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The Bizarre Truth About Purebred Dogs (and Why Mutts Are Better)
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always a controversial topic...nicely done by the folks at College Humour :)
The Bizarre Truth About Purebred Dogs (and Why Mutts Are Better)
Funny in a way , but a lot of untruths in there.
CH is not meant to be a trustworthy news site...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
When people say mutts are always the best dogs, I usually bite my lip and stay quiet. Let them think that way - someone has to own mutts.
It's a popular generalization that comes from a few prominent examples of problem breeds. What results is a kind of misinformed reverse snobbery: "I am a better and more moral dog owner because I own a mixed-breed rescue dog."
"The theory states that, with a subconscious set of mental filters formed from his or her beliefs and experiences, every individual interprets the same world differently, hence "Truth is in the eye of the beholder".
Robert Anton Wilson
You can't deny Welsh many look down their noses at "mutts" and you don't own a dog, unless its "purebred". Quite simply, if there wasn't any stigmatism, people would call them mixbreeds and not Mutts...
/looks at every reply and nope, don't see the correct terminology used once :)
At the end of the day, they are all dogs. They want nothing more than a home, a BFF or BFamF and come with no or few conditions. Its only us, that care about their pedigrees be that "pure" bred or ill bred.
Having said all that. :)
A friend of mine owns a Toller, playing with her at a lake on Saturday, I was reminded of the days only a handful of years ago when I was looking for my next dog..She made me wish I had listened to my heart and not my head.
That's true, but I don't see why it matters. It doesn't make the reverse snobbery any more sensible.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Oh no not this again !
Hey the pure breed vs mutts debate thread is for the dead of winter not the mutt er dog days of summer.
This is so true, especially at the dog park. Having a mixed-breed rescue is a badge of honor there.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
A lady was telling me about her purebred lab. He looked so pathetic conformation-wise as far as labs go. I asked what she paid for him and she said "Oh, he was free." I wanted to say, "That's good , because he ain't no purebred." but I kept my mouth shut. I have to do a lot of that at the dog park. :)
Agreed. I really don't understand it (either side of the debate, snobbery, elitism, holier than though and on and on)Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
:)
I mean really. Ask any 8 year old child who is peeling with laughter, love and affection as their dog licks their face if they care about the dogs bloodlines
:)
I never see it as snobbery . Get the dog you need. However, if my goal is to participate in competition and maybe win a Championship some day, bloodlines are very important.
Depends what you want in a dog. You likely won't get a Heinz 57 to sweep a 30 acre field and pin down a pheasant for you or work a cover and pin a woodcock and hold it until you close in. If what you want is a family pet then it doesn't matter if the dog couldn't sniff a bowl full of lasagna if you put it on the kitchen floor.
At eight my nephew came out with the line "those aren't dogs they are really cats", in reference to the little lap dogs that yip and yap at everyone and everything that walks by.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
I am an owner of my second pure breed, as proud of him as I was my first, I to find there is the snobbery as mentioned; but it is a two way street and there are those of both sides that share one thing and that is the snobery.
Get a dog for what you want, with pure breeds you have the breed's history to go by, with the mixed breeds you can get the best of a few breeds. All may have problems, some pssed down the generations, some passed down from human owners.
No dog is born stupid.
Guess you haven't met my better half's dachshundQuote:
Originally Posted by Doug
Lol Cass.
Just out of curiosity Sharon, and I really hope/trust this isn't misinterpreted ( written words don't contain tone or inflection).
I can understand why "bloodlines" are important then/for you.
But maybe the question to be asked is.
Why are bloodlines important to the CKC, and various trials, shows?
God forbid a mixbreed win a trial
Well, a mixed breed is very unlikely to win a trial. If you watch trial dogs at work, you will see why. This is not to say that a mixed breed dog can't make an excellent working dog, as a guide dog, detection dog, cadaver dog, or whatever -- they are just as trainable as any other dog and are capable of learning complex, challenging tasks. But they have not been bred for their hunting instincts and as a result they will not outperform field-bred hunting breeds at hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Not all breeds are equal at all tasks. People have been aware of this for centuries, regardless of those who will tell you that "breed" is a new concept that arose only in the Victorian era. The first English-language book on hunting, The Master of Game (~1413), which is itself a translation of a 14th century French book, the Livre de Chasse, divides dogs into breeds or types, each suited best to particular tasks. For two of those, "braches" (scent hounds) and greyhounds (sight hounds), the text suggests that it is important to have good bloodlines. And lest we think that those ignorant medieval folk, who believed in witches and so forth, were just making it all up, modern science has confirmed a variety of breed differences.
We can see the importance of breeding to hunting performance by comparing field bred springers to bench springers, or by comparing the performance of field bred dogs (say, English setters) against dogs of similar breeds that have not been bred for trials in decades (say, Irish setters). In many cases, trials are not limited to a particular breed, and so we can easily make that comparison. Breeding matters.
The only way a cross-breed is ever likely to win a trial is if the dog is bred from similar hunting stock -- like breeding an English setter to a pointer, both from field lines.
Do you think say (grabbing names out of a hat) that a GSP and PudlePointer/Brittany would be lacking in instincts? Or maybe a Vizla/Weimanar?
Anywho ( and I did note, you noted that) :) I personally don't understand "it"....at all.
I'd be just as happy with a NFLDer interbred with a Chessapeake or Lab, as I would a NFDLR or as I was with my Greyhound, Poodle, or any of the "mutts" such as the Basenji (mix) Ive had.
Pretty sure though if my life can afford another it will be a Toller. :)
Coulda woulda shoulda.
As I said, if you were crossing similar hunting breeds out of proven stock then you'd be breeding for that instinct. But nobody is really doing that -- your mixed breed dog has not been deliberately bred for any particular purpose -- so we're in the realm of theory here.
By the same token, if you tried to train two dozen mixed breed dogs and two dozen field-bred springers as guide dogs for the blind, you'd probably have better success with the mixed breed dogs for precisely the same reasons.
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Originally Posted by JBen
No problem. By bloodlines of course I mean pedigree. If I'm buying a dog for a specific purpose, I want to know that the previous 3-5 generations have been healthy, free of genetic defects for that breed, and good at the skill for which I'm looking .
Not to appear "snobbish", :) I had a rescue GSP ( Wouldn't know a bird if it landed on its face.) and 3 JRTs of questionable breeding - just because I love JRTs and have no particular plan for them other than to enjoy. If they are hunters of groundhog etc . then that is a bonus.
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Got a little off topic..........
"Why are bloodlines important to the CKC, and various trials, shows?
God forbid a mixbreed win a trial." quote Mr. Ben
Because these are all competitions and Champions are the ones to whom folks want to breed. They must be sure of the pedigree, or you will get unwanted surprises in your pups.
If you win an American Field Championship ,( My favourite venue.), you must send in the dog's DNA to prove its geneology so folks who want to breed to that dog have confidence in the pedigree. ( Studs will jump mountains to get to that bithc. :) )
So if I somehow snuck a mix breed in (pick 2 suitable breeds) and it won....was far superior to the rest of the field.
Why should its DNA matter.....In fact, why wouldn't someone want to consider breeding their (X) to its (X/Y)
I know you're a big reader. You need to read up on how genetics works. I can't explain it well. That X/Y dog may have done great to day, but there are 5+ generations of genes in that dog. One may be hip dysplasia, etc.that will show in the next generation of pups .
http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/intro.htm
Yes it is a crap shoot -not to say that there are ever any promises - but you want to eliminate as many surprises as possible.
PS
In American Field your win would be negated. In CKC you'd never get to register in a trial/test without a pedigree/registration number.
Don't try it. :) I thought you were a believer in following the rules. :)
Lol I am.
but it doesn't answer the question.
Lets say breeder has a champion stud X
and let's say breeder B has a champion Bit Y
lets say we gave them a chance to be dogs.
id jump all over one of the litter.
would you?
we know what the CKC and many others would think.
On occasion, cross-breeding has been authorized by breed clubs, because the number of individuals remaining is too small or to eliminate a genetic defect. For example, controlled cross-breeding of Dalmations with something-or-other was recently permitted to correct a health problem. Those cross-bred dogs are considered purebred Dalmations by the kennel club. I believe the Brittany was also cross-bred in France following the war.
Genetics is a double-edged thing: take the diversity out of the genome and you run into serious problems, but put too much in and you run into other problems. Cross a Lab and a Poodle and you get a Labradoodle; breed those Labradoodle puppies and you get a hodge-podge of who-knows-what as the recessive genes pop up.
The pups produced by X and Y would likely be fine dogs, but they'd be of little long-term value because their pups would be completely unpredictable.
I have nothing against mixes and have owned a few but they certainly don't have the ability that a dog that has been bred for a specific purpose does. My english cocker is the first purebred dog I have ever had from field stock and from the time I brought him home at 9 weeks I was completely blown away by his natural, in-born ability to quarter, find and flush game. The first time he ever had exposure to a bird at 4 months old was a clipped wing pigeon I threw for him and without any training whatsoever he ran out, caught it/picked it up and brought it back to me as if he had been doing it for years. As great as a mixed breed can be, until you see a dog that has been bred for generations and generations do what it was intentionally bred to do - there is without a doubt no comparison. Doesn't mean it can't happen - I saw a husky last year that was a great rabbit hunter. There are always exceptions. However I would bet that there is less than a 1% chance that dog could reproduce a replica of itself. And as someone else noted - you have no idea of the dog's genetic health (whether or not it will have bad hips, cancer, eye problems, EIC, etc.).
Two Champions would have complete pedigrees with DNA proof. I wouldn't definitely jump all over those pups - if I was 30 years younger. :)
One Champion and one who hunts great but has no papers would never be bred by a reputable breeder -unless by accident.
Two dogs that hunt great, but neither have papers would be tempting to buy a pup from, but I would resist as I don't know what's in those years of bred genes. I also wouldn't be able to use that pup in any formal competition.
PS
If you notice, the event UGA and trkyhntr21 posted , have events for non- pedigreed hunting dogs. ( Gundog stake). They are trying to offer opportunities to show off that great , possibly non-papered dog.
"The Hunting Dog Classic in a continuous course non-sanctioned event for dogs that have no adult wins in sanctioned events. It's intended to introduce newbies to our game, come to Gladwin, run the grounds that you own as a citizen of this Great State and hopefully we set the hook on a future coverdog participant." Gladwin event
That's a nugget of information I wasn't aware of Welsh. Tx
I wouldn't. What if the dog ended up really being a firecracker as you are hoping it would be? You could never run it in trials or tests because it is a mutt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
I told you someone could explain genetics better than me. Well said Welsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
You have been talking to someone + Cass interested in formal competition, so our views lean in that direction.
However, even if I only wanted a good, faithful hunting dog, pedigrees would be important to me for the health reasons listed in the link.
Have I taken chances? Sure I have. Was I disappointed eventually? Yes.
Not to say that others have a rescue or non pedigreed dog that has turned out a great. Just not a chance I wanted to take with a dog I wanted to compete with.
Sharon's statement is golden. It all depends on what you want out of the dog. I personally never thought of field trials or anything until I got my guy and he blew my socks off. Now, I am preparing to trial this fall. Do you need to trial just because you have a great dog? Certainly not. However for me it gives me something more I can do with him - and be around people who actually like talking dogs (I love my fiance, but I drive her mental with my dog talk - not an interest of her's lol). My point is I would have hated to end up with a dog like him without papers and not be able to pursue something like that. I didn't think I wanted to trial but he changed my mind. It would be frustrating to have that happen with a dog that you were unable to make that choice with if you wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Very well said.
Reminder to folks that if they get an American Field pedigreed dog, )FDSB), it won't be recognized by the CKC. This will limit your opportunities in Canada.
( Great talking to you guys. My husband is yelling at me to get off the computer. :) ) Au revoir.
Welshs comment about there being occasion where they have allowed cross breeding was what I was referring to, that's the first I'd heard of it.
Also note Terry's where there seems to be an emerging "demand" for competitions and trials of un-papered dogs.
Also note many- many threads bemoaning the lack of participation, disappearing events/clubs...
Funny that.
/one wonders if the day is coming when a dinosaur (s) needs to rethink some things.
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Sharon, I understand the genetic aspect. Depending on devil details arguments can be made both ways on that.
not sure how to word it "properly".
But let me try this way once again, not looking for "answers", or justifications one way or the other. Its more rhetorical, "food for thought" kind of thing.
If I had a X/Y mix (pick two suitable breeds, dunno maybe a Vizla/Weimaranar mix) and it was blowing the competition away.
Would you as an owner/breeder of X or Y.
a) consider breeding your with it? Pay a stud fee?
b) buy one from a litter?
Or would you allow what really amounts to little more than "racism" and the color of its skin (bloodlines) stop you.
The CKC?
Honestly don't see why you are continuing this jben other than to argue if you feel this strongly about your theory go buy your cross breed and train it up and try to prove that hundreds of years of genetics and papers don't mean squat.
Breeding great dogs from isn't as easy as you think even with breeding a champion to another champion from known lines.
Looking forward to hearing about your vizsla/weimaraner cross breed superstar dog.
I would think you had a great dog, JBen, but I wouldn't breed to it because the results would be utterly unpredictable. See my earlier remark about Labradoodles: if you cross a Lab and a Poodle, the resulting pups may be fairly predictable in terms of appearance, etc., but start breeding those pups and you have no idea what traits are going to start popping up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
This isn't "doggy racism," which implies an unfounded prejudice. It's a practical understanding of genetics.
Remember that if you're going to be involved in trials or tests at any kind of serious level, it is going to take a substantial amount of time and money. You want to take out the variables.
Also as welsh has said the breed clubs that have allowed outcrossing do so only under strick guidelines from there breed warden using predetermined individuals and traits to add and is usually only done when the alternative is worse ie a breed dying out or being wiped out like some euro breeds after ww1 and 2.
This I am posting just as a matter of interest in this thread .
Two dogs that I was familiar with came from a mixed breed both retrievers, Labrador Retriever and Golden Retriever, two pups from the same litter purchased by friends [cheaply].
One pup black in colour turned out to be an excellent retriever and water dog, also would hunt and lead it's owner to dead deer. It was for that owner his perfect dog.
The other pup litter mate , [yellow ]in colour and although was a better looking dog as it grew , turned out to be dumb as a stump. That owner tried everything he could do to teach it to retrieve or even get into the water , all turned out to be of no avail, that dog just turned out to be a door mat and just ran around chasing the kids and destroying things.
That dogs owner finally gave up and found the dog a good home and purchased a dog of known pedigree and was very happy.
Mixed breeds ? you never can tell what you get , could be the best of the two or the worst.
" if you're going to be involved in trials or tests at any kind of serious level, it is going to take a substantial amount of time and money. You want to take out the variables." quote Welsh
Exactly. Well said.
Also part of the point of field trials is to improve the breeds. Identifying the best candidates and using them to breed achieves this. the other thing is to "create" a new breed or useful "hybrid" takes years and years. You need to let a dog age and develop to show what they are capable of. People like Wehle who created the famous "Elhew" pointers were wealthy guys with estates and it took years and likely hundreds of breedings and they were still working with a single breed, English Pointers. In practical terms trying to create a breed for the average person is ridiculous. What we have access to is the results of thousands upon thousands of carefully planned breedings by experts.
Rolling the dice and hoping for positive results is ok if you are mixing paint. Dogs live for years so if you get a dud.......
Agree 100% - that's what 'good breeding' is all about - reproducibility in breeding. Not only making sure that there are some very good dogs, but also making sure there are no bad ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I had a mixed breed that was the best hunting dog I could imagine...deer, coons, ducks, vermin of any sort. But hard-headed and completely untrainable. Could not even be trained the simplest things. But could he ever hunt...
In retriever trials a cross bred dog will never win a particular stake. The reason is simple, all dogs entered must be CKC/AKC registered and said registration is printed in the competing catalogue for that stake for all to see.
Kind of makes it difficult to discuss the possibility of it happening when said possibility does not exist.
Several of the first 'labs' I had were from questionable breeding. Did any of them ever amount to anything?.............No. In fact they pale in comparison to all of my dogs that came later once I was introduced to the real world of retrievers.
Gee, you guys make it sound like Eugenics has all sorts of advantages....why haven't they done it with humans; breed in strong genes, rid us of diseases, make a strong more vigorous human. Surely someone in History has made plans for an Aryan race...LOL...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s0potNDdxX...inbreeding.jpg
Godwin's law is borne out again.
Yup and it only took five pages and to be honest I am not really surprised who played that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Never mention or inferred anything about Nazis/Hitler...( the concept of an Aryan race pre-dates them by a few centuries.about the sane time they started to breed dogs :) ) . I think you need to do some reading before you make accusations...
here, I'll help you; ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
and before you go off on a tangent...the comment is to question why the problems associated with Eugenics are ignored and the concept is so heartily embraced by Dog breeders.
It has come back to bite them in the arse with some breeds.
You're already off on a tangent. We're talking about the breeding of dogs, not eugenics (a political movement regarding humans, by definition), not Aryans, and not attempts to create a master race. You're simply trolling, trying to drag the thread into the mud.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Yes...I figured you wouldn't be up for the debate....too bad...but as always, you've ruined the opportunity.
select..."ignore".
in the corner again Mike :) Let's discuss eugenics sometime in the off topic section, but it's a pretty sensitive subject this week . 100 years ago to day, Germany declared war on Russia.
You made a good point Ben about the shortage of entries in CKC and AKC events.
The CKC is working on including mixed breeds in their Obedience events.
The AKC has gone a step farther:
"There are many special benefits to owning a purebred. At the top of the list are matters of predictability and reliability.Purebred dogs are the result of a long process of selective breeding for specific physical attributes and temperaments. When you buy a purebred puppy you know what to expect as far as size, amount and type of coat, and temperament in the grown dog.
When considering a purebred dog it is possible to narrow down the choices to those that most clearly fit your personal lifestyle and interests. For example, will the dog be good with children? Will you have the time to groom and exercise the dog properly? If you buy a dog with qualities you want it's more likely you'll be a responsible owner.
A good purebred breeder will tell you why his or her breed is not for everyone and help guide you to a breed more suited to your lifestyle. These breeders also have the experience to give puppies the care and nurturing they need at critical early stages. This not only insures you'll have a healthy puppy, but that the puppy is much less likely to develop into a difficult or impossible adult.
As an advocate for all dogs and dog owners, AKC will launch a special Mixed Breed Listing program in the fall of 2009. This service will allow owners of mixed breeds participate in standalone AKC Agility, Obedience, and Rally trials. " quote AKC
I feel badly for people who have a mixed breed or an unregistered dog that would like to get into some of the performance events but also feel that it is not the mandate of the CKC or the AKC to provide these events for them. These two registries were established for maintaining a system of registration for purebred dogs. Perhaps this is where it should begin and end and leave the the performance events in the hands of the variuous clubs that work their tails off to put events on. I know that it is the all mighty dollar that is driving this trend towards allowing mixed breeds to compete but feel that by doing so the CKC and the AKC will put themselves on the same level of credibility as the Continental Kennel Club. If their direction is to include mixed breeds then they should set up a totally separate umbrella group and call it something entirely different in association with the CKC or AKC, not included in the registry. What legitamacy will a title on a purebred dog have if the same title can be achieved by a mixed breed? What incentive will there be for breeders to title their dogs? Will all mixed breed dogs competing in performance events need to provide certificates of spay or neuter before that can join? Separate associations such as the Canadian Association of Rally Obedience (CARO ) could be used as models for setting up events.
Not sure, but there seem to be some "misunderstanding". One of the great things in life when you understand the world is rarely black or white (usually shades of grey) is that it means you can appreciate, see, take different "sides" in the same topic. Almost like being unbiased
As is typical with many threads there seems to be a handful of things being…tabled. Im avoiding most :)
As stated a few times, if and when my life allows me to make the commitment to the dog, a purebred Toller will be what I get. So misunderstandings, or "justifications" (catch all word) extolling the benefits or reasons of and for going that route are wasted on me :)
Can you give me 2 or 3 good reasons for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I don't see that it makes the title any less legitimate, as long as the standards haven't changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebenezer
http://www.oodmag.com/community/imag...quote_icon.png Originally Posted Aug. 1 by Sharon http://www.oodmag.com/community/imag...post-right.png
...................Reminder to folks that if they get an American Field pedigreed dog, )FDSB), it won't be recognized by the CKC. This will limit your opportunities in Canada. ..................." quote
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Can you give me 2 or 3 good reasons for that?" quote J Ben
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I can give you one reason; I'm sure others know other reasons.
The FDSB ( Field Dog Stud Book) registration has been around since 1874. Purpose is to focus on dogs bred to perform in the field- pointing ,flushing ,retrieving. Through many years of breeding , the English setter and pointer were bred differently for field work - smaller dog, fewer feathers etc.
The FDSB supports NO conformation showing ; this is not to say that the breeder isn't looking for certain attributes when breeding - large chest/aerobic function, high tail set/ mostly white color ( to see better in the cover), etc.
As there is no conformation requirements for Champions, this is one reason the CKC doesn't recognize the FDSB.
Unfortunate, as many owners of FDSB registered dogs would be glad to participate in CKC test/trials too, thereby increasing the CKC's participants.
FDSB registered setter:
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps52c9efc8.jpg
CKC registered setter:
https://www.ckc.ca/en/Choosing-a-Dog...Setter-English
"As there is no conformation requirements for Champions, this is one reason the CKC doesn't recognize the FDSB."
Do you consider that a "good" reason? I don't. Essentially "racism" (A rose by any other name) based on how the dog/breed "looks" aka the color of its skin, the shape or lines blah blah blah. :)
Well, CKC has traditionally been the guardian of conformation., for the 100 + breeds. I think that's a good thing. You want a toller that looks like a toller, to be available to folks who want a toller that meets the CKC standard for tollers. CKC does a good service in that way.
However when it comes to trials and tests I don't see any reason for the CKC to not allow FDSB registered dogs. Then again I do. :)
If a FDSB registered setter , (above) wins everything ,becomes a Champion, ( breeding starts to happen), the CKC wouldn't want that style of setter to become the conformation standard.
I understand their position.
Then again , just because a FDSB registered setter wins the CKC trial, doesn't mean that has to affect the CKC standard for setters.
Probably some kind of fear involved that it might.
(I think I've had too much coffee and gone in circles here.:) )
PS There are CKC dual champions - field and conformation- but they are few and far between.
When you get your Toller, decide if you want a beautifully looking /conformationally perfect Toller or a Toller you can hunt with. Choose your breeder accordingly. That's one dog that I don't think can be both, but I could be wrong.
Thanks for giving me something to do with my bum knee JBen.
Retriever field trials shall be open to all purebred
Retrievers and IrishWater Spaniels which are eligible
for registration or are registered in the CKC stud
book. All dogs must be 6 months of age or over on
the first day of the trial.
6.1.3 If a dog is not registered individually in the CKC
stud book, it may be entered at a trial held under
these regulations as a “listed” dog, provided that:
(a) If born in Canada, it is eligible for individual
registration.
(b) If not born in Canada, it is eligible for individual
registration in the records of the CKC.
(c) If foreign born and owned, it has an Event Registration
Number, or obtains this number from
the CKC within 30 days of the first trial
entered.
6.1.4 The entry of a listed dog at a field trial held under
these rules (sanctioned field trials excluded) must be
accompanied by the appropriate listing fee and all
listing fees must be remitted by the club holding the
trial to the CKC within 21 days after the trial.
6.1.5 The CKC shall have the right at any time to require
the owner of a listed dog to submit proof of the dog’s
eligibility for registration in the CKC stud book. If the
CKC is satisfied that the dog is not eligible for registration
in the CKC stud book, it shall have the right
to order the cancellation of all wins, championship
points and prizes earned by the dogs at these trials.
6.2 Entry Forms
6.2.1 The following information must appear on each
entry form:
(a) Registered name of dog
(b) CKC individual registration number (if registered
in the CKC stud book), Event Registration
Number or foreign registration number
(c) Name of breed
(d) Sex of dog
(e) Date and place of birth
(f) Names of sire and dam
(g) Names of breeders
(h) Stake entered
This is the current and up to date description around requirements of dogs entered. I provide this not to argue the case for purebreds over non but only to provide what 'is'. I agree with Ebenezer when she questions the role of CKC. Certainly what started as a registry for dogs has broadened in many respects regarding our competitions and of course the amount of $$$ we must submit to them following a competition.
Good post.
Just to clarify for JBen - those rules are for AKC registered dogs and maybe Continental registry , NAVHDA and UKC registry? but not for FDSB registered dogs.
The silver lining JBen is that the dog society is evolving away from the rigid 'purebred' AKC demands for trials and shows and as an organization, the AKC it's sinking fast. Attendance at shows is down, new memberships have waned drastically in the past few years. Apparently not something new dog owners are interesting in anymore.
However, the explosion in popularity of the of the 'open' AAC Agility trials in both Canada and the US will allow 'all' dogs to participate and be 'champions'. Far more entertaining to watch to boot.
http://www.aac.ca/en/home/main/
I encourage forum members to read an article written by a fellow dog musher Jeffrey Bragg - Seppala Kennels. Jeffrey's brief to the C.K.C
in 1996 titled Purebred Dog Breed into the Twenty - First Century. Google Jeffrey Bragg Seppala Kennels.
I think organizations like the FDSB and NAVHDA will always be popular as they are registries geared towards hunting and performance not necessarily conformation and the show type.
I would think that if people ran in these AAC agility trials seriously let's say for 100 yrs eventually there would be a certain type of dog that would be developed to win and a breed name followed by a registry and a pedigree.
After all it should be about fun but at the end of the day everyone wants to win.