again it was sealed. Please dont downplay the shell part. You werent there. I was 10ft away and would say he tried for 30 seconds trying to bend my plug to get it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
What this site really needs is additional Topic that is related to LEO/CO Complaints. That minority opinionated group could spend their time on that thread and try to out do each other with their stories of negative contacts with LEO/CO's , whether they are reality, embellished or that they know a guy who has a cousin who has a neighbour who's uncle had it happen to him. They could feed off each other. People that choose to avoid it can.
That way we could all be happy.
Hello,,, hello,, anybody out there..??
Post the one about the groundhog hunter again.
Probably to be fair would have to include all the complaints of inaction regarding trespassing, shooting before/after legal and other such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
Poor LEO's dammed if they do and dammed if they do not.
In my younger years I was out in the prairies for a bit living in a small town. Some of the local youth invited me on a round of golf, the golf course was over on the edge of town. It was a small set up that you bang a few balls around. I recall at one of the holes the group of us came to a haul. At which point one of the lads went fishing through his golf bag and to my surprise pulled out a small .22 from amongst his club, The course had a few additional holes that were not on the greens, but along the fairways. A gopher's head was protruding out of one, and the young lad took aim and fired. You do this out here I inquired? Yes, he replied or the gopher's would taken over the place. I should point out there were no other golfers onn the course.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
For someone who had enough of this thread in post 19 and stated there was no need to speculate any more, you've sure make quite a few posts in speculation since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Is it not speculation to assume the law is always right and that people who have had adverse encounters must have done something to deserve it?
Also, (and this is pretty basic stuff) just because something has never happened to YOU, doesn't mean that someone undeserving of such treatment hasn't had it happen to them.
Now I had better get out of the way, I might be stepped upon by your high horse.
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The Leo’s here responded to 190 calls for service in the last 24 hrs.....not much time to look after everything !!Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Police actually called the guy beforehand (SOP)and asked him to come out and talk to them. He just blew them off. Being on the outside looking in when that happens sets off every alarm bell there is. Bin there,dun that back in the day when we had to "go in hot" (like Mayerthorpe) because TRU teams were only deployed in the "bright lights". Reporting has been very one-sided. I'll wait until more info is released before commenting further. On the other hand,too,this doesn't be appear to be anything like the Logan Case in Ontario many years ago.
Yep.....a lot more to this story...police can’t afford to take any chances where firearms are concerned, nor should they. More scrutiny should be placed on the information they were given initially !!Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
That would be my first order of business after the smoke clears from this,too. It it turns out there was a malicious call,someone would be going to court,if not criminally,definitely civilly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
In the last three years, when leaving the woods from my hunt mentoring program I have been over at least a dozen times. Each instance, when I asked the officer why he pulled me over, he stated, I had just come from the woods and wanted to check if I had firearms.
Each time I challenge them, back again..what law did I break in order for you to stop me legally. My truck, trailer are legal and compliant, I do trailer light check before entering the HWY and have adjust my mirrors. Basically a circle check.
Each time, I have not been asked to produce a drivers license, insurance, registration for the trailer or truck. IT is just pure harassment..... I have never allowed, been asked to see, search or view the interior of my vehicle. Once is OK, but it is the same cop for the last 3 years...
I have no problem accepting this guys live video and commentary of the events that transpired. Until counter facts show otherwise, he should have everyone's support.
His videos can be used against him and his associates in court, so I'll consider them facts for now.
The chances of those police admitting their mistakes/wrongdoing are about as likely as me showing this article to one of my farmer friends that I have permission from.
You do not have to break any laws to be stopped legally. What if they asked you to blow into a breathalyzer, which they can do without cause, at any time, would that be better? Nothing to do with guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I have been called on twice in 50years of hunting. Once turkey hunting 5years ago. Person who owned bush didn't like the idea that we were hunting the field on the farmers side of the fence. Came out yelling at us and lots of obscenities. I asked him to calm down which he didn't. He finally said he was going to call the cops. I said please do and they walked away. We stayed for 40 minutes waiting, then walked back to truck and waited longer. Finally 2 women walk up to us, 1 the wife of the loud mouth. I asked where are the cops. She said she called the police and told them the truth that we were hunting farmers field. Cop asked if we threatened them or pointed guns at their property, she said NO. Cop on phone said you have a nice day and hung up. Imagine how it would have gone if she had lied. Second time, woman calls about us hunting early season tells the CO's we are shooting at her house and are shooting geese. Well yes we were shooting geese, the house as almost a mile away. CO shows up, but we have already got our limit and left. CO is talking to the farmer, tells him he is going to go look for evidence of us doing something wrong and asks where we went and who we were. Farmer tells CO that if he is going to go back in the field, he had to walk as didn't want him to drive in his filed. Farmer told him that he had no idea who we were and didn't know where we went. Farmer had had a run in of some sort with the CO's around the area. Of course he know us and what coffee shop we went too. The woman embellished her story to get the CO to come out. We were completely legal and had full permission. The woman was well know in the area for embellishing things to get the cops to come out to the farmer as well. So 2 different calls with 1 honest caller and the other not so. You can never tell what the caller has said to the LEO, one way or the other.
That would not have been legal either, they used to have to have just cause to ask you to blow. The laws changed Dec 18 2018, well after his duck hunting would have been done and surely after the 2 previous years.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I know his experience was in the past. Now...... They do not need any reason to stop you and ask you to blow into a breathalyzer. They can even come to your house and make you blow, even when your not driving. So now a cop is always legally able to stop you, even if you have done absolutely nothing wrong. He just has to make you blow. Line 052 ,What did you do to that cop to piss him off and make him want to 'harass' you? Sounds personnel.
Why assume he did something. Just like every profession there are bad apples. Some small % of cops are incompetent a-holes. Same as teachers, doctors, engineers lawyers etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Every post Line052 has ever made has been respectfully done even when passionately advocating for his rights.
Or maybe that cop once (or twice) caught someone coming out of those woods with unauthorized firearms, and repeatedly tries to get the same 'collar'. Maybe he is just doing his job to the best of his ability, unless we can read his mind we really don't know. But being stopped once a year does not seem like 'harassment' to me.
This is a mind numbing thread.
Absolute waste of time and resources. Sounds very frustratingQuote:
Originally Posted by line052
Every Police Constable in Canada swears an oath when they're appointed to enforce the law "...without fear,favor or malice aforethought..." If you feel you've been mistreated or are being deliberately targeted,you need to accurately outline your complaint,in writing,to your lawyer,to the officer,his immediate commander,the district commander,your MPP and The Attorney General's office. If your account is credible ( no doubt it is),believe me,shyte rolls downhill. The Constable in question will be called to account. Charges under The Police Services Act.at the very least,discreditable conduct,can have far-reaching consequences for that officer's career.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
My lawyer is ready for that, and I will comply + videotape.
[QUOTE=fishermccann;1087913]I know his experience was in the past. Now...... They do not need any reason to stop you and ask you to blow into a breathalyzer. They can even come to your house and make you blow, even when your not driving.
Wrong, only if police have reason to believe you have been driving.
Cops can mislead you and outright lie to you but you can not lie to them. Hence the right to remain silent. We lost that right only when police believe you've been driving a vehicle.
I now have dash cams in my truck and ready for the new years laws...lol. I am a law abiding, rule following citizen. Even when the local CO showed up at camp last year I got a fine for a stupid mistake (no lying, full admission of mistake) of leaving out the plug of the trap gun I had used that morning. He was generous and only fined me $100.00, which I promptly paid with great joy. It could have been so worse. He also, gave everyone a warning who did not sign the duck stamp, or who did not have the address wrote on it. 4 people..he was reasonable.
saw this story in the Sun this morning....Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Quote:
A real Case of drunk backyarding
What some people, including the folks at Justice Canada, say can’t occur actually did happen to Lee Anne Lowrie.
She was visiting her sister in Maple Ridge, B.C., this past April. They were having drinks in the backyard when she got a call from the RCMP. They wanted to talk to her.
“I thought something had happened to someone in my family,” Lowrie told the Times-Colonist earlier this year.
There was nothing wrong with her family, the Mounties were there in her sister’s driveway because someone had called in anonymously to say that Lowrie had consumed many drinks at a local bar before getting in her truck and driving away.
It wasn’t true and Lowrie would eventually be acquitted of all claims against her but not before the RCMP used new powers under the Criminal Code to ask her for a breath sample long after she had stopped driving.
The Justice Department is declaring it a myth that police can show up and demand that you provide a breath sample long after you stopped driving. In Lowrie’s case, she had parked her car just after 3:30 p.m. and was being asked to blow into a breathalyzer at 6 p.m. after a few drinks at a family gathering.
“I would say that it is absolutely not a myth, it is something that happened in this case,” defence lawyer Jennifer Teryn told me over the phone from Victoria.
She and her colleague, Jerry Steele, have been working on cases related to drunk driving, including the Trudeau government’s changes that came into effect last December. Teryn says the changes in the law go too far.
[QUOTE=onelessarrow;1087923]So you are not driving but were, hours ago. Proves my point...you do not have to be driving. M.P. I read that as well , again proves my point.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Line 052, yes he was very reasonable, most are, but as people say it only takes one. Maybe it is just me but I do not fear cops or CO's , I welcome them, because I follow the law and have never been, 'railroaded'.....Yet.
[QUOTE=fishermccann;1087930]They have to have a reason to believe you were driving. The phone call that MP references is the reason for suspicion. Geez louiseQuote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Why the heck would they want to give you a breathalyzer if they did not believe you were driving at some point while impaired ? Proving you were impaired at the time you were driving is a different story. Were driving, hours ago, but not driving then when asked to blow. You must have BEEN driving So no you do NOT have to BE driving when asked to blow, and that is what I said. Posts 64 and 71.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
I've had experience with EXCELLENT cops and I've had some experience with guys who should not have a badge ... egotistical, power pumped idiots that should not be in the system, and even know of one that lied in court (judge flipped out and kicked him out of her court)!. I've got friends who are cops that are there to help society and kids ... great guys. But it only takes one idiot, and trust me there's enough of them that we cannot just believe a cop's side of the story automatically ... I'm sure everyone's read enough news about the bad apples. It unfortunately ruins it for the +90% that are good cops.
I didn't say you had to be driving at the time, I said they have to have reason to believe you were driving.
The brother in the the op story is charged with impaired and failing to give breathalyzer. They all got to the house within a couple of hours of the police arriving. So that is reason to believe he was driving, allowing them to ask for a breathalyzer. He was bathing the kids at the time police made contact with him.
It's a shyte law and no doubt will be changed once a case makes it to supreme court.
There are some cops out there who are just plain A holes and like to harass people. There is a cop like that in my area and even the other cops don't like him.
As for a breathalyzer you are no considered guilty until proven innocent by law. In fact even according to the Cops (it was in the paper) they recommend you not drink anything until several hours after arriving home and in fact you are actually suppose to have proof of the time you arrived home. So what now take a picture of your car each day after you get home?
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Absolutely GW. On that we agree. There are also a lot of citizen a-holes out there that need to be harassed within the fullest extent of the law.
To the best of my knowledge it is not a mandate of the Police to harass anyone unless they are a problem if so they would either charge them or issue a warning. You sound like you approve of Police harassing people.
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Quite a few years ago, I used to stop off at a bar to join a friend and play billiards, have a drink or two and go home.
This particular day as I was there a cop car pulled into the parking lot, sat for a while then drove off.
Fortunately I had been drinking only ginger ale, as I was driving home , I was pulled over at a side street by a big cop about 6 ft 5 in. [dark skinned], my truck was very distinctive the only one like it around.
As he waved me down to pull to the curb, he walked up and asked "if I had been drinking , to which I replied yes."
He had me walk to his cruiser and told me to blow into the breathalizer which I did, it registered nothing [ginger ale] he got pizzed off and told me to quit effing around and blow harder which I did, blew my lungs out , still reg. nothing and he was really getting pizzed off.
I bew again at his insistance which resulted in nothing registering and he was starting to turn red with anger , threatening and more.
Finally he says to me " you told me you had been drinking , to which I responded yes it was ginger ale ".
Well he almost blew a gasket, saying I was trying to make a fool of him and more.
I responded and said" if you had asked if I had been drinking any alcoholic drink m my answer would have been NO and you would not have made a fool of yourself.
Just because I was at a bar and you recognised my truck to pull me over, it didn't necessarily mean I was drinking alcohol , I was there for a few hours, played pool and drank ginger ale.
Now I'm going home and you have yourself a better day.
As has been said , some cops when given a little authority think they know it all.
GW read the last seven words of my post, #81. Everyone knows some d-head a-holes , that need a little 'encouragement' . I am glad the cops know them as well.