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Bear shot dead in newmarket since ministry can't respond to call after two hours waiting do you think there's a problem with in the system
what a shame ,people in that area are not happy ,,Dutch
That's too bad. Hopefully it didn't go to waste.
I thought the MNR made it pretty clear a year or two ago that they will not take care of bear problem anymore!!!! So, it kind of make sense if they didn't answer, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by deerslayer
Heaven forbid they should have money in the budget to deal with this eventuality,but,N-O-O-O,we get "bear wise" bullshyte,instead. The part that really PO's me is that they knew for two days there was a problem,but,waited until this morning to actually do something. To add insult to injury,the Police shot the Bear just as OMNRF staff arrived with proper equipment to deal with the situation. Somebody needs a -whuppin' for tis fiasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Just another sad display of police brutality....
If the bear attacked I can see shooting it but if it's just trying to survive or stay out of the way I say leave it alone or re-locate it...
I bear hunt & respect this animal, there is a time and place to shoot a bear & this is not one of them..........
Now all the excuses will be coming in from ministry
It all started with too many police with helicopters chasing it should have just been a couple of police watching it not freaking it out would like to here what the minister of mnrf has to say
Can just imagine the call that came in all of our offices are closed right now could you please call back at 9am when someone is here to take your call
Lots of bears get the s-s-s.
That this one makes the news doesn't make it more important than any of the others.
And if we are trying to place blame...
Its not with the cops. They are not wildlife specialists. This is how they deal with problem wildlife.
Its not with MNR. Their policy is not to handle bear problems.
Possibly with the municipality animal control? Not sure about that either.
Got to disagree with you here. A problem animal is a problem animal. Be it a coyote, raccoon, or a bear within city limits. Quick safe cost effective way to deal with a displaced animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
I'm not surprise at all they deployed the all unit for a bad bear!Quote:
Originally Posted by deerslayer
Last week someone in this forum reported that a "Fawn" was a source of danger for his community, and animal control got involved ..... People seems to be different in the city.
Oh ya all problem animals should be shot on sight even family pet's protecting their owners property get the same treatment from the cops. If one of these yahoos shot my dog in my yard I may have an issue with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Well I hope they don't shoot the peacock that escaped from the zoo on the weekend, the police/mnr should have a butterfly net for that one.
As with anything the situation needs to be taken into account. Police responding in the line of duty got no problem with that. For me its my responsibility that my dog remains not a threat to anyone else or its self. When not supervised she is in a kennel inside a fenced yard. If she, forget about biting, charges someone in aggressive manner its my failing not one who is charged with the protection of the public and quite rightly their own protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
Give your head a shake ! It wasn't a dog that was shot. Bears don't belong wandering around in people's back yards in urban areas. Once the police were called, the liability would be enormous if they did nothing and someone was injured. They don't have the resources to deal with nuisance bear issues, nor the time. The blame lies squarely with the MNRF. This is not the first bear police have shot, and most certainly won't be the last.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
The ministry is always putting fees up on licenses to deal with problems and supply services they either need to put up or have people trained in different areas to deal with these situations just as in lake nippising ministry won't listen to people trying to help till its to late. Get rid of some office people and put more on the ground
NO the blame does not go straight to the MNRF ... it GOES to the current and at least past 2 Ontario Provincial governments !!! for SLASHING the budget to the MNRF -- reducing employees who may otherwise have been there to respond in a more timely manner !!
I thought the govt. gave the job of bear control to the OPP, a few years ago?
They killed a bear that wandered into the city - no big deal. These protestors should go home and take a nap - wonder if they would be out in full force if that bear had trashed their house or killed something of theirs. MNR didn't respond in time so cops took over. They did what they could - what if they waited around for the MNR to show up and the bear ran across a highway and caused a major collision? We live on the bears land but the bear has no business in the city, especially one like Toronto with many uneducated people. Too bad for the bear but what else was to be done in this situation?
People who believe the bear should not be shot are not protesters but respect wildlife. I am an avid hunter and fisherman but the ministry should have been involved from sat when this bear was spotted from what I understand they were called at 615. Am and left I believe Branford they got there 3 hours later get timming. The police should have a couple of officers able to use a tranquilizer gun
People who don't respect wildlife are usually bound to make some dishonest so called mistakes
If both the OPP and the MNRF are waffling on the issue, maybe the townships need to expand the duties of their Animal Control officers beyond house pets and livestock.
The taxpayers have the right to demand they be protected from marauding wild life....someone just has to decide who pulls the trigger.
Exactly, couldn't agree more. Take it one step further even!! Imagine if it had mauled or killed someone! Then that too would be put on the Leo's. Unfortunately a no win situation for all involved, including the bear. Smoky verses smokies and smoky lost. Just wondering? Where there any murders, rapes, muggings or children molested in the same time frame, in the same city??? Unfortunately , I imagine there was. Did anyone protest or demonstrate or call anybody out demanding answers?? I can almost guarantee emphatically NO!!! Same old, same old "Walt Disney Syndrome ". Unfortunate but true. If societies problems received the same amount of media attention public scrutiny and dollars as " the poor critters" do, we might just be able to at least help societal woes a tiny bit. But don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen, critters are cute and cuddly and matter more than humans!! What a sad sorry time it has become when, animals tasks precedence over humanity!!Quote:
Originally Posted by troutddicted
Frikin right Bushman. Well said. So one bear was shot. Some of you guys are feakin laughable. You hate the ole north versus south thing and the term citiot but man oh man sometimes it's well earned. you will attack the cops for doing their friggin jobs. Politicians yank us around and screw the resource sector by gutting the MNR and all of sudden it's their fault too. All the while revering the great beautiful bear. Ya they are cool, beautiful animals to be respected and enjoyed. We don't need to shoot them just for the sake of shooting them. Agreed. You will chasitize the northern rural resident who shoots them because "you live in their territory" and must learn to co-exist. So where is the "human territory"? Cities right? So now you are supposed to co-exist with them there too? Man is part of nature. Two eyes in front of his head. Man protected his habitat and one bear down. Too bad for the bear. Hopefully the next one will learn about where the "human territory" is before they get a 9mm sandwich......and oh by the way....plenty of bears left. Plenty!
(..and oh ya before you all get your panties in a bunch about the north south, citiot thing I fully appreciate there are good decent outdoorsman who are cursed and forced to live in the big city. Even a couple ones who actually choose to live there lol. I am not talking to you and just making a point about that general divide that comes up and why. The ones who get all worked up are the citiots I am referring to and they know who they are and are part of bigger picture I am referring to in mainstream media AND this forum)
Police are not mandated to deal with wildlife issues. The MNRF are. The facts are, Police are the only government agency that is open and available 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. As a result, the police are left to deal with these issues. That also goes for mental health issues and a whole host of other things that have been dumped onto the police. Should they start carrying tranq weapons now as one poster thinks ? Absolutely not ! People continue to squack about bloated police budgets, but all these extra duties and responsibilities that Joe Public wants them responsible for, come at increased costs...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that when our illustrious MNRF saw fit to stop dealing with nuisance bear issues, things would not go well for the bears. As long as MNRF shirk their responsibilities, this type of occurrence will continue. Bears in back yards equate to public safety. Police will be forced to deal with this issue as quickly and safely as possible. That's not a good thing for the bears ! I'm surprised it took as long as it did !Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I hope these situations continue to occur maybe then people will realize a need to re-instate a spring bear season.
I'm not surprised it took so long for MNR to respond. They are so under-staffed they don't even respond to poaching calls anymore.
I doubt it, seems most in the city think you can just drop off the wildlife anyplace in the country.
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Originally Posted by Obi-wanShinobi
Two days for someone to actually do something is absolutely inexcusable. The Police say it's an OMNRF problem and they're right,it's their mandate. The net result is as we have seen this morning. Can you imagine the yelling,screaming and outrage if someone's kid had have been mauled or killed? TWO DAYS?? WTH?? It looks like the Police simply ran out of time and options. This mornings incident is a glaring example of complete ineptitude from the Minister on down. "Bear Wise" my a**. That's nothing but BS and bafflegab.
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Originally Posted by MikePal
Yes and it's your township that hire the OPP to provide the service of protecting the citizens. If the OPP doesn't want to duty...then the Townships should be held responsible to hire someone who will, on a 24/7 basis. Most already have Animal Control Officers, it's just a matter of assigning duties to include wildlife that are endangering the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Meanwhile the 'political' finger pointing has begun...from: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/01...isk-oppositionQuote:
TORONTO - The Ministry of Natural Resources has abandoned its responsibility for nuisance bears, putting public safety at risk, opposition parties charge.
Police have said repeated attempts to get a response from MNR were unsuccessful and the decision was made to shoot the bear.
“The Liberals have cut MNR to the bone,” NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said Monday. “So what does it take? It takes a black bear wandering the front lawn of Queen's Park for the MNR, for the minister, to realize what a mess they've made of the situation?”
Progressive Conservative MPP Jeff Yurek said it's disappointing that the Ministry took so long to respond to the problem of a bear wandering through built-up areas.
“We knew on the weekend,” Yurek said. “I don't know why the ministry couldn't have assembled the truck with the supplies during the weekend and ready to roll first thing in the morning when they got the call from the police.”
Natural Resources Minister Bill Mauro said police are the first responders if a nuisance animal becomes a public safety concern.
"Ministry staff received a call for assistance between 6:30-7 a.m. Monday morning from police,” he said.
“When they got there the bear had already been (killed), but they were on route or they were there,” Mauro said. “I know that it's unfortunate that the bear was (killed). I'm not going to second guess the actions or the decisions of the York Regional Police in terms of how they responded to this.”
Maura said it's unfair to blame the MNR Bear Wise program, saying it still offers support and guidance to municipalities through a hotline and website.
While people would have preferred to see the animal trapped and relocated, there's no guarantee of success that the bear can be caught or that it won't promptly return, Mauro said.
“That process was in place for quite some time, it didn't have a great deal of success,” Mauro said, of the trap and release program.
Yurek said the ministry's decision to download responsibility for nuisance bears onto municipalities and police services puts the public at greater risk.
MNR was asked to respond to the Newmarket bear – in fact, was likely aware of sightings over the weekend – and yet failed to show up on time, he said.
“And it's unfortunate that the minister didn't seem to recognize that there's a problem with the organization,” Yurek said.
Where would folks like this bear to have been relocated to? We have more than enough of the damn things in rural Ontario.
City hall in TOQuote:
Originally Posted by DaleK
Queens park
High park
Would offer my freezer if it would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleK
Me too. Looked like one of those young tender 2 to 3 year old tender bears.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
There's an mnr office aurora.. why did they come from Brantford?Quote:
Originally Posted by deerslayer
Just found out where the bear was shot.. less than 8km to my backyard... had I been home and seen it.. a 270 win of met the bear.. and followed by a new home in the freezer.. next time cops should shoo the bear west..
They had to phone around and find out who or which detachment had the most gas in their truck's !Quote:
Originally Posted by topher
decent size bear
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/new...et-ont-/51984/
i guess the co's stopped for coffee at tim hortons then had to go back they forgot the donuts for bait
The MNR have basically washed their hands of the bear situation in Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
That seems to be the theme among the Smoky lovers on Faceplant. You'd think the cops had run over a baby w/ a cruiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
My problem with it is why in hell did it take 5 shots at close range.A couple yrs ago a deer got hit by a car and broke a leg.YRP showed up and this deer was laying in the ditch they shot 9 times and never touched it and it got over the fence and they shot 9 more times and didnt hit it as it disapeared into the bush.I get many calls re bears here in georgina and so far no problems. But sooner or later this time of the yr somebody will be walking in the reforestation areas and un intentionaly walk between a sow and her cubs.If she in a good mood your lucky if not kiss your butt goodbye.Bears have shown up in newmarket area for yrs now.
For me, I am glad they shot it. I would hate to see what would happen if it accidentally ran into a few kids. My opinion is they removed a very dangerous animal from a crowded area. Way to go boys, the beers on me.
In my book a bear that is accustomed to human dwellings and city infrastructure like roads and sidewalks need to be dispatched asap, as they have lost their fear of humans which as we all know is a very dangerous thing and cannot be trusted. The poor little guy was probably lovin the garbage and lack of competition for food, and said to him self I'm going stay here for good . ... Wrong decision, but we can only blame ourselves.. (No spring bear hunt)
Saw the news feed tonight where a crowd of onlookers were boo-ing the police as they brought "the body" out of the backyard. Somebody said it earlier in this thread - some people seem to put a higher value on animal life than human life these days. Wonder what the "boo" crowd would have to say if that was somebody's kid they wheeled out of the yard.
Well, in late breaking news, there has been another bear sighting in Barrhaven (just soutwest of Ottawa). This should be interesting. In the past, the National Capital Commission gets involved and starts finger pointing at MNRF and the police. Same thing happens when a moose shows up or more recently a coyote.
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/06/01/...r-in-barrhaven
It's all part of the living experience when your home is built along the Green Belt..people pay extra for that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
Alot of people. Blame cutbacks but if they cut back then the budget should have went down and not gone up I think some is just pure laziness nobody wants to do any work anymore just sit in the office. We should look at other warden services like Maine to see if we can copy how they perform their work
I hope they at least kept the meat what a shame to kill that poor animal
I would have to agree with you woody.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
For the people that do not know Newmarket all that well. From where this bear was shot 3 schools are within or less then 5km away.
For the other people asking why the ERU team needed to be called. They are the ones that use firearms everyday and as you can see from the videos they had almost 5 houses around him to make sure nothing when wrong.
Where are you going to relocate a bear? Next to a small town or village up north so they can deal with it?
I think it has been 2 years now since the MNR said they were not going to help with bears anymore. Guess what, they do not have the funding to send someone out for these kind of things anymore.
topher when was the last time you have seen a live trap sitting at the Aurora MNR office?
Since it looked like the MNR took the bear, I would only assume the meat was donated to a shelter or somewhere in need.
People why are we not using this to help bring back the spring bear hunt? Naw lets just make fun of each other on here and show non hunters what we are really like.
Sad to hear.
FishFood - You just made my day !!!!! Great laugh with morning coffee !!!! Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Police Brutality ??????Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
Another Classic post !
Yep, police mishandled this for sure !
They should have talked that bear down from the tree, taken it into custody, fed it lunch, swing by the local Social Services office and get some funding for a one-way Greyhound bus ticket for somewhere up towards Sudbury.
Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by mcclelt
HaHaHa......excellent post. I didn't know coffee flew that far from my nose !!!!!
The ammo they use may have something to do with this. Some police use only FMJ ammo. Hunting rounds may require less shots to take it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by trapper
All these comments and so much passion. Only one comment about bringing back the spring bear hunt. I thought this thread would be full of them. I suppose there's not much point though. Kind of like preaching to the choir.
FMJ ????? Not in Ontario !Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl Marques
The police don't use NATO rounds? What do they use? Just curiousQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Jacketed hollow points and PSP rifle rounds. The last thing they need is a pass through round hitting an innocent bystander.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
I've read of other reports where the cops have had to take multiple shots to put down a injured dog or deer. I take it a 9 mm is that great of a caliber for deer?Quote:
Originally Posted by trapper
Several years ago a friend dealt w/ had bear that had been wandering around the village. He was old school & figured it was better that way than waiting for the Ministry of No Results to come up w/ a solution.
Not to misdirect this excellent thread,but,those little .223 rounds may be OK for CQB with armed subjects,but,are too light for shooting large animals in cases such as we have here. We used to be issued with Rem 870 12ga with a couple of boxes of buck shot,but,most of us carried a box or two of slugs....just in case we needed to put down an almost roadkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I'm having a huge issue,not with the Police,but,with OMNRF sloughing off this issue onto law enforcement. If anything,Police should have whacked the Bear,from the get-go. They took a huge chance getting into a pissing contest with the OMNRF.
What's scary is comments like this which show people lack the basic and rudimentary understanding of how our government works and manages budgets, allocates resources etc. You add that to the complete ridiculousness you see when citizens criticize law enforcement and you have to shake your head at the collective stupidty of our society.Quote:
Alot of people. Blame cutbacks but if they cut back then the budget should have went down and not gone up I think some is just pure laziness nobody wants to do any work anymore just sit in the office
Did anyone ever consider there is no one to criticize in all this? A frikin bear became a threat to the public. The MNR have had thier department, particularily the wildlife portion, gutted and so they don't respond. Cops do thier job and protect the public with what they have. One bear is shot. He's a big bear and didn't go down as quick as you like. Ya right. How many of you will have no problem flinging an arrow at the same bear if he came into your stand on a bear hunt?
No one did wrong. It's a part of life. Get over yourselves and grow a set.
If Zehaf-Bibeau can take 31 shots I'll give them a pass on 5 for a bear (neither one bothers me)
The police are going to shoot until it absolutely is not moving or going anywhere. They don't have the option to let it run to bleed out.
Done a fair bit of work with York's team in the past, top drawer unit. And it looks like they did everything they could to give the bear a chance.
I'd like to see the spring bear hunt fully implemented to cut back on these incidents. It's got to be mega expensive to have people trained on stand by to deal with tranquilizing and re locating nuisance bears.
The worst problem with this is people who are not hunters get the idea of this is what hunting must be like the ministry/government needs to get their shyt together and either allow police to deal with it right away or get the mnrf to deal with the problem before the cameras and people gather no communication till a problem happens then money is spent on inquiries and still no solution comes out of it till it happens all over again
In the past, here in the Ottawa Region, a number of moose have wandered into urban areas. Of course this is like going to the zoo for many and it is not long before the crowd collects and the media shows up. At this point the moose is fully charged on adrenaline fueled by fear. Then of course the moose begins to move and there is a risk to both people and traffic.
Now, having watched this I can tell you that no amount of tranquillizer is going to work once a moose becomes fully ramped up on adrenaline. Three or four darts later they still run away and need to be shot. I laughed at a recent article from a small town in Georgia where a guy went into his backyard and tried to dispatch an armadillo with a 9 mm. Seems the bullet ricocheted off the critter and hit his mother-in-law sitting in the kitchen next door.
Pretty sure that a 9 mm is not the cartridge of choice for dispatching a bear. Knowing the difference in energy between a 9 mm and a 30-06 I am sure I would have used more than 5 rds on the bear cause I am sure the first few just pi$$ed him off. I am averse to being near a bear that is angry at me regardless of whether I have a high power rifle or not.
Let's face it, no one walked away from this scenario with head held high. Sad to say there is not a complete and comprehensive wild life management system in place in this province that includes how to deal with wild animals in urban areas. To my way of thinking the most cost effective way would be to have local hunters 'deputized' to respond in scenarios like this with both a tranquillizer gun and rifle.
Yup..put them on contract with the township as Animal Control Officers...trained in Urban use of Firearms (appropriate ammunition etc) and let them be the first responders. Have them contact the MNR...and go from there. If the wildlife is an immediate menace, then dispatch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
The only problem is the township or government body does not even pay very well when you get a call to get rid of animals doing stuff now like beavers most of time not worth the effort you put in
Re: cop handgun bullets. I've been on hand now twice to see injured deer being dispatched with the standard .40 cal pistol. The bullets they carry are designed for maximum mushroom on impact. Lots of kinetic energy must come from the wallop (the type of hit that would put a human on the ground fast), but I was absolutely amazed when I skinned out the deer. Point blank neck shots from two feet away into the neck of a yearling buck - no penetration into the meat at all ! The bullets were all sitting just under the hide, but not into the meat. Mushroomed out to 2X their diameter. Not sure if I would attempt a skull shot. If it was a big rutted-out buck, I doubt the round would even make it through the hide. Has nothing to do with poor marksmanship, they just aren't carrying a firearm/ammo that was best suited for the dispatch.
Please don't bring common sense and real world experience into this when some are trying to slag the police ! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenelon
Leather jackets, heavy winter clothing can have a similar effect.
Salary....hadn't even crossed my mind to charge them to dispatch wildlife..just pay my liability insurance and the cost of my gas/bullets (and they're negotiable) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by deerslayer
Do you remember Sugarland Express where they had a few "good ole boys" with their sharp shooting rifles ready to take out Goldie Hawn?? lol You looking for that kind of work ?? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
So should the cops shoot every bear that wanders through Timmins? Sudbury? Cochrane? I mean those towns/cities have schools and children too.
I'm wearing my flame suit so giv'r.
Don't northern communities have a repeat offender, 3 strikes your out type rules for bears ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishy Wishy
They do !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishy Wishy
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Originally Posted by Fishy Wishy
Ummm, No! They don't! Maybe the odd one, but a minority for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Do they use "carding", or "profiling" to question these random bears like they do with minorities in Toronto? How do they know the three strikes violators?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
There we go ! Accusing the police of shooting minorities ! You guys got Polar Bears there ??? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fishy Wishy
in those communites police rarely have to get involved with a nuiscance bear ;), and actually one was shot in north bay last year... just dosent make the national news up here...
with a crowd of people around and a scared bear, the police did what was needed, maybe if people hadnt crowded around to watch the cute cuddle teddy bear in the tree, the police wouldnt have needed to shoot...
im all for relocateing bears... they relocated some here a few years ago... deliscious :)
A.) Kinda my point, that it doesn't make national news.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishy steve
B.) They shot the only one that wandered through town?
They don't harass the polar bears, they use "carding" and (not) "profiling" only on the black bears...I mean dark coloured bears, I mean.....non-white bears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
You guy's are Hilarious.
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Yo mama!
We can all sit back and criticise the actions of the authorities that were involved but thank God no one was hurt, all of us that are familiar with bears that are stressed know what damage they can do. If there had of been an injury or fatality to a child or adult as a result of this bear, then I am sure the outrage would be horrendous as for the cops your dammed if you do dammed if you don't no win situation in this case.
Aw come on, we wouldn't be on the internet if is wasn't full of armchair experts
This bear was shot about 10 minutes from my home. The stupid thing though is that it was also 10 minutes from an MNRF office in Aurora. They also had been told of the bear 2 days before. I have been there msny times buying licences and dropping off jaws. Cocky young CO's walking around inside the building with thier full body armour and sidearm every time I have been there. Why the hell these guys didn't deal with it is pathetic. The police aren't trained or even properly armed to shoot a panicked bear. People are truly clueless when it comes to bears. A small one can kill a child in no time. A spooked and defensive one is unpredictable and dangerous. I have killed my share of bears and have witnessed bears fighting at bait sites. They aren't something to screw around with in a subdivision. The police did what they are paid for. The MNRF dropped the ball. End of story.
Sorry Kunuka, I am on the other side. I was complementing the Cops on a job well done.
At one of my outposts I had 3 jerry cans chewed on and wrecked along with a barbeque demolished. Jerry cans were underneath the cabin and barbeque cleaned last fall.
At my 2nd outpost a bear was pushing on the patio door trying to enter the cabin. Tore the screen and left muddy paw prints and muddy shoulder marks on 2 windows. Neither place had garbage or any other food scents, he was just curious. But the bears needs to be shot!!! Legally of course.
still going after 9 pages time to stop http://www.lakesimcoeoutdoors.com/fo...cons/horse.gif and move on how well the MNR responded to a deer in a pool yesturday.
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Originally Posted by mcclelt
That is awesome make me laugh really good post
Let me know what time he's going to arrive I'll take care of the problem myself here in Sudbury we don't call nobody
Supposedly the bear was going after the cops gun...
http://www.thebeaverton.com/toronto/...icer-s-firearm
Well now that fully explains everything.:silly:
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Originally Posted by topher
I heard they repeatedly yelled at the bear to surrender peacefully which he didn't so they shot him.
+1 Terry I think you are exactly right here, cops really couldn't win in this scenario
Alone in a tree....alone in a bus? I can't tell the difference. Can you tell the difference?
The bear was in York, not Metro.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I believe , under the circumstances , the YRPS did the right thing. Would have been better with the 12 ga. as opposed to a Glock 40 cal.
The MNR wanted to draw attention to the chronic underfunding and they just did! the bear paid the price. My question is, if they aren't responding to dangerous situations what are they doing about reported poaching incidents? I think I know the answer. Dan O,
Mnrf = Ministry of not responding f.....
We always called it the Ministry of No Results.
That came about by the handing off of fisheries and wildlife management problems to senior staff.
I wonder how much money was spent (wasted) on the decision to rename it the MNRF? Aren't the forests part of our natural resources?Quote:
Originally Posted by topher
They aren't doing a damn thing about poaching so poach away. Didn't draw your moose tag? Not successful in the anterless draw? Don't worry shoot away, you won't get caught. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
We drove through a game check on our way back in Cochrane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obi-wanShinobi
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Originally Posted by Obi-wanShinobi
Really,how come I can read summary,s of hundreds of convictions yearly on both the MNR site and in the local newspapers?
Down here in southern ontario, they tend to check alot when the fishing is hot with many guys fishing on the detroit river and they know they can write tickets all day long. They hand out tickets for the stupidest infractions.
Maybe they handed off the bear issues to the police, who have staff and funding to be there 24 - 7 and take immediate care of emergency situations so they can concentrate on poachers with the few staff they have left do to under funding by previous groups of politicians!!
I'll bet that if something like this happens down here again,there won't be another shyte show like we just saw. Everybody looked like morons.
Wife almost hit a bear cub last night a few km's from our house near the turn into Russell. Haven't heard of a bear around hear in the 19 years I have lived here.
Please remember that we do not allow the promotion or encouragement of illegal activities or activities that are in violation of the fish and hunting regulations. Please refer to the forums rules (rule #1 in particular).Quote:
Originally Posted by Obi-wanShinobi
I'm pretty sure he was just being sarcastic......I hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTek
Oh crap... I thought he was serious, have to go quick and find my shovel. ;)
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Didn't think anybody would even read that as being serious but I guess now I know lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Point was the MNR is very underfunded and many have stated they didn't even respond to people calling in poachers.
Someone spotted a bear in Kemptville down by the hospital the other night and my daughter says they have one in the Brockville area too.....seems they have come far south this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
A few guy's have told me they have seen tracks around the Winchester Bog, but I haven't seen any. Isn't there a season in your WMU??
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Originally Posted by MikePal
Yea we have a fall hunt here, but there is very few bears around the Kemptville area, I had one go thru the property about 10 yrs back and destroy all my bird feeders, but I haven't seen any sign or hear of any sightings since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Years ago, before I joined, they use to make sure there was a bear tag in the camp. Occasionally they would shot one.
Keep in mind that if there is just one bear tag in camp, only the person who purchased the bear tag can shoot the bear. Some people get mixed up on this and could get in big trouble. ;)
That's a frequently bent law - but you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
Yes,absolutely,but,you'd be amazed at the number of hunters from camps that get delegated to "go to town" and buy a Bear tag. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
Chatting with the neighbour (2km away) and he saw a young Black Bear in his back yard last week. His dog chased him off, but he's been hanging around the bush on his back 40.
So there is one close by....have to put the 870 by the back door and make sure the flashlight is full charged :)
Get a bait out in late summer, could be delicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The CBC News just said there was a Bear (mother and 2 cubs) sighting in Embrun GW....heading your way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
My wife saw a cub crossing the road about 10 km from here 2 weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by MikePal
Saw another bear in king last night.. was running through a field..
Saw a nice one in the wheat field about 50 yards off the road this morning, on a farm I have permission to hunt on as well :).
Just stay away from my rabbits and my garden.