New measures. include 'Stay at Home orders"

[410001661]

Exactly Trimmer. I’ve been referencing that for awhile now. It’s lazy,,easy, doesn’t require much thought or effort and optically. Good for votes.

Let alone avoiding singling out and pissing off you know who.

Gun Owners = Small Business

I am a fan of Doug Ford, but I think now more than ever it is painfully obvious he is giving the box box stores the reach around.

[MarkB]

...and where is it occuring??? Well it's winter and people spend a lot of times indoors and Canada's building code - going back forever - is based on keeping warm air in and cold air out. So virtually every building has a disasterous ventilation system from the perspective of virus control. It's not new - it happens every fall with cold/flu season. The spreaders are the people that stay indoors.

The politicos are frustrated that their attempts to control the spread have failed and they are blaming the people. But the real blame - should be placed on "winter". But no politician is every going to say that. So, blame the people. Remember last winter... Did the lockdowns work then? No. The spread stopped in spring - as it will again this coming spring. You will have as much luck pushing spring to come earlier as you will with locking people down.

Yes, I can see how being indoors, with central air is a breeding house for COVID. But what I'm saying is ... is 70% the transmission family breaking rules and visiting their parents, or is it at the Walmart where we have 700 people bumping into each other, or is it in work offices, or via airports?? I'd like to see a statistical break down of the mechanism/place of transmission ... surely they have the data ... it's been almost 1 year now.

Once we see that data, we are all grown ups, and can modify our behavior and actions to avoid the high-risk mechanisms of transmission.

Anyhow, changing gears, I don't really see how this state of emergency really changed anything, other than shops need to close by 8 pm, and not open before 7 am. Most shops only open at 10 am anyhow, and 8 pm means a few shops will close 1h earlier. Anyone walking outside can say they are exercising.

Probably the most material change is that businesses must ensure that anyone that CAN work at home, does work at home. So, there will now be less incentive for essential services that can work from home to go into the office (some essential services have encouraged employees to work from the office).

I'm also wondering for residential renovations ... especially contracts already in place ... is that still a go ahead?

[JBen]

Of coarse they have the data Mark. And if they are missing some elements, well "why"? because perhaps they don't want to look at it? Don't want to deal with it.
For example, they and thus we know what age groups ( demographic) is primarily turning up as cases, and thus spreading it. They know, where they live, what their jobs are and
more.........They also have the data and statistics on what demographics are bearing the brunt of it all....So to assume or pretend they don't have a decent of who/what/where is just absurd.

As some have been and are calling into question.
When asked about mounting social cost of not working, financial stress and more. Why is it politicians and health officials "don't have that data"....

[MikePal]

Be interesting to see if the RCMP (federal jurisdiction) are stopping all the passengers who are coming into Ottawa today to see if their travel was 'essential...and if they are going into Quarantine for the next 14 days ??

Awful lot of flight for an area under emergency lock down. All coming from two Covid 'Red' Zones..

Arrivals to Ottawa this aft..

14:18 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC8987 MONTREAL
15:11 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC454 TORONTO
17:11 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC7518 TORONTO
19:53 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC8967 MONTREAL
22:31 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC468 TORONTO
22:44 JAN.13 WESTJET WS3478 TORONTO
09:11 JAN.14 AIR CANADA AC7502 TORONTO
09:13 JAN.14 AIR CANADA AC8671 MONTREAL

[410001661]

Look at the flights in the air right now......how can they control this if they cannot control who is jumping on a plane and flying to another province or coming in from another country? Again the gov't is trying to control what is easy not what is causing the problem.

https://flightaware.com/live/

[fishfood]

Be interesting to see if the RCMP (federal jurisdiction) are stopping all the passengers who are coming into Ottawa today to see if their travel was 'essential...and if they are going into Quarantine for the next 14 days ??

Awful lot of flight for an area under emergency lock down. All coming from two Covid 'Red' Zones..

Arrivals to Ottawa this aft..

14:18 JAN.13AIR CANADAAC8987 MONTREAL
15:11 JAN.13AIR CANADAAC454 TORONTO
17:11 JAN.13AIR CANADAAC7518 TORONTO
19:53 JAN.13AIR CANADAAC8967 MONTREAL
22:31 JAN.13AIR CANADAAC468 TORONTO
22:44 JAN.13WESTJETWS3478 TORONTO
09:11 JAN.14AIR CANADAAC7502 TORONTO
09:13 JAN.14AIR CANADAAC8671 MONTREAL

Looks like an open invite for covid lol

We are fully open to spread the virus

But stay in your home [emoji12].

Borris Johnson was being bashed today too for not doing more to stop the spread of flights. Then he wouldn't discuss the agenda and said we will build back better lol.

Same issue we are following a path of destruction .

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[johnjyb]

Noticed "more then 1" Que plate in the Walmart parking lot here as I was cutting through to get a few boxes of my favorite beverage yesterday from "The Retailer". Being just off the 401 probably does make it more accessible I guess, and hey, maybe they live local, just haven't changed their plates yet due to restrictions.
I do have a neighbor with N.Dakota plates who has been here since early fall as well who hasn't switched over for whatever reason. I don't care, it is none of my business either, but I do like to be aware of what is going on in my neighborhood in case it does directly affect me in the future.
Keeping your head buried in the sand and uninformed only gives you itchy eyes and just part of the whole story.
John

[werner.reiche]

Be interesting to see if the RCMP (federal jurisdiction) are stopping all the passengers who are coming into Ottawa today to see if their travel was 'essential...and if they are going into Quarantine for the next 14 days ??

Awful lot of flight for an area under emergency lock down. All coming from two Covid 'Red' Zones..

Arrivals to Ottawa this aft..

14:18 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC8987 MONTREAL
15:11 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC454 TORONTO
17:11 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC7518 TORONTO
19:53 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC8967 MONTREAL
22:31 JAN.13 AIR CANADA AC468 TORONTO
22:44 JAN.13 WESTJET WS3478 TORONTO
09:11 JAN.14 AIR CANADA AC7502 TORONTO
09:13 JAN.14 AIR CANADA AC8671 MONTREAL

There are also a lot of international arrivals from:
DOH - Doha
DXB - Dubai
AUH - Abu Dhabi
PPT - Tahiti

[JBen]

The COVID suppression view is becoming a marginalized view,” he says, observing that fewer of his colleagues are adopting this perspective. “Once you have an endemic level of COVID, the economic fallout and carnage [of much larger lockdowns] would be so great that it’s not worth it.”

I wonder why articles this like this don't get much attention/play. This one is a bit older, but there have been a couple others recently.
https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...V8OMn6C2HOMz-4

[impact]

Bahahaha.....I busted a gut reading this. So basically this stay at home order is a recommendation.
They know the civil rights lawyers are ready to pounce all over it.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-at-home-order


What is an essential trip?

Ontario cannot determine what is essential for every person in this province, each with their own unique circumstances and regional considerations. That said, we have provided broad categories people should consider before leaving their home: food, health-care services, including medication, exercise or work, where someone’s job cannot be done at home.

What is essential work?

The stay-at-home order does not define what work or jobs are essential. Rather, it now mandates that anyone who can work from home must now do so. For example, someone working in retail obviously can’t do their job from home and would be permitted to go to work.

Why hasn’t the province defined who can or should work from home?

Ontario cannot review tens of millions of job descriptions to determine who can work from home. As such, we are relying on the best judgment and common sense of employers to determine who can do so. If an employee believes they should be working from home, they can contact the Ministry of Labour to file a health and safety complaint.

Why is the province issuing a stay-at-home order while also permitting curb-side pickup?

This question assumes every single person in Ontario has easy access to online shopping or that there is a big-box retailer in their community. This isn’t the case for many Ontarians who live in rural and remote areas.

We’ve learned a lot over the past year responding to this pandemic, including the fact that what may be essential to someone in Timmins and how they buy that item may not be essential to someone in downtown Toronto, who can easily buy items online for delivery. The Government of Ontario determining what retailers may be considered essential risks cutting off many Ontarians who don’t live in Toronto or an urban centre from access to necessary goods.

What is an essential item?

The Government of Ontario cannot determine what is essential for every person in this province, each with their own unique circumstances and regional considerations. Legally defining what is essential risks cutting people off from goods that may legitimately be necessary for their health, well-being and safety.

Why can people still gather in groups of five outdoors?

The outdoor gathering limit of five is in recognition of the fact that some people live alone and may require the company or support of others for their mental and physical well-being. Anyone gathering outside is expected to adhere to physical distancing measures and are now strongly urged to wear a mask.

Can people leave home to exercise? Can I go to my local playground or basketball court?

Yes, exercise is considered an essential reason for leaving your home. What that means will be unique to each individual Ontarian: some may wish to go for a walk around the block, while others may wish to go to a local basketball court with their household to shoot some hoops.

We recommend that Ontarians consult their local public health unit or municipality to understand what recreational amenities are open in their community.

Can someone living alone still join up with another household?

Yes, they can exclusively join one other household. This is to support their mental health and well-being, as well as to ensure those requiring support continue to have access to essential caregivers.

Is there a time limit for how long people can leave their homes?

No. That said, we’re asking Ontarians to use their best judgement when leaving their home for essential reasons. They should limit the number of stores they go to and spend as little time outside of their home as possible.

Is there a limit on the number of times someone can leave their home in a day?

No. That said, we’re asking Ontarians to use their best judgement when leaving their home for essential reasons. They should limit the number of stores they go to and spend as little time outside of their home as possible.

Can people travel to their cottages or secondary residences?

Right now, we are asking people to stay home and only leave their home for essential purposes, which could include emergency maintenance of a secondary residence. In the spirit of the stay-at-home order, at this time we are not recommending intra-provincial travel.