Truck talk

My 2006 Nissan Xterra is nearing the end and its replacement (probably in late summer or fall of this year) will be a truck. I have no brand loyalty to speak of so have cast my options wide.

Initially I thought a mid-size truck like the Toyota Tacoma would be my target, but was underwhelmed after driving it and its competitors (GMC Canyon, etc.). It looks as though it will be a "regular" full size truck. It will get used for everything from hauling a canoe trailer to negotiating rough logging roads hunting. It's not going to be "worked to death" in a commercial application.

I've driven the Toyota Tundra, Ford F-150, and Ram thus far. I'm planning to drive a Chevrolet Silverado as well. Currently I have liked the Tundra and F-150 best. Couple questions:

1) The Tundra has a fantastic reliability record and most Toyota trucks I know of are still going strong a decade plus later. I also have heard (and seen reviews) of its 5.7 liter engine being very thirsty, even by V8 truck standards. Have owners found them to guzzle fuel relentlessly or is it similar to every other truck - all of whom are terrible on fuel? I am used to poor fuel economy - my Xterra with BFG KOs rarely gets better than 14 - 15 L per 100 km.

2) Will the F-150 hold up? In my vehicle buying experience (granted, no domestic full size pickups over the long term), my import vehicles have held up better (mechanically and body wise). I'm buying the truck as a ten year vehicle and don't want a rusting unreliable beast when it is a 7 years old with 150 000 km on it.

I find the imports rust faster than domestics imo. Next month is GM truck month so you may find a good deal

Just curious what you didn't like about the Ram truck to me they have the best interiors and power train...also there is an all new 2019 ram 1500 coming out new from the ground up, maybe wait to check that out...

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Just curious what you didn't like about the Ram truck to me they have the best interiors and power train...also there is an all new 2019 ram 1500 coming out new from the ground up, maybe wait to check that out...

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Ram LOL.

My son just bought a Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel ,not much change from $100,000 and it was a demo.Within days a Battery charging problem related to a faulty sensor,took them a week to get the part.Yesterday transmission fluid on the driveway,took it in and rubber seal already gone replaced.He has another sensor gone that needs replaced which is called the Intelligent Battery Sensor,waiting for that part.In today,s mail this morning a recall notice for 'Brake transmission shift interlock" good job the lad got a 10 year all parts warranty.I will not burden you with the cost quoted for simple oil filters at the dealership.

He did not take dad,s advice but here it is Toyota,Toyota,Toyota. Read JD Powers awards for the past 20 years.LOL

If that does not convince you go on auto trader and compare Toyota used truck prices to the Domestic Garbage and the light will come on.

I had no major issues with it on my test drive The Hemi is a powerful engine and the interior was functional and comfortable. I guess I just don't trust Chrysler products that much. My wife had a 2011 Jeep Patriot that was a pretty cheaply made vehicle. I know, the Ram is a Chrysler "flagship" and probably made to a much higher standard, but I also read a lot of stories similar to Gilroy's son below. Also, I've seen a disproportionate number of Ram pickups around town with pretty substantial rust on the quarter panels and rear of the cab.

I drive a Ram 1500 4x4 Quad cab with the 5.7h. In winter I average 12.5l/100 when not towing. We have 7 of these at our office and @ 200 company wide. If they were a problem they wouldn't buy them. Pay attention how many Rams you see on the road. I get 700kms easy on a tank of gas. My 2015 has only had oil changes and its first set of brakes at 165,000 Kms. My wife had a Jeep Liberty that was like a mountain goat but had too many issues. Won't buy another Jeep but would buy a Dodge Ram absolutely. The modern full sized trucks are all good products and will easily give you 10 years of service and better mileage than your Exterra.
My mechanic just bought a new Ram and has been in the business for 30 years. He also told me they are starting to replace turbos now and the repair bills are usually over $4k. Whatever you choose I would go for a V8.

After hitting a deer last year and writing off my nissan xtrail,,,I ended up buying a brand new GMC Canyon,,,4 door 4 wheel drive,,, Short box, Fits in the garage, half decent of fuel and I picked it up when they were offering 20% off..... Out the door price was just over $35000,,,,7000 less than Toyota....
If you are not in a hurry GMC usually offers discounts come October/November

Also do your dealing at the end of the month when the sales managers are scrambling to make quotas. My wife works at large dealership, trust me on that one. Best deals are the last couple days of the month.

You are going to get good and bad in ALL models. I would definitely go with full size. I drove the mid size for about 10yrs. I now have a 2016, 1500 Ram diesel and have had no issues at all. I had the same truck in 2014 got a good deal to go to the 16. Neither truck has been back to the dealer except for oil change. Both trucks have averaged 10.7L/100, which is way better than any of my other vehicles have ever gotten. I tow my boat from April to November and have quad in back other than that, with a lot of city driving. Just go full size and with the one that you feel comfortable in.

Right off the bat, I am an F250 guy (will never own anything but, and next one will be a diesel). I have had the RAM 1500, F150, in 3.7, ECO boost and 5 litre. All good trucks, but the 3.7 and eco boost really don't save that much money over the 5.0L. The main issue for me is towing the big boat, 30ft trailer and truck camper/trailer during hunting season. SO depending on your usage, size your truck accordingly.

However, the other day in downtown Ottawa I seen the new Chevy or GMC small truck and it had a diesel in it. Have not looked it up yet, but I thought that was very cool.

The small truck diesels are coming to North America, having spent the better part of 6 years on missions overseas it always amazed me that North America did not have more small trucks in the diesel market.

Good luck and stay away from as many bell and whistles as possible. Power windows, good sound system and A/C is all I look for and vinyl floors for cleaning.

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Good luck and stay away from as many bell and whistles as possible. Power windows, good sound system and A/C is all I look for and vinyl floors for cleaning.

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Agreed. Too many problems with all the electronic stuff. You will notice most trucks that have issues are the ones that are loaded with all the bells and whistles.

I have a 17 Ram, no issues so far, best mileage I've ever had from a full size 4x4 truck by far. I have no complaints. I have A/C, power windows and doors, 4x4, and bluetooth. I had a hard time finding one without all the bells and whistles. Could have got a loaded truck for a bit less actually.

S.

The tundra's do burn a TON of fuel. My buddy has one and its a pig on fuel. I get waaaaay better mileage.

Just come across a chap in my neighborhood who will be selling his 2012 Toyota Tacoma with 120,000klms. Its a V6 extended cab,auto. He has no idea what he wants for it yet and I am not to sure what to offer but to be reasonable I,am thinking just north of 20 thousand. Any body had one of these and how did you like it. I am pretty sure they are pigs on gas but so is my old GMC Safari AWD.

I know you want big truck. I had all 3 big trucks including diesels. Now I have 2008 Tacoma double cab 4x4 and plan on keeping it for another 10 years. Best truck on fuel or repairs I ever owned.
On my 3rd set tires, one complete brake job, hanger bearing, battery, one head lite, 2 rear shocks, 3 small bulbs and 160 km.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Just come across a chap in my neighborhood who will be selling his 2012 Toyota Tacoma with 120,000klms. Its a V6 extended cab,auto. He has no idea what he wants for it yet and I am not to sure what to offer but to be reasonable I,am thinking just north of 20 thousand. Any body had one of these and how did you like it. I am pretty sure they are pigs on gas but so is my old GMC Safari AWD.

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Offer him 18 and let him work you up to 20. Bet you get it for 20 or less.

A 2008 fully load limited trim parkage is only going for 14, if you can find them for sale. Most of the time they never see the show room floor. In the shop door out the back and hand the keys to the new owner. They are sold before the new truck leaves the lot.

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Offer him 18 and let him work you up to 20. Bet you get it for 20 or less.

A 2008 fully load limited trim parkage is only going for 14, if you can find them for sale. Most of the time they never see the show room floor. In the shop door out the back and hand the keys to the new owner. They are sold before the new truck leaves the lot.

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Thanks Snowwalker, my research on them rounds out to about an average of $21,000 for that type of vehicle and year , I am pretty sure this was a weekend run around truck,but I agree with your figures.

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Thanks Snowwalker, my research on them rounds out to about an average of $21,000 for that type of vehicle and year , I am pretty sure this was a weekend run around truck,but I agree with your figures.

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A good source is autotrader.ca. Punch in year and model and you will see some real world asking prices.

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Thanks Snowwalker, my research on them rounds out to about an average of $21,000 for that type of vehicle and year , I am pretty sure this was a weekend run around truck,but I agree with your figures.

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Yup. If you look at trucks at the dealer, they list them around 28. But you can talk them down, and from the dealer it comes with a warranty.

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A good source is autotrader.ca. Punch in year and model and you will see some real world asking prices.

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Autotrader is fully of dealer prices. As I just said to Gilroy, a 2012 goes around 28 at the dealer, but it's coming with a factory warranty.

I like buying from dealers. First you dump your trade in and save the tax on it. Then you have service and anybody who can't get s dealer to knock $1000 off asking is probably a liberal.

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I like buying from dealers. First you dump your trade in and save the tax on it. Then you have service and anybody who can't get s dealer to knock $1000 off asking is probably a liberal.

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Karen got $1500 off and all new brakes.

Small trucks come with big expenses because there are fewer of them. Its basic economics. Check out what a set of rims /-tires will cost you. But I'd never buy a small pickup based on that alone. It never fails that a day will come when that puny little box won't take what you need.
Another basic fact--bigger engine, more power takes more gas.Thats a no brainer.
I've owned a pick up since 1971 and driven them on the job every day. My ideal truck is an automatic tranny, small V8, 4x4, extended cab, a/c and satellite radio.

I'm hoping to get a newer truck later this year, if I do it will be the Aluminum F150. Makes complete sense. Not Rust and rust is the number one killer of trucks. My Buddy just bought a 2018 had it Rhino coated and the underneath rust treated by Ford in 5 years it needs to be reinspected for frame rust and he is good until he dies.

He bought a plain Jane which seem to really baffle the dealership no add on's all he got was single Cab, 4wd with locker and the body shield. No Power windows and no power doors, no nothing else and the floor is just plain no carpets. Took 9 weeks the dealer said nobody ever order something so plain before.

Ford switched to Aluminum in 2015 so I will be looking for a 2016 + as soon as I land a new contract.

I'm approaching 1 year on my 2018 F150 with a 5L in it
when going to purchase a new truck I took the whole family and made a day out of driving all the trucks and at the end of the day the Ford was the winner hands down
after almost a full year there has not been one single disappointment at all or anything I didn't expect. Fuel economy is decent at around 12L/100km about 1100km/tank. tows the boat, sleds and atv's with ease and it looks great
only suggestions I have are get the towing mirrors (they are amazing) add the spotlights, I also invested in a torsion towing hitch that makes towing a dream well worth the $700 investment

Dan

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I'm hoping to get a newer truck later this year, if I do it will be the Aluminum F150. Makes complete sense. Not Rust and rust is the number one killer of trucks. My Buddy just bought a 2018 had it Rhino coated and the underneath rust treated by Ford in 5 years it needs to be reinspected for frame rust and he is good until he dies.

He bought a plain Jane which seem to really baffle the dealership no add on's all he got was single Cab, 4wd with locker and the body shield. No Power windows and no power doors, no nothing else and the floor is just plain no carpets. Took 9 weeks the dealer said nobody ever order something so plain before.

Ford switched to Aluminum in 2015 so I will be looking for a 2016 + as soon as I land a new contract.

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I drive the 2016 lariat with aluminum body. Excellent vehicle so far.


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I've had my 2016 F150 with 5.0 for just over 2 years now. Great truck and good mileage, especially compared to my 2005 F150 with the 5.4. It still feels like a new truck to me everytime I drive it.

Edit, FYI 2016 F150 got top safety pick.
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My 2006 Nissan Xterra is nearing the end and its replacement (probably in late summer or fall of this year) will be a truck. I have no brand loyalty to speak of so have cast my options wide.

Initially I thought a mid-size truck like the Toyota Tacoma would be my target, but was underwhelmed after driving it and its competitors (GMC Canyon, etc.). It looks as though it will be a "regular" full size truck. It will get used for everything from hauling a canoe trailer to negotiating rough logging roads hunting. It's not going to be "worked to death" in a commercial application.

I've driven the Toyota Tundra, Ford F-150, and Ram thus far. I'm planning to drive a Chevrolet Silverado as well. Currently I have liked the Tundra and F-150 best. Couple questions:

1) The Tundra has a fantastic reliability record and most Toyota trucks I know of are still going strong a decade plus later. I also have heard (and seen reviews) of its 5.7 liter engine being very thirsty, even by V8 truck standards. Have owners found them to guzzle fuel relentlessly or is it similar to every other truck - all of whom are terrible on fuel? I am used to poor fuel economy - my Xterra with BFG KOs rarely gets better than 14 - 15 L per 100 km.

2) Will the F-150 hold up? In my vehicle buying experience (granted, no domestic full size pickups over the long term), my import vehicles have held up better (mechanically and body wise). I'm buying the truck as a ten year vehicle and don't want a rusting unreliable beast when it is a 7 years old with 150 000 km on it.

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GM is building full size trucks in Oshawa,again,after closing their truck plant 10 years ago. Canadian trucks were always at the very top of JD Power Index for quality and reliability and were the market leaders for decades. Silverado and Sierra trucks have just started to roll off the assembly and have hit the top quality index,already. To check for a an Oshawa built truck,the VIN # will start with a 2.

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GM is building full size trucks in Oshawa,again,after closing their truck plant 10 years ago. Canadian trucks were always at the very top of JD Power Index for quality and reliability and were the market leaders for decades. Silverado and Sierra trucks have just started to roll off the assembly and have hit the top quality index,already. To check for a an Oshawa built truck,the VIN # will start with a 2.

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Are these the new 2019 redesign or the final run of 2018 trucks?

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Are these the new 2019 redesign or the final run of 2018 trucks?

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2019 new design.

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2019 new design.

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Unless things have changed in the last 2 months, the 2019 won't be produced in Oshawa.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...ada-production

However, the current model (2018's K2's) will still be produced in 2019, and ongoing in parallel with the 2019's (T2's).

I've been trying to replace my 1998 sierra (425k) for over a year now. I had been looking for a 2-4 year old with under 80k on it and was continually shocked by how much people are asking for them. I almost bought a 2017 w/ 37k on it for 33,500 - but with truck month starting, I could buy the exact same truck 2018/0km for less 2k more. Buying used doesn't make a lot of sense given the prices on the used ones.

For that price you get v8/4x4/locking diff/double cab/trailer package/20" chromed alloy rims.

Here's GM's truck finder. The prices there are cash prices - add about 2800 if you take the financing. Those prices include everything but taxes.

https://www.chevroletoffers.ca/Vehic...odyColor=Black

You'll find the prices much cheaper looking towards Toronto. Check both Kijiji and Auto Trader. I saw a 2016 at Christmas 4x4 F150 with 25K on it for 25 thousand

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Unless things have changed in the last 2 months, the 2019 won't be produced in Oshawa.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...ada-production

However, the current model (2018's K2's) will still be produced in 2019, and ongoing in parallel with the 2019's (T2's).

I've been trying to replace my 1998 sierra (425k) for over a year now. I had been looking for a 2-4 year old with under 80k on it and was continually shocked by how much people are asking for them. I almost bought a 2017 w/ 37k on it for 33,500 - but with truck month starting, I could buy the exact same truck 2018/0km for less 2k more. Buying used doesn't make a lot of sense given the prices on the used ones.

For that price you get v8/4x4/locking diff/double cab/trailer package/20" chromed alloy rims.

Here's GM's truck finder. The prices there are cash prices - add about 2800 if you take the financing. Those prices include everything but taxes.

https://www.chevroletoffers.ca/Vehic...odyColor=Black

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You'll find the prices much cheaper looking towards Toronto. Check both Kijiji and Auto Trader.

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I found the exact opposite last summer GW...I was selling a 2011 4x4 Silverado for $14K on Kijiji for a neighbour....All, and I mean ALL, the calls came in from southern Ont...as far as London. Not one inquiry from anyone this side of Kingston (sold it to that guy) for $13.5K.

GW..I had to put a new tranny in my 97 GMC 1500 4x4 last summer..took my total investment into the truck up to $5.5K..I've had it for 6 yrs now, so still less than my $1K a yr budget for a p/u...LOL...

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

Unless things have changed in the last 2 months, the 2019 won't be produced in Oshawa.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...ada-production

However, the current model (2018's K2's) will still be produced in 2019, and ongoing in parallel with the 2019's (T2's).

I've been trying to replace my 1998 sierra (425k) for over a year now. I had been looking for a 2-4 year old with under 80k on it and was continually shocked by how much people are asking for them. I almost bought a 2017 w/ 37k on it for 33,500 - but with truck month starting, I could buy the exact same truck 2018/0km for less 2k more. Buying used doesn't make a lot of sense given the prices on the used ones.

For that price you get v8/4x4/locking diff/double cab/trailer package/20" chromed alloy rims.

Here's GM's truck finder. The prices there are cash prices - add about 2800 if you take the financing. Those prices include everything but taxes.

https://www.chevroletoffers.ca/Vehic...odyColor=Black

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GM would NEVER remodel an entire plant and spend over $500M to not build new trucks. The start up is building the rest of the 2018 models with a rolling changeover scheduled for early June. The days of the big shutdowns to do a changeover have been gone for decades. Changeovers,now,can be completed in under 72 hrs.

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You'll find the prices much cheaper looking towards Toronto. Check both Kijiji and Auto Trader. I saw a 2016 at Christmas 4x4 F150 with 25K on it for 25 thousand

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Agree with you on that. Ottawa is a horrible place to buy a truck - new or used. I only got the deal I did because I showed him the online add from a coburg dealership and asked him to match it. The one I mentioned 2017 w/37k was in Oshawa. Did a couple of trips to southern Ontario to look at trucks.

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GM would NEVER remodel an entire plant and spend over $500M to not build new trucks. The start up is building the rest of the 2018 models with a rolling changeover scheduled for early June. The days of the big shutdowns to do a changeover have been gone for decades. Changeovers,now,can be completed in under 72 hrs.

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As far as the 500m investment, small potatoes compared to the 3b in Fort Wayne and 1b in Mexico, where the new models will be built, and as far as the 72 hour change-over - GM would disagree with that.

Did you read the article? Headline is "GM plant in Oshawa won't produce redesigned 2019 GMC Sierra, Chevy Silverado".

Lead paragraphs sure make it look like the 2019 won't be assembled in Oshawa - unless I've completely lost my grasp of the English language.

UPDATED: 12/20/17 2:22 pm ET - corrected

Editor's note: GM is upgrading the consolidated line at its Oshawa assembly plant. An earlier version of this story referred to the incorrect line being upgraded.

General Motors Canada will indeed assemble the GMC Sierra and Chevrolet Silverado at its Oshawa plant, but they won’t be the redesigned 2019 models.

Instead, the plant will finish assembling and paint outgoing 2018 models shipped to Oshawa from Fort Wayne, Ind., for the foreseeable future.

Also, from the GM insider news:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/articles...019-goes-sale/

"GM Oshawa Will Build the Legacy Silverado, Not the 2019 Truck"

..and if you don't know what a "Legacy Silverado" is, it's the current model, which will be produced concurrently with the new model for the 2019 model year. - So post 2018, you will still be able to buy a 2018, it will just be labelled a "2019 Legacy Silverado" - but it's not the 2019 model.

The reason I want something very new like the F150 is if I treat the frame correctly and with the body being aluminum it should technically last me for ever and no more ripping apart old trucks, I guess that doesn't solve computer problems thought.

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I found the exact opposite last summer GW...I was selling a 2011 4x4 Silverado for $14K on Kijiji for a neighbour....All, and I mean ALL, the calls came in from southern Ont...as far as London. Not one inquiry from anyone this side of Kingston (sold it to that guy) for $13.5K.

GW..I had to put a new tranny in my 97 GMC 1500 4x4 last summer..took my total investment into the truck up to $5.5K..I've had it for 6 yrs now, so still less than my $1K a yr budget for a p/u...LOL...

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As far as the 500m investment, small potatoes compared to the 3b in Fort Wayne and 1b in Mexico, where the new models will be built, and as far as the 72 hour change-over - GM would disagree with that.

Did you read the article? Headline is "GM plant in Oshawa won't produce redesigned 2019 GMC Sierra, Chevy Silverado".

Lead paragraphs sure make it look like the 2019 won't be assembled in Oshawa - unless I've completely lost my grasp of the English language.

UPDATED: 12/20/17 2:22 pm ET - corrected

Editor's note: GM is upgrading the consolidated line at its Oshawa assembly plant. An earlier version of this story referred to the incorrect line being upgraded.

General Motors Canada will indeed assemble the GMC Sierra and Chevrolet Silverado at its Oshawa plant, but they won’t be the redesigned 2019 models.

Instead, the plant will finish assembling and paint outgoing 2018 models shipped to Oshawa from Fort Wayne, Ind., for the foreseeable future.

Also, from the GM insider news:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/articles...019-goes-sale/

"GM Oshawa Will Build the Legacy Silverado, Not the 2019 Truck"

..and if you don't know what a "Legacy Silverado" is, it's the current model, which will be produced concurrently with the new model for the 2019 model year. - So post 2018, you will still be able to buy a 2018, it will just be labelled a "2019 Legacy Silverado" - but it's not the 2019 model.

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It seems they're telling the media one thing and their employees another. Why am I not surprised.

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I'm hoping to get a newer truck later this year, if I do it will be the Aluminum F150. Makes complete sense. Not Rust and rust is the number one killer of trucks. My Buddy just bought a 2018 had it Rhino coated and the underneath rust treated by Ford in 5 years it needs to be reinspected for frame rust and he is good until he dies.

He bought a plain Jane which seem to really baffle the dealership no add on's all he got was single Cab, 4wd with locker and the body shield. No Power windows and no power doors, no nothing else and the floor is just plain no carpets. Took 9 weeks the dealer said nobody ever order something so plain before.

Ford switched to Aluminum in 2015 so I will be looking for a 2016 + as soon as I land a new contract.

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Ford did a rust treatment on his truck? I have a 2016 F150 and they advised me not to do it. They tell me the frame and other metal parts have been E-Coated to prevent premature rust. Upon researching this on some Ford F150 forums, there's some unhappy truck owners because of early rust signs on the truck frames. 2015 up to 2018. I have 30k on mine with no rust. I think I'm going to do what your buddy did and have it sprayed.

I have a 2008 Tundra 4.7. Thirsty? Yes. Reliable? Yes. 10 years and 280,000km. Brakes and a muffler is all that it's needed. Oh and a windshield, but that wasn't her fault. I do all fluid changes at their recommended service point and have it crowned every second year. I don't haul much more than a 16' aluminum boat a few times a year but the sled and the atv are in the back most weekends of the fall/winter.

Had a 1998 Tacoma that I took to about 350k before it was frame recalled.

Not a truck, but the Corolla in the driveway has 299,999km and still going but not counting. Odometer stopped. I joked with the service guy that whoever did the purchasing for these models mustn't have thought much of Toyota.

No, I don't work for Toyota but they do make a great bunch of vehicles.


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Karen has a 2004 4runner Limited. We are to the point of replacing parts( axles, coil springs, water/powersteering pump and things) not because they are broke but because they have been on the truck for 15 years. We are replacing the parts now so they don't break on the trail. We are also converting her truck's factory air ride suspension to an OME( That is Old Man Emu) 3 inch lift coil over suspension system.

Planning a three week overland trip in 2019, and want both the tacoma and 4runner for the trip.

I am a real believer in the "Built not bought" option. You can simple go to a 4X4 shop and buy something off their lot, but do you really understand how the systems work?

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Being in sales I go through a vehicle every 4 years. Normal Kms at that point is always over 300k. The best trouble free vehicle was a Camry XLE v6 that built in Japan. The only thing it needed were tires brakes and timing belts on proper intervals. Toyota make quality products but that doesn't mean the rest are junk.

He paid for lifetime protection from Ford

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Ford did a rust treatment on his truck? I have a 2016 F150 and they advised me not to do it. They tell me the frame and other metal parts have been E-Coated to prevent premature rust. Upon researching this on some Ford F150 forums, there's some unhappy truck owners because of early rust signs on the truck frames. 2015 up to 2018. I have 30k on mine with no rust. I think I'm going to do what your buddy did and have it sprayed.

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Toyota make quality products but that doesn't mean the rest are junk.

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Boys still have to have something to fight over.....All in fun. There is always that one that takes it a little too seriously.

I've driven a Sierra for the last 5 years, and will be buying a Toyota next. Sick and tired of little electronic crap going wrong, and huge repair bills that shouldn't be happening.

Agreed...I love my 2015 Tacoma :o, purchased 1yr old with 10k. Imports usually tend to hold there re-sale value down the road. Decent on gas as I can get to North Bay on 3/4 tank, cost to fill from fuel light to full is $75 depending on cost per litre, so it is a smaller tank. Small downside is the ground clearance to the under carriage could have been an inch or 2 higher, braking excellent, tight in the back for 3 adults
Good luck on your purchase!

Just ordered a 2018 F150 XLT 301a super crew 4x4 w/XTR package, trailer mirrors, trailer brake controller a month ago.
Probably another month or 2 before I get it.
Drove Ford years ago and had great luck so I thought I'd try again.
Been driving GMC since 1996 and had great luck except for 2001 ext.cab 4x4.
Rear disc brakes were changed under warranty 3 times. Fuel filter left me sitting at a stop light in 2003 and that was last straw.
Traded for another of same and drove it til 2009 and I know the guy that bought 03 from dealer and he is still driving it.
Traded for 2012 of same only loaded up better with options and been quite happy with it.
As they say, a change is as good as a rest. looking forward to the F150.

Everyone thinks there truck is the greatest until it fails. lol

I work for a company that supplies Toyota, Subaru, GM & Ford. All the parts come off the same line. If you think your truck is something special think again. In this global economy most of the components come from the same sourced suppliers. All companies source as many parts as possible from China. Government regulations dictate a certain amount of North American content. If it was a free for all they would all come from China. It's all about perception & a roll of the dice that the major truck parts were built correctly from the suppliers to the assembly plants.

BTW - I drive a 2017 Ram outdoorsman purely because of the low cost & great warranty. All trucks will break sooner or later & all you can hope for is some-one else will cover the cost...

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Well I set up a notification on Kijiji for a Ford 150 seems 90% of all Trucks only have a 6.6 box, going to be a long wait looking for a long box.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Well I set up a notification on Kijiji for a Ford 150 seems 90% of all Trucks only have a 6.6 box, going to be a long wait looking for a long box.

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You may have to go the route of a used fleet vehicle. The last time I asked about a bench seat, long box with rubber mats they told me they only order them in special for fleet customers.

I'm watching for you GW...I have a couple of friends that drive the hwy's for a living and I asked them to keep and eye for you too...spring should see more P/U sitting out at the end of the driveway for sale...

Thanks MikePal, Yeah my buddy Tim had to wait 8 weeks to get his new truck they never had anyone order a truck with Reg cab long box and the only accessories were 4x4, skid plates and trailer hitch, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

You may have to go the route of a used fleet vehicle. The last time I asked about a bench seat, long box with rubber mats they told me they only order them in special for fleet customers.

I'm watching for you GW...I have a couple of friends that drive the hwy's for a living and I asked them to keep and eye for you too...spring should see more P/U sitting out at the end of the driveway for sale...

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Hey GW....here's an idea..lots of long boxes at the wreckers and CT has cargo straps on sale.
May take some longer ramps to get the ATV loaded though....LOL..

https://i.imgur.com/aD5uy3Lm.jpg

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Thanks MikePal, Yeah my buddy Tim had to wait 8 weeks to get his new truck they never had anyone order a truck with Reg cab long box and the only accessories were 4x4, skid plates and trailer hitch, nothing else.

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GM still build "work trucks" exactly as you described. They're pretty much stripped of all options except power glass and door locks, a standard radio and 4X4 floor shifter. Dealers don't usually stock them because there's really very little call for them,but,they can get them from Fort Wayne Assembly
inside a week.

I did see a 2008 F150/F250 Government owned being sold in Sudbury. It had a small extended cab and a 8 ft box was some specialty truck as it had part F150 and F250 was also rigged for plowing but never used. Going to see if I can find it again.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

GM still build "work trucks" exactly as you described. They're pretty much stripped of all options except power glass and door locks, a standard radio and 4X4 floor shifter. Dealers don't usually stock them because there's really very little call for them,but,they can get them from Fort Wayne Assembly
inside a week.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I did see a 2008 F150/F250 Government owned being sold in Sudbury. It had a small extended cab and a 8 ft box was some specialty truck as it had part F150 and F250 was also rigged for plowing but never used. Going to see if I can find it again.

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Propably a 7700 heavy payload. What they used to call heavy half. I own a couple. Great truck but it has a hanger bearing. They don't last. Problem is its part of the drive shaft now. I think it cost me close to 3000.00. I changed 2 on one truck then one on the other. Wheels are also bastards 7 stud. Hard to get spare wheel out in the boonies. Just buying regular F150 now. Good Luck.

OK so I have changed my qualifications a little bit maybe a 8 ft box isn't completely necessary maybe a 6.6 would be OK. The only reason I actually wanted one was for ease of driving the 4 wheeler into it. I don't care about lumber hanging out. So I was looking at these two trucks and they have well under 200K. Going to check them out this week some time.


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details...dId=1348911947

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...uck/1336232220

But they're Fords GW....they should be giving you money to take them off their hands ....LOL...

I've own two Jimmy's and both have had similar problems, I swear I know more about the 4x4 system then GM.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

But they're Fords GW....they should be giving you money to take them off their hands ....LOL...

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I's starting to agree with the old Moniker Garage Mans Curse.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

But they're Fords GW....they should be giving you money to take them off their hands ....LOL...

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My 2010 F250 had it hanger bearing replaced at 90K under warrantee. The dealer did not replace the hanger bearing..he replaced the whole drive shaft from back to front.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Propably a 7700 heavy payload. What they used to call heavy half. I own a couple. Great truck but it has a hanger bearing. They don't last. Problem is its part of the drive shaft now. I think it cost me close to 3000.00. I changed 2 on one truck then one on the other. Wheels are also bastards 7 stud. Hard to get spare wheel out in the boonies. Just buying regular F150 now. Good Luck.

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GW...I sent a PM..

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Originally Posted by line052

My 2010 F250 had it hanger bearing replaced at 90K under warrantee. The dealer did not replace the hanger bearing..he replaced the whole drive shaft from back to front.

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Yes the hanger bearing is part of the drive shaft now. You can’t just change the hanger bearing like before.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

OK so I have changed my qualifications a little bit maybe a 8 ft box isn't completely necessary maybe a 6.6 would be OK. The only reason I actually wanted one was for ease of driving the 4 wheeler into it. I don't care about lumber hanging out. So I was looking at these two trucks and they have well under 200K. Going to check them out this week some time.


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details...dId=1348911947

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...uck/1336232220

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I can fit my ATV into my Ram no problem. You do have to keep the tailgate down which is no biggie. Just make sure you protect your back window. I use a wood pallet.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Yes the hanger bearing is part of the drive shaft now. You can’t just change the hanger bearing like before.

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You can have a two piece drive shaft made for your truck and then just replace bearings and universal joints like before.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

You can have a two piece drive shaft made for your truck and then just replace bearings and universal joints like before.

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Thanks. Now I just buy the regular F150 without hanger bearing. Never had any problems with that since.