Hunting with a Tavor

I'm just wondering - does anyone here hunt with a military style "assault" rifle? There are a few NON RESTRICTED options like the TAVOR, Swiss Arms SG550 and the Robinson XCR;

I especially like the TAVOR;

http://www.canadaammo.com/images/P/p...avor21-lgi.jpg


I think it would be a lot of fun using this to hunt Coyotes. It also accepts 10-round .223 LAR pistol mags which are legal, circumventing the 5 round limit. Just in case I run into a whole family of coyotes :D But something tells me I might get a lot of unwanted attention walking around with it in the field.

What do you guys think?

You want my opinion? No offense to you but i think thats the most stupid looking thing ive ever seen in my life. I wouldnt be caught dead shooting one of those. Whats wrong with a regular rifle that probably has way better accuracy and reliablity than this?

that is non rstricted in ontairo!? just to take somethin like that t a range would be a blast.

SH

LOL, If I seen someone in the field with that on their shoulders I would walk the other way. What war are you fighting in the back woods of ontario?

Can you imagine if when you park your car and someone happens to drive by seeing you pull this out what attention you would bring?

And what do you mean by "baby-eating"?

I agree great for the range but has no place in the field hunting for anything unless you want to be branded. I can see the farmer now when that gets pulled from it's case. Other than a .50 cal, don't snipers use a hunting based bolt action rifle for accuracy?

Scott

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Originally Posted by Joker Eh

LOL, If I seen someone in the field with that on their shoulders I would walk the other way. What war are you fighting in the back woods of ontario?

Can you imagine if when you park your car and someone happens to drive by seeing you pull this out what attention you would bring?

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The back woods of Toronto. Never know what war you might be fighting LOL

I agree Hunter, I agree.

Now open the floor to the whole crowd of "I should be able to carry and shoot any gun I see fit" Any takers? I know who is in that boat but won't name names.

I would strongly suggest either the poster or moderator take the "baby - eating" header out, come on man use your head this is a public forum viewed by many, not just hunters.

Scott

That looks retarded, and IMO anyone who sees you in the field is going to think you're a goof..including those ppl that grant permission. If you really want something military looking go for a non-restricted armalite.

Matt

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Originally Posted by skeeter1

I would strongly suggest either the poster or moderator take the "baby - eating" header out, come on man use your head this is a public forum viewed by many, not just hunters.

Scott

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I second that also

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Originally Posted by Hunter300

You want my opinion? No offense to you but i think thats the most stupid looking thing ive ever seen in my life. I wouldnt be caught dead shooting one of those. Whats wrong with a regular rifle that probably has way better accuracy and reliablity than this?

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It might look stupid to you, but according to the Israeli Defense Force it works great for mopping up terrorists. It will replace the M4 over the next few years. It is also very reliable and accurate - it was featured on Discovery Channel's Future Weapons show, and they were shooting out to 300 yards.

If anyone knows of any other LEGAL, NON RESTRICTED, semi-auto rifle that allows you to fire TEN (10) rounds in rapid succession, then let me know. I think it would be great to have that capability if you have a whole family of coyotes coming your way

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I second that also

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count me X 3

And if you want to use a military looking rifle join the military.

In all my experience with wolves and coyotes they have never come my way, as soon as they wind me or see me they are heading the other way.

Scott

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Originally Posted by Joker Eh

And if you want to use a military looking rifle join the military.

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Good point! They need people in Afganistan.

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Originally Posted by skeeter1

I would strongly suggest either the poster or moderator take the "baby - eating" header out, come on man use your head this is a public forum viewed by many, not just hunters.

Scott

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As a courtesy, I have removed it. It was meant to refer to the the stigma these type of firearms have.

I don't believe in political correctness, however my question is serious and would love to hear what you all have to say.

thanks.

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Originally Posted by Spot-n-Stalk

It might look stupid to you, but according to the Israeli Defense Force it works great for mopping up terrorists. It will replace the M4 over the next few years. It is also very reliable and accurate - it was featured on Discovery Channel's Future Weapons show, and they were shooting out to 300 yards.

If anyone knows of any other LEGAL, NON RESTRICTED, semi-auto rifle that allows you to fire TEN (10) rounds in rapid succession, then let me know. I think it would be great to have that capability if you have a whole family of coyotes coming your way

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Israeli Defense Force, M4?? What are you talking about what does this have to do with hunting??

Whole family of coyotes coming your way?? Really has this ever happend to anyone where they wish they had this??

Spot and Stalk I do not believe in political correctness either I like to call things as I see them. I do however believe in common sense when posting on a public "HUNTING" forum and I am sure you can see how that comment could negatively impact this forum so I thank you(and apparently others do to). I also see you are new to the forum so good to have you here and sorry for promptly jumping down your thoat.

Scott

I can't seem to change the actual header - it only changes it in the actual post.

sorry...

I think you are SOL on circumventing the criminal code exemtion for the magazine also because the LAR pistol mags were originally designed for AR 15 style rifles.

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

You would need to meet both criteria and my take is that the original design for the magazine was for AR 15 style weapons. The fact that a "pistol" (which isn't a pistol at all but rather a modified AR 15) can use the magazine is nullified due to the fact the original intended manufacturing reason for the mag was to fit a rifle.

A little repitition in there but oh well.

I realize that a lot of old military arms (Enfields, Springfields) have gained acceptance in our hunting community, but I have to admit that that when it comes to modern military style guns, I would rather not see them in the field. I know where Jim Zumbo was coming from when he made is infamous comments.

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Originally Posted by Cavan Swamp

I think you are SOL on circumventing the criminal code exemtion for the magazine also because the LAR pistol mags were originally designed for AR 15 style rifles.

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The Firearms Support Services Branch of the RCMP has confirmed IT IS LEGAL. Just google "Firearms Support Services Branch" and LAR - you will find the actual ruling.

I think you should be able to use any gun you want when hunting aslong as it is legal. Ar style guns are super light very accurate and can carry a round that will take down big game. Just because it looks scary does not mean itshould not be used. However any gun shot in rapid fire in the woods is plain stupid. 25years of hunting. eight years in military and 35 years of shooting have taught me that. Not all ar style guns are semis some are bolt action such as the howa axiom.

Very nice firearm. I would love to own one but can't justify the $3000.
Perfectly legal to hunt with as it is NON-resricted. But there are better tools for hunting.
It is NOT an "assault rifle". Assault rifles are capable of select fire which are prohibited in Canada.
So, it is perfectly legal but some are worried what others will "think" because of the way it looks. That is where firearms owners have failed each other.
Your bolt action hunting rifle is also called by some, especially in the media, as a "high powered sniper rifle."

awesome gun what's wrong with hunting with a black gun .I would love to use a pistol on bear and deer in canadaimagine that sweet 223 on a prarrie dog colony


hound

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Originally Posted by 9pointer

I realize that a lot of old military arms (Enfields, Springfields) have gained acceptance in our hunting community, but I have to admit that that when it comes to modern military style guns, I would rather not see them in the field. I know where Jim Zumbo was coming from when he made is infamous comments.

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i also understand where jim zumbo was coming from but where does it end. IMO if a gun is legal to own and use in canada you have every right to own and use that gun. If we as hunters and target shooters say "well that gun should be banned or shouldn't be used" we are only contributing to our own demise. we have enough people against us as it is we don't need to fight amongst ourselves. Now that being said would i carry this firearm down the road or use it where the general public could see NO. because to the non hunting and non shooting public. this gun looks scary and looks like the guns used for killing people. when a 30-06 semi deer rifle is just as dangerous in the wrong hands. so as hunters and shooters i think we should all embrace all firearms. and work at informing the uneducated public about how its not the guns that are scary its the people.

I think what some people ar egetting at, is if you pulled that gun out to go hunting and regular people (god forbid a anti hunter) the news would have a field day and be touting all hunters as crazed lunatics.

all you guys that said this is no hunting gun. Why don't you all put your guns in the smelter now and use spears??? TIMES change, why is it that an old .303 is acceptable but a funny looking semi auto .223 inst?

"hunting" Rifles were not "designed" for hunting. They were designed to kill people that's it, the .303 brit enfields were not designed for hunting. They have many other uses and are nothing but a tool. To be used as the operator sees fit.

why did people start using bolt actions instead of muskets????
semis instead of bolts?
semi 12 gauges instead of single shots???
How many cartridges have been developed for war??? Should we stop using all of these too?

150 years from now the tavor might end up being used as a hunting gun and we will fight wars with laser blasters ... who knows.

point click bang! .... don't matter what is looks like.

150 years from now it may be acceptable when we no longer deem it as "scary looking", military firearms are also designed to strike fear in the enemy through their appearance as well. It is also our jobs as responsible firearms owners to police ourselves because some of us, like in every other walk in life will try to push things beyond a resonable border and those individuals (not saying it applies here) I will not support, hunter or not. Like I said earlier it would be fun at the range where we can shoot our little hearts out, but I still maintain no place in the field and it appears others share my viewpoint so I am not about to smelter my guns.

Scott

Well I feel that if a gun is legal in Canada then anyone can use it in a legal manner. Just because it is made to look menacing shouldn't matter. Saying that, I personally wouldn't use it simply because of it's appearance for a couple of reasons. One, I like to hunt away from people in a quiet location. You can almost guarantee a visit from a CO or the police if you were walking thru hunting with that. I stand corrected, a visit from a lot of CO's and Police at the same time! It also puts more fuel for the fire of the anti-hunters. Now I am not the most politically correct person around, but I think that hunters should consider the appearance of our sport in these days. We don't need more people arguing that hunting should be banned with certain weapons or in more areas. I think that the hunting/shooting community should stand together in regards to legal guns are OK to own and use. It is part of the anti-gun thinking to say that guns are designed to kill people. Guns are designed for a number of purposes and any gun can be used in any number of ways. Many miltary rifles make fine hunting weapons and many hunting weapons are incorrectly used in crimes. Everyone can have their personal opinion whether they would use a particular legal gun for hunting but I say don't get upset at someone who chooses to use it. You can let them know your opinion. We should be more concerned about a person's safe gun handling and ethical hunting.

I've made a decision - I WILL take it hunting, but not until it gets a custom paint job to make it more palatable to the general public. I am kind of torn between these two color schemes;

http://informationalwarfare.files.wo...5assault_2.jpg

http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2008...16-nailgun.jpg

My opinion is as many others. If it is legal than fine. But you are going to be getting much much unwanted publicity. Perception is everything. If all hunters were to use one of those ugly looking military styled rifles the preception of hunters (by media/non-hunters/anti-hunters) would shift from "Hill-Billies" to "Blood thirsty Terrorists" and that would quickly fuel their fire for gun control and anti hunting initiatives. That is why I don't think it should be used for hunting. Hell even going to the range, if you tie a rag on your head, you would look just like some of the footage the media plays when talking about the taliban. Is that how our sports should be related? Remember more and more of our voting public are people fleeing war torn parts of this world.

FW.

The second pic above looks ghey.

The first pic above looks awsome. :D

If you shoot within your limits you should be able to use whichever firearm you like. We have had people defending posts describing hunters emptying 2 clips at a moose and then running over their own guns with their truck. Its all good cos they ran over traditional hunting rifles.

Yet you should'nt be seen hunting with a black rifle. Don't make much sense to me - but its divided we fall I spose?

Your baby comment still shows up you could ask a mod to remove it - if you felt so inclined.

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Originally Posted by Spot-n-Stalk

I'm just wondering - does anyone here hunt with a military style "assault" rifle? There are a few NON RESTRICTED options like the TAVOR, Swiss Arms SG550 and the Robinson XCR;

I especially like the TAVOR;

I think it would be a lot of fun using this to hunt Coyotes. It also accepts 10-round .223 LAR pistol mags which are legal, circumventing the 5 round limit. Just in case I run into a whole family of coyotes :D But something tells me I might get a lot of unwanted attention walking around with it in the field.

What do you guys think?

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How do you figure the 10 shot mag is legal? It's an autoloader, right? and it's a centre fire rifle, right. Wouldn't that make use of a 10 shot clip with it illegal? The only exception to the 5 shot mag limit I am aware of is the M1-Garand, or are there others?

Just cause you can doesn't mean you should.

It is also legal to carry my shotgun and rifle unlocked and unloaded in my front seat of my car in plain sight while driving around, lets say Toronto. So just because it is legal doesn't mean you should do it.

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I have been a member of this site (including the old site) for about 1.5 years have any anti hunters ever disrupted it?

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My fellings exactly....his first post and it's this contraversial

38 replies in less than 4 hours on a week day....must be some kind of a record.

I want YOU to take it hunting, so we can desensitize the public to "scary" guns. However, I don't want one myself for the fear of ERT humping me in the bush.

I was looking through some of my old hunting mags from the early 80's (All americain) Some rifles similiar to these were actually advertised as the perfect tool for hunting, especially Heckler Koch.

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Originally Posted by Sprite

Really, why would you use a military style rifle for hunting? It's not practical at all. The point of using a hunting firearm is because it is DESIGNED for hunting. Assault rifles are DESIGNED to kill people. I don't think many people here run the woods with a Sig 550... I'll admit, I love shooting military style rifles. I think the CX-4 is one of the funnest rifles I've ever shot. Buut, only at the range. There's no place for an assault rifle in the woods, even if it is non-restricted. Stick to good ol' faithful.
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I agree with that in pratice but, all of our hunting rifles are designed on a military design -or at least the principle. mausers are the obvious ones ,but even my 94 winnie was LOOSLEY based on the 76' 44-40 used to fight the war in the west. Or the brown bess used by the british. Im sure there's some semi auto actions based on a military Ohh like the ruger 10/22 based upon the M1 carbine. My point is that hunting guns stem from military guns. But that tavar looks stupid IMO would be weird to load weirder to shoot (me thinks) and 300 yards isn't gonna impress a hole heck of alot of people your remmy 700 should do 400-500yards probably past 6 even

sorry if a skimilar post has been posted i skimed through.

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Yet you should'nt be seen hunting with a black rifle. Don't make much sense to me - but its divided we fall I spose?

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EXACTLY!!! And as per a previous comment posted after mine..... you won't have to bring your guns to the smelter... after the antis take all the black guns and handguns away you think they're just gonna stop??? The govt. will melt them down for you sir.

Since when has a war been won using strictly defensive tactics???? The antis are after our guns and all most gun owners are doing is sitting back and thinking that they only want the scary looking ones... naive as hell but watcha want...

the range or showcase hell ya, hunting would not be caught dead with it, I would hate for people to get the wrong impression of hunters, hope nobody takes offence but I personally dont even like seeing SKS's in the field, Im sure they do a fine job but not for my hunting adventures, just wouldn't feel right, I have alot firearms but some are designated for the range only and others for hunting. not trying to pi$$ anyone off but just my $0.02.

Be AWARE that our police monitor our comments on here.
If someone was found in or near our camp, with that gun the locals would give them a ride out of the area on the nearest
fence rail

If it works and it's legal use it. I would and the rest of the world can bite my butt. Really guys, we've got enough problems from the anti's without the shooting community tearing itself apart. To each their own as long as your legal and safe.

The Tavor may look stupid to some but it's design is superb. Carbine length but a full size barrel, well balanced not front heavy, and modern synthetics that can take any weather you throw at it. Just get a 5 round magazine and your good to go. Sure it's not traditional but at some point neither were semi's, pumps, levers, bolts, etc. It's all a matter of timing.

All that being said I'll stick with my '81 BLR.

i agree i wouldnt use one nor would i buy one ,to each his own ,and i own 3 303 brits ,great guns

All the same public opinion of hunters is what could possibly make it easier to obtain hunting permission or to not obtain it and with a gun like that dont get me wrong i think it is a sharp lookin gun but i would never take it hunting. Now i know its legal but perception goes a long way

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150 years from now it may be acceptable when we no longer deem it as "scary looking

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If you havent realized it we are being conditioned to be afraid. So in 150 years if things continue I doubt the fruit of, the fruit of your loins will be throwing paper aeroplanes.

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It is also our jobs as responsible firearms owners to police ourselves

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As a matter of course the firearms community does that quite admirably. If you have a PAL you are proven an honest and responsible individual. How many other members of our society are so obviously card carrying good guys?

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I will not support, hunter or not.

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I hope you would reconsider supporting your fellow man.

Before all this Liberal crap, I use to walk right out my back door to ground hog hunt with an AR15 and two 30 round clips. Those were the days.....

All you nay sayers. What do you say about Ruger's Mini 14 and Mini 30? Are they too militant looking to hunt with IYO?

Skinner

I for one can't keep up with all the changes to the regs:confused:. Last time I looked anything with a "bullpup" style action was a prohib. It may now be legal but I imagine you would waste a lot of your time (and my tax money) in the local cop shop before you convinced everyone. Then you would face the same thing when you changed areas to another detachment....:scream:
I have a few older milsurps myself, but they all look like I intend to hit my target,first shot, not lay down a "field of fire". Did like using the M15 for plinking though....:rolleyes:

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Welcome to the forum Spot-n-Stalk
You sure pick a nice one for your first post
I do agree it wasn't a good choice of words for your intro.
Not sure I want to get into this one as I feel you put this on to stir the pot

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I have been lurking here for a couple of months, just to read up on all the good info on hunting in Ontario as I am new to the country and only just got my permanent residence permit. My mother was right when she said that I best keep my mouth shut, look what happened :D

Anyway, thanks for the welcome :)

The TAVOR is not a bullpup as the stock is part of the receiver. You cannot fire the rifle with the stock removed.

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Be AWARE that our police monitor our comments on here.
If someone was found in or near our camp, with that gun the locals would give them a ride out of the area on the nearest
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Nothing illegal has been promoted in this thread. I am a law abiding, god fearing and gun toting citizen. Also I am sure the locals in your neck of the woods know it is a crime to interfere with a lawful hunt on crown land.

This brings back sweet memories! A while ago, somobody asked me very sincerely why don't I use a fully auto firearm for hunting, cause in his mind it would make so much sense! After a long and very constructive discussion, he realized why one safe, well placed bullet is so important for hunting purposes.

Warren that was an interesting post just taking small parts of my statements and taking them out of context, I believe I said I would not support anyone who pushes things beyond a reasonable border I also believe I said "I'm not saying that applies in this case" or something very close to that. If you are going to quote me at least quote the whole thing and get the context correct.

Scott

The Ruger 10-22 and Mini 14 can be modified significantly to accept all kinds of modifications - you can literally transform them to look extremely militaristic. There are still guys who enjoy shooting these guns, and use the Mini 14 and Mini 30 to hunt deer and yotes. (Ruger makes great guns btw) If it's legal, knock yourself out. Just remember that not all badged officers out there understand guns as well as some hunters do, and will treat a para-military carrying guy in camo a wee bit differently than a fellow with a standard looking pump or bolt action firearm.

Use common sense, obey the laws, and you won't have any issues.

Welcome to the site. Longest first-post thread I've ever seen....

Scott,

I quoted what I thought were important points as I comprehended them from your post. If my intreptation was incorrect then I apologise. My main concern is that there are already enough restrictions placed upon and liberties taken from honest, law abiding, firearm owners. We do not need further restrictions or divisions in our own community. As you explained, I misunderstood your post, but the point is still worthwhile making.

cheers.

Warren I completely agree that we have too many restrictions, the problem I see is this. Laws are set and then left alone for us to obey (the vast vast majority of responsible firearms owners follow these laws, did I mention vast, vast) the problem arises when one of us decides they are going to push the boundary a little bit and in doing so bring the heat back down on all of us. Three things could happen in this situation first the perosn loses and the law remains the same (they get charged or whatever happens), second they win and the law is re-written to include the new material (whatever that may be), or third the person loses and the law is re-written with even more restrictions then in had in the first place and we all lose. So I do think as responsible firearms owners we need to weed these very,very few out. Again I will say it may not apply to this situation, but I like my freedom to hunt and own firearms and I do not want to lose that or have it tightened by someone who on their own decided to push the envelope. No offence was taken by the way we ALL have the right to our own opinions and we can discuss them amongst one another in a polite and respectful manner.

Scott

I think that if its legal and you want to use it, why not?
Alot has do with perception. When I showed up with my browning 300 WSM in synthetic stock and stainless barrel at my Dad's hunting camp for deer hunting, him and his buddy's thought it looked like a toy and wasn't a proper hunting gun.

Personally I agree it is a cool looking gun. But as others said I would be careful with it out in the woods. Maybe this is a toy more for the deep back woods or a place where there is no chance of running into regular people. The reason I say that is perception is everything and get enough people upset and you will see thoes guns banned. The Liberals have already said they will ban them. Lets not give them extra ammo.

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Personally I agree it is a cool looking gun. But as others said I would be careful with it out in the woods. Maybe this is a toy more for the deep back woods or a place where there is no chance of running into regular people. The reason I say that is perception is everything and get enough people upset and you will see thoes guns banned. The Liberals have already said they will ban them. Lets not give them extra ammo.

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Agreed. I can see why the general public would freak out if they were out walking their dog and then confronted with a hunter carrying a scary looking rifle. That said as far as crown land is concerned, I hunt in areas where I am not likely to bump into anyone else, except for other hunters. I always leave my guns encased traveling to and from my hunting area anyway.

I am more interested in the views of the hunting community, and looking at the volume of response here I guess I can say I now know the answer.

This is an interesting debate and a good one :). I can't say that I agree with the posters whose responses are in the vain of, "If its legal I'll use and the rest of the world can kiss off. Stand together or fall!" We've got to keep in mind that laws are only the minimum standard of behavior in a civil society, essentially intended to protect us from anarchy.

In my town there is no law that says I can't paint the outside of my house entirely black with giant white skulls and crossbones all over it. I may not be breaking the law, but am I being a good neighbour or a conscientious member of society? Am I really doing myself or anybody else any favours by excercising my rights in this way?

hmmmmmmmmmm - so i shouldn't paint the outside of my house entirely black with giant white skulls and crossbones all over it. (LOL)

I was going to post some stuff but apparantly I have to go repaint the outside wall of my house. LOL

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hmmmmmmmmmm - so i shouldn't paint the outside of my house entirely black with giant white skulls and crossbones all over it. (LOL)

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i would have to go with you should lol

Here in the states alot of that military style autoloading stuff is legal to hunt with. With that said, it is very rare to see someone actually hunting with military "black rifles". There is always the occassional guy who carries an AR, AK, SKS, or something similar but bolt actions rule supreme and that's what most hunters use. The so called "assault weapons" are alot of fun and even I enjoy them on the range but in the woods they just seem impractical.

Call me old fashion. But I just like my old guns in the woods. They just seem to fit.

I really wish uneducated people would stop using the word "assault rifle" for everything that is painted black or scares them because of the way it looks. I guess I can't blame them though. The media has been feeding you this pablum for years; to be afraid of in an inanimate object.

Here's a great video that explains the differences very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0

While we are getting the definition of "assault rifle" (thanks Tony Mo) can we also get the definition of a "regular person". I always thought hunters were regular people and everyone else was irregular.

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While we are getting the definition of "assault rifle" (thanks Tony Mo) can we also get the definition of a "regular person". I always thought hunters were regular people and everyone else was irregular.

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Cool so I am a "REGULAR PERSON" not sure if my wife would agree.:moose:

I started eating these cookies called "Bowel Buddies."
Now I'm a very REGULAR person.:silly:

I was going to there butt.....I mean but..... LOL

Tony that is an awesome video they should play that in schools.

wtf baby eating i dont see that posted!?!?!?!?!?!?1

I am new to the site and I have found this discussion disheartening. If it is legal whats the problem? Perception you say. With this attitude the Liberal agenda will prevail. I see this as a generational issue more than anything. The younger folks like having a pistol grip and synthetic stocks. We as a firearms community need to be more open.
By the way I could be classed as a fudd myself because I am old and I shoot guns with ordinary wooden stocks. But if we don't include others well guess what. We fudds will go the way of the dinosaurs and the Liberals will have won.

OK so its legal to hunt with....

Hello 911 whats your emergency.....There is a man dressed in camo with a machine gun on my neighbors property.
OK we will send a car over to investigate.... Ok thank you.

30 min goes by..

Cops shows up and you get to explain to them how your baby killer is legal...you can explain it down at the station sir..put your hands on your head please....
Cops have NFC whats legal and whats not, you dont really think there going to let u wander around with that thing do you ?? One thing cops dont mess around with is fire arms. Oh Im sure in the end u will get your gun back after they figure out its legal but your day of hunting is finished. I bet if u got checked by the CO he would hold u there until a cop could come to take over.
This is right up there with hunting with a pistol grip 870 with a pistol grip on the slide as well.... anybody who does that should get a star.

aim for the white patch, G

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OK so its legal to hunt with....

Hello 911 whats your emergency.....There is a man dressed in camo with a machine gun on my neighbors property.
OK we will send a car over to investigate.... Ok thank you.

30 min goes by..

Cops shows up and you get to explain to them how your baby killer is legal...you can explain it down at the station sir..put your hands on your head please....
Cops have NFC whats legal and whats not, you dont really think there going to let u wander around with that thing do you ?? One thing cops dont mess around with is fire arms. Oh Im sure in the end u will get your gun back after they figure out its legal but your day of hunting is finished. I bet if u got checked by the CO he would hold u there until a cop could come to take over.
This is right up there with hunting with a pistol grip 870 with a pistol grip on the slide as well.... anybody who does that should get a star.

aim for the white patch, G

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same damn thing with a scoped rifle sporting a black synthetic stock. It's a sniper rifle ya know. Cops have NFC and some will give you the same treatment in this case too.

That's a good reason why you should carry your registration certificate with you. It will show that it is registered legally and that it is not prohibited or even restricted. I dont' see any problem hunting with an 870 with a pistol grip, my god guys, they sell a lot of turkey camo'd shotguns only with a pistol grip stock. Use whatever firearm you want as long as it is legal, but you may have some explaining to do if you get stopped, and you probably will get stopped. I mean if hunters and sportsman are bashing the use of these legal guns what are the tree-huggers and anti-gun folks going to say. Why are we not sticking together on the use of a legal hunting tool. Although some cops may not know every gun on the market and whether it falls into prohibited, restricted and non-restricted class, if you carry your registration I am pretty sure that they are all capable of reading. A lot will have to do with your attitide towards them as well. Some of you guys probably would love my moose rifle. Browning A-Bolt, matte finish, black synthetic stock, camo sling, with harris bi-pods attached to front swivel with a ballistic drop sheet on one side and windage adjustment on the other. And if that doesnt sit right with you my grouse gun is a 10-22 matte finish, oversized bull barrel (.920), red dot scope, black sling, hogue rubberized stock, complete with trigger job, extended mag release and a 20 round extended magazine. Although I shouldnt have to explain myself the magazine is so I don't fumble with those little mags when getting off the ATV and trying to load with gloves on while the grouse is walking away.

boy this thread really separates the elmer fudds from the shooters! I'm in for black guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:moose:Each to their own....if it is legal then go for it....heck i used to use an FNC1A1 for moose hunting...the civilian version! All my shotguns have the Knoxx Special Ops stocks on them as well and if people don't like it they can kiss my butt!:goodstuff:

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I am new to the site and I have found this discussion disheartening. If it is legal whats the problem? Perception you say. With this attitude the Liberal agenda will prevail. I see this as a generational issue more than anything. The younger folks like having a pistol grip and synthetic stocks. We as a firearms community need to be more open.
By the way I could be classed as a fudd myself because I am old and I shoot guns with ordinary wooden stocks. But if we don't include others well guess what. We fudds will go the way of the dinosaurs and the Liberals will have won.

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All the more reason for you to stick around. There's a reasonable membership here. More importantly, being an Ontario forum, many are based where the laws of this country are made. If only 30% find themselves, all be it indirectly, supporting the anti gun agenda by placing unrequired limits on firearm activitys using peer pressure, Theres a problem. Perhaps you can help em wisen up.

You'll have to keep a good sense of humour, as I'm sure if you're carrying something like that in the bush, in your camo hunting gear and run into other hunters, you'll probably get some comments like "Seen any taliban?"

If you're carrying a military inspired rifle, expect military inspired quips.

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That said as far as crown land is concerned, I hunt in areas where I am not likely to bump into anyone else, except for other hunters.
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I am more interested in the views of the hunting community, and looking at the volume of response here I guess I can say I now know the answer.

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I don't know about getting questions just about military inspired rifles. I often get asked "what are you shooting?" and ask the question of others as well. Funny because with my 10-22 with extended mag and all the other goodies the owner of our moose camp drove by me once as we were searching the edges of a trail for a grouse laughed and made a comment about me not wanting to run dry while hunting.

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That's a good reason why you should carry your registration certificate with you. It will show that it is registered legally and that it is not prohibited or even restricted. I dont' see any problem hunting with an 870 with a pistol grip, my god guys, they sell a lot of turkey camo'd shotguns only with a pistol grip stock. Use whatever firearm you want as long as it is legal, but you may have some explaining to do if you get stopped, and you probably will get stopped. I mean if hunters and sportsman are bashing the use of these legal guns what are the tree-huggers and anti-gun folks going to say. Why are we not sticking together on the use of a legal hunting tool. Although some cops may not know every gun on the market and whether it falls into prohibited, restricted and non-restricted class, if you carry your registration I am pretty sure that they are all capable of reading. A lot will have to do with your attitide towards them as well. Some of you guys probably would love my moose rifle. Browning A-Bolt, matte finish, black synthetic stock, camo sling, with harris bi-pods attached to front swivel with a ballistic drop sheet on one side and windage adjustment on the other. And if that doesnt sit right with you my grouse gun is a 10-22 matte finish, oversized bull barrel (.920), red dot scope, black sling, hogue rubberized stock, complete with trigger job, extended mag release and a 20 round extended magazine. Although I shouldnt have to explain myself the magazine is so I don't fumble with those little mags when getting off the ATV and trying to load with gloves on while the grouse is walking away.

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I was making fun of 870s with a pistol grip on the pump as well as the stock.

When a lot of us old fudds started shooting you had a choice of buying a new Remington, Winchester, Browning etc and paying about $100 for it or buying a milsurp SMLE for $9.95 at Hercules on Yonge St. The goal of most of us was to own a "real" hunting rifle so the milsurps took second place.
A "real" rifle had a one piece stock (unless it was a lever action carbine) and looked smooth and streamlined, with walnut and blue steel. It also had a lot of hand fitting and finishing in the price. Milsurps were meant to be cheap and quick to manufacture in time of war. They had a lot of stampings and eventually plastic. Your object was to wound the enemy so they would have to devote supplies and manpower to rescue him. If you killed him then he could be left where he fell.
The object of a hunting rifle was to drop your quarry with one well placed shot.
While the milsurps are fun to shoot many of us have been raised to feel that they just ain't hunting guns.
We have also been raised with many other perceptions about other things such as newfies, germans, Scots, italians, poles, orientals, Christmas, fords, and blonds. These perceptions are now politically incorrect and in many cases illegal...

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While the milsurps are fun to shoot many of us have been raised to feel that they just ain't hunting guns.
We have also been raised with many other perceptions about other things such as newfies, germans, Scots, italians, poles, orientals, Christmas, fords, and blonds. These perceptions are now politically incorrect and in many cases illegal...

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Man, if it's illegal to hate Ford, put the cuffs on now, because I'm a repeat offender ;)

There are lots of issues being brought up around the original post. As far as I can tell, if it's non-restricted, then who cares? Though for me personally, hunting with a gun designed for hunting just seems to make more sense... unless you're visualising zombies while you're popping the heads off of gophers at 25 yards or something.

That being said, I'd sure like to find a SCAR under the tree one year, just for sh17s and giggles.

At the range I see a wide assortment of rifles. Most are for target (bench) shooting or hunting. I also see some interesting antiques and sprinkling of vintage military, Chinese or Eastern Bloc rifles/carbines. Lastly, I see the occasional modern military style firearm that looks like it was taken straight from the G.I. Joe movie that is currently in theatres. I must admit that the performance and accuracy of these “black” rifles is very impressive; something that is undoubtedly assisted by the military style fatigues and black boots which are inevitably worn by the shooter. It matters not that this tactical mall ninja has no military or law enforcement affiliation whatsoever. After all, he is backed by the finest Special Ops training that X-Box has to offer. ;););)

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After all, he is backed by the finest Special Ops training that X-Box has to offer. ;););)

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LOL, LMAO. Now that is funny.

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At the range I see a wide assortment of rifles. Most are for target (bench) shooting or hunting. I also see some interesting antiques and sprinkling of vintage military, Chinese or Eastern Bloc rifles/carbines. Lastly, I see the occasional modern military style firearm that looks like it was taken straight from the G.I. Joe movie that is currently in theatres. I must admit that the performance and accuracy of these “black” rifles is very impressive; something that is undoubtedly assisted by the military style fatigues and black boots which are inevitably worn by the shooter. It matters not that this tactical mall ninja has no military or law enforcement affiliation whatsoever. After all, he is backed by the finest Special Ops training that X-Box has to offer. ;););)

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Best line I've heard in a while.http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/q...ling_moose.gif

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I must admit that the performance and accuracy of these “black” rifles is very impressive; something that is undoubtedly assisted by the military style fatigues and black boots which are inevitably worn by the shooter. It matters not that this tactical mall ninja has no military or law enforcement affiliation whatsoever. After all, he is backed by the finest Special Ops training that X-Box has to offer. ;););)

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It's Revolution! Man. Gotta be prepared! 12/20/2012 is coming.

The OP's thread title says it. He wants to use it cause it is an "evil, baby-eating black rifle." Nothing about the performance or merits of the firearm. It looks cool to him.

I can't believe this one is still going.

Scott

I've seen AR-15s and such used for Coyote hunting. Not around here mind you. I mean, for practical hunting purposes, that gun in the original post doesn't cut it. I'm sure it'd put some holes in stuff though.

When I think of a coyote rifle, I think of a dead accurate bolt rifle. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

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I can't believe this one is still going.

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The OP's thread title says it. He wants to use it cause it is an "evil, baby-eating black rifle." Nothing about the performance or merits of the firearm. It looks cool to him.

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You should consider reading the whole thread before you post...

First of all, it is a cool looking gun. But mostly I am looking for a tool to do a job. In this case it's Coyotes and Coyotes only.

Regarding practical use, I have seen several TAVOR range reports showing 1 MOA groups at 100 yards with handloads and scope fitted. I would even be happy with 2 MOA for a hunting purpose. The bullpup design makes it short, easy to handle and it balances well for off hand shooting Then there is the TOTALLY LEGAL 10 round capacity. How's that for performance?

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...I mean, for practical hunting purposes, that gun in the original post doesn't cut it...

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I'm just wondering - does anyone here hunt with a military style "assault" rifle? There are a few NON RESTRICTED options like the TAVOR, Swiss Arms SG550 and the Robinson XCR;

I especially like the TAVOR;

http://www.canadaammo.com/images/P/p...avor21-lgi.jpg


I think it would be a lot of fun using this to hunt Coyotes. It also accepts 10-round .223 LAR pistol mags which are legal, circumventing the 5 round limit. Just in case I run into a whole family of coyotes :D But something tells me I might get a lot of unwanted attention walking around with it in the field.

What do you guys think?

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You should consider reading the whole thread before you post...

First of all, it is a cool looking gun. But mostly I am looking for a tool to do a job. In this case it's Coyotes and Coyotes only.

Regarding practical use, I have seen several TAVOR range reports showing 1 MOA groups at 100 yards with handloads and scope fitted. I would even be happy with 2 MOA for a hunting purpose. The bullpup design makes it short, easy to handle and it balances well for off hand shooting Then there is the TOTALLY LEGAL 10 round capacity. How's that for performance?

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First of all, I have followed this thread pretty closely. This isn't my first post on it either.

Second of all your original post, was not about performance but rather looks, and your title said a lot, and "I think it would be fun" and crap about circumventing a 5-round clip. And stupid stuff about running into a family of coyotes. Then you go and answer your own question that ya you will "get a lot of unwanted attention," however from someone who posts that crap it seems to me that it might not be "unwanted" attention. It almost seems to me like you are a youngster looking for attention.

Thirdly there are many reports of many traditional style hunting rifles that boast sub MOA groupings at 100yds, Sako won't let a gun leave the factory if it doesn't meet this criteria.

Lastly, and the last thing I will say on this topic is that anyone with any interest on this topic on this forum I think has levelled their opinion at least once (some more). Now lets just let the thing die.

FW

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Lastly, and the last thing I will say on this topic is that anyone with any interest on this topic on this forum I think has levelled their opinion at least once (some more). Now lets just let the thing die.

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I totally agree with that!!!

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Lastly, and the last thing I will say on this topic is that anyone with any interest on this topic on this forum I think has levelled their opinion at least once (some more). Now lets just let the thing die.

FW

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Same here.

Just thought I'd make the post count an even 100 :moose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbDQUADaIkE

I think it is sweet.
If it is legal then who cares. I would go out into the field and axe coyotes with that all day. I dont care what people think about my gun as long as it is legal. I have a mini 14 and i have used that deer hunting and nobody cared it may not look as "futuristic" as that one.
As for the cops i have had the cops called on me 3 days in a row for hunting a totally legal field with my totally legal shotgun. I had them yell drop your weapon and put your hands in the air and slowly walk towards me. So i did and told them that im not doing anything illegal and the cop took my information down and drove off.
Everyone has different tastes and there is nothing wrong with that.
Just my .2 cents.

People who don’t like guns don’t care what a gun looks like they still hate it. If it is a good tool that is light weight shoots strait and is reliable for ethically harvesting an animal then it looks to me like you got yourself a good hunting gun! Who cares if some people that own guns don’t like the look of it let them hate!

If you want to hunt with that then go and cut up your outdoors card and go join the Canadian Armed Forces. no place for that in the bush.

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If you want to hunt with that then go and cut up your outdoors card and go join the Canadian Armed Forces. no place for that in the bush.

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The Canadian Armed Forces can only dream having gear like that :D

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If you want to hunt with that then go and cut up your outdoors card and go join the Canadian Armed Forces. no place for that in the bush.

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OK I'l bite, but only because I reckon with a viewpoint like that you have to be a troll for the league of gentlemen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2F4ZWTjwTU

:confused: Now that is a pathetic video Warren. :)

I know not sure what came over me. If I'm not on a few ignore lists by now ...... :ninja:

I hate to be a spoilsport,but I'm darn sure that thing is a prohibited weapon,right up there with M-16 & AK47.Always check and re-check.It sure ain't worth going to jail over.Firearms charges are always a real bad scene.They can come back to bite your butt,forever.

^What thing?
The Tavor is NON-restricted. It's about $3000 but NON-restricted.

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I hate to be a spoilsport,but I'm darn sure that thing is a prohibited weapon,right up there with M-16 & AK47.Always check and re-check.It sure ain't worth going to jail over.Firearms charges are always a real bad scene.They can come back to bite your butt,forever.

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Now this comment is a perfect example of what is wrong with the majority of the crowd on this forum.

A heap of opinion marbled with very little fact, steeped overnight in a bucket of ignorance with a drizzle of bs
Clowns... :joker:

No one is required to be a member on this forum. If I was that unhappy here, I would be making a change. jmo

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No one is required to be a member on this forum. If I was that unhappy here, I would be making a change. jmo

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Off the top rope with a "peoples elbow"! :silly: Haha (how did I know that was coming? :D )

Cheers!

i think it is a nice looking piece. would i hunt with it, no. but i also wouldn't condemn someone else for using it as some here have done. seems there are a few here that could easily slip into the anti gun establishment.

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i think it is a nice looking piece. would i hunt with it, no. but i also wouldn't condemn someone else for using it as some here have done. seems there are a few here that could easily slip into the anti gun establishment.

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That was the point I was trying to get across. But I don't think the video I linked in expressed the point half as eloquently as yourself. :)

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i think it is a nice looking piece. would i hunt with it, no. but i also wouldn't condemn someone else for using it as some here have done. seems there are a few here that could easily slip into the anti gun establishment.

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That's a load of unmitigated bull. I don't see that thing as being a hunt-friendly gun, but not being a no-holds-barred libertarian who believes that any gun is great in every situation is a far cry from being an anti. That kind of black-and-white argument is just too facile to take seriously.

I mean, fer gossakes, these are *opinions*...

Spot and Stalk, your comment perfectly mirrors your comment (guess your in the majority too)

Scott

I made it! I made it! I can't believe I read every post! I would have bet that gun at the beginning was a prohib. I guess I would have been wrong but whatever. In the end what I read into this is that the original poster is into this gun more for the image of it than the performance factor. There has been contradictory posts after the fact attempting to cover this fact. What concerns me about this individual is this lust to circumvent the 5 shot capacity rule and adding in later posts about shooting "off hand"? what kind of para militarized coyotes are you hunting? What makes anyone think that if thay can't hit thier mark with the first 5!!!! shots that the subsiquent 5 are going to make any difference? If anyone is going to idolize our military heroes then the sniper is a much better role model. I know I personally have never had to lay down suppresive fire on any of the predator hunts I have been on. Traditionally they last less than an hour per stand and end with 1 well placed shot. Ever seen what's left of a deer after some bozo who can't shoot straight and only by some dumb luck sprays his fifth shot into his third leg of the animal rendering it immobile, after nailing it through the guts and rear end with a grazing to the neck? I have, and it took 2 mags as the moron so proudly announced! But I digress. If you have a firearm that is legal and is accurate, that is all you need. What you don't "need" is an additional 5 shots for hunting. If you think you do, what you "need" to do is get out of the woods and get a new hobby. Game animals accross this nation will suffer less for it.

813

P.S. To all you guys preaching the 1 shot, 1 kill ideology, you all rule and I wish more than anything there were more of you out there. I can't stand the spray and pray mentality, there is no justification or excuse for it.

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I've made a decision - I WILL take it hunting, but not until it gets a custom paint job to make it more palatable to the general public. I am kind of torn between these two color schemes;

http://informationalwarfare.files.wo...5assault_2.jpg

http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2008...16-nailgun.jpg

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I've thought it over. I still prefer picture one.

How many here realize that it's guys who own guns like these tho are putting up the bulk of the fight so we can ALL keep our guns? When's the last time anyone has tried to get a group from this site to send letters to their MPs etc. trying to defend our rights? Once the govt. deems all black guns prohibs on the grounds that they can't be used to hunt and are nothing but killing machines (opinion that seems present here) these guys WILL stop fighting. Then we will lose our guns too. Maybe not all... but many types (only god knows what the standards will be then) will be confiscated without compensation.

How is killing a coyote with a .223 different from killing one with a 5.56x45???

You already can't hunt with "black guns" thanks to a stupid moron that went into a technical school some years back. Since that infamous day we have all been fighting an uphill battle. There is no common sense to our gun laws as they stand, we all know this. The AR can't be used to hunt because it is more dangerous than the mini 14? based on what? color? Mt friend has a non-restricted M1 carbine and a restricted one as well. the only difference between the 2, a half inch in the barrel length. duh?!?! Same friend has a non-restricted semi-auto only belt fed BAR. Barrel length well above min. No mag restriction because it has no mag, but you can string up those belts and shoot till you get a blister on your finger. The RCMP did all their tests with it and gave him his certificate saying it was all good as a non-restricted. My issue is not with what's out there, have fun now untill such time as it comes to a sad and abrupt end, my issue is with yahoos going out and mowing down the forest like in the original Predator movie. I think the 5 rounds available in most of the modern sporting arms is more than sufficient for any game animal, anything more is just ridiculous. btw, my friend only uses that BAR at the range on rare occasions just for fun. It is one of only a few in the entirety of Canada.

813

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In the end what I read into this is that the original poster is into this gun more for the image of it than the performance factor. There has been contradictory posts after the fact attempting to cover this fact.

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You're mixing up your personal opinion with, ummm fact. There is nothing factual about what you just wrote. Read the thread again from the beginning *yawn* and give us an example of the supposed contradiction.

Again, in short, what is appealing about the Tavor is that it's a bullpup: short, lightweight, fast handling, fast pointing and it still has a long enough barrel to achieve maximum powder burn / performance. I don't need an audience whilst hunting, so screw the cool factor, if any. Did I mention that with handloads, I am getting 1-1.5 MOA of the bench. Topped with a 6X fixed power (Leupold FX) it is a great 250 yard tool. Again, READ THE THREAD. Your ignorance offends me.

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I don't shoot at running game, except coyotes. I always seem to come across groups of 3 or 4. I aim for the center mass with rapid follow up shots. That's why it would be great to have 10 in the mag. If that offends you, then, well, I won't lose any sleep over that, buddyboy.

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Ever seen what's left of a deer after some bozo who can't shoot straight and only by some dumb luck sprays his fifth shot into his third leg of the animal rendering it immobile, after nailing it through the guts and rear end with a grazing to the neck?

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:confused: Why are you bringing deer into the equation? Totally irrelevant to this discussion.

3 or 4 at a time. Great you'll still have one left. But I get it, Ratatatatatatatatatatat, Is how some feel is the only way to get it done. Coyote, deer, groundhog whatever, I related that as an example of the macho mentality of people getting thier bloodlust fix out of annihilating some poor creature to death with a hail of lead, something you just made mention to with your "quick follow up" shot or shots. Ever seen how far apart 2 shots are on a double tap "buddy boy" If you need 10 shots to take 3 or 4 coyotes you can't be taking to much time on those follow up shots. "Yotes" don't exactly hang around waiting to get pegged after they see one of thier pals going down, and they are as fast as friggin anything when they kick in the after burners. So i say again Ratatatatatatatat, you might get lucky but chances are you just flung alot of lead around for nothing. If I was more computer saavy I would go back and cut and paste the contradictions I saw, In that respect you are definitely better witha computer than I am. I have nothing personal with you particularily, I just can't stand this mentality of requiring a hole stream of back up shots, MAKE THE FIRST ONE COUNT!!!

813

That looks like something I would purchase when I am playing Counter Strike or Call of Duty on the PC. IMO that is a weapon for the military and not the sport of hunting....but that is (and I stress) just my opinion. But if it is legal to use than there is no problem with using it....I just question why something so powerful and "military-style" needs to be used in place of a your traditional firearm? :party:

It's not all that powerful, it's parent case is the .223 ... it's military style well... can't argue that one lol.

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It's not all that powerful, it's parent case is the .223 ... it's military style well... can't argue that one lol.

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Thanks for the correction....note I am not a firearm expert by any means :party:

No one has even really hit on the safety aspect of "spraying" ten high power rifle rounds at a running coyote what with ricochets, misses and pass throughs who knows where all those projectiles are going and guess what, you are responsible for each of them unitl they come to rest (hopefully not in a animate target other than the coyote). If you try to tell me that with that kind of barrage in the bush at running game (coyotes) that you know where all your rounds end up, sorry but I think you are mistaken .223 has to carry for a couple miles at least

Scott

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...Coyote, deer, groundhog whatever, I related that as an example of the macho mentality of people getting thier bloodlust fix out of annihilating some poor creature to death with a hail of lead...

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And you post this on a hunting forum? OMG. I'm sorry but I do not share your "Disney" view of nature.

Hail of led? Bloodlust?

There is no difference between shooting a coyote twice with a .223 or blasting them with a $9,999 gold embossed, game scene engraved fancy grain Turkish walnut-stocked shotgun. One or the other doesn't make one better or lesser, or more humane for that matter.

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No one has even really hit on the safety aspect of "spraying" ten high power rifle rounds at a running coyote what with ricochets, misses and pass throughs who knows where all those projectiles are going and guess what, you are responsible for each of them unitl they come to rest (hopefully not in a animate target other than the coyote). If you try to tell me that with that kind of barrage in the bush at running game (coyotes) that you know where all your rounds end up, sorry but I think you are mistaken .223 has to carry for a couple miles at least

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5.56x45 is NOT high powered!!! Hell buy that logic a .22 is a high powered rifle. It obviously carries a couple miles at least as you say ... but so does a .22LR.


The ricochet factor is a very real possibility and a good argument. But...

Spraying bullets around is obviously one of the stupidest things a person can do while hunting. But does me hunting with a Tavor mean I'm gonna go Rambo on everything that moves? No it doesn't. There is no difference between 10 semi well placed shots out of a Tavor and 10 scattered rounds out of a .303. The spray and pray comes from the owner, not the gun.


Following not directed at your post:

How in the hell did this thread turn from hunting with a Tavor to the guy with the Tavor just wants to spray bullets around and hope to kill some poor defenseless creature (because he's using an unconventional firearm evidently) and doesn't care about having a ricochet hit some poor child ???

Hunting with a 4000$ gun is only for prissy people that want to feel good about themselves and like to show others they have money, they are not real hunters but just rich pricks. <---- That statement makes just as much sense as some of the posts in this thread. Get a grip people, I honestly can't tell the difference between some of what I see here and what comes out of the antis manure spreaders.

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Well, I read the whole thing from start. Every word. Last time I seen a thread like this I believe it included a Soviet SKS and it ended up with somebody calling me a Fudd!

I still dont see the attraction of something like that Tavor,or SKS, but I guess maybe Im too old, or old fashioned.I had my fill of military rifles while serving in the military, didnt really like them then, dont like em now.I have no interest in hunting with one.

But, nice o/u shotgun with good balance and a nice walnut stock, maybe a bit of hand engraving, now that, gets me interested!

Gordy

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All in all the SKS is one of the best rifles of all time. You can drop them in sand, water, freeze them and they still fire. 7.62 is a big round so it could be a little over kill but other than that it sounds like a great bush gun with nice iron sights, much the same as an old lee enfield 303. Plus ammo is very common for these guns. Just my 2 cents. Keep in mind with the tavor, there is a good reason the most NATO forces shy away from them.

My comments are in direct response to comments made by the original author. But I have heard the same stuff from countless others about the necessity of having the quick follow up shot. Maybe it was the way I was raised in the woods but I don't understand why you need to have a quick second shot if your first shot made its mark. I don't want anyone to think I don't like repeaters or that nobody should have 5 shots in thier guns when they are hunting because that is not the case. But the comments about quick second shots and ten rounds have caught my attention. I'm sure my ethics don't sit well with some on this site, but I'm not going to be made to feel guilty about being a good shooter who can get it done with a single round.
Nobody can deny the TAVOR is on odd looking gun compared to the status quo, and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us would fall over laughing if we saw somone with it in the field. So Mr. Spot & Stalk, have at 'er. Go be all you can be with your special tool, I'll take my buddy boyn' troll back to my Disneyland rainbow gumdrop world where hunters shoot straight and give thier quarry the respect they deserve.
BTW the Winchester CXP 1 55gr .223 rounds I put through my Remington 700P were shooting .75 to .50 MOA. that is cheap factory ammo that was shooting better than your handloads, just saying, if you want to save the time and money. My handload for the same gun was .25 MOA. 1 shot baby, no follow ups required.

813,

PS watch out for any IED's mr. wiley my have left around. Just kidding, this has been great fun,imagine how boring this world would be if we all had the same opinion.

you can field anything that is legal BUT there is a reason for a magazine limit. A modern rifle that shoots well should be welcomed --looks are not everything but becareful of the impression you leave with others. I have had to duck more than once because someone with a large capacity magazine starts blazing away at a running deer. One of these days I may shoot back. Fewer rounds means more careful shot placement.

Wow... This thread is full of fail. Now I know where to come to if I am ever looking for a group of crusty old Fudds who are also ignorant of the laws. Just remember one thing, the antis want ALL the guns, not just the AR's, Tavor's, and other 'black guns' and pistols. They also want your wood stock blue steel deer rifles and duck guns. Your bolt action 30-06 with a scope is nothing more than a long distance sniper rifle to them.

Another very good point to remember.

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How many here realize that it's guys who own guns like these tho are putting up the bulk of the fight so we can ALL keep our guns? When's the last time anyone has tried to get a group from this site to send letters to their MPs etc. trying to defend our rights? Once the govt. deems all black guns prohibs on the grounds that they can't be used to hunt and are nothing but killing machines (opinion that seems present here) these guys WILL stop fighting. Then we will lose our guns too. Maybe not all... but many types (only god knows what the standards will be then) will be confiscated without compensation.

How is killing a coyote with a .223 different from killing one with a 5.56x45???

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How many of you here that are throwing the 'AR crowd' under the bus have done anything in the fight to improve our firearms laws? My guess would be absolutely ZERO!

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Wow... This thread is full of fail. Now I know where to come to if I am ever looking for a group of crusty old Fudds who are also ignorant of the laws. Just remember one thing, the antis want ALL the guns, not just the AR's, Tavor's, and other 'black guns' and pistols. They also want your wood stock blue steel deer rifles and duck guns. Your bolt action 30-06 with a scope is nothing more than a long distance sniper rifle to them.

Another very good point to remember.

How many of you here that are throwing the 'AR crowd' under the bus have done anything in the fight to improve our firearms laws? My guess would be absolutely ZERO!

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Well said. I agree completely...
However... This thread is 5 years old....

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Wow... This thread is full of fail. Now I know where to come to if I am ever looking for a group of crusty old Fudds who are also ignorant of the laws. Just remember one thing, the antis want ALL the guns, not just the AR's, Tavor's, and other 'black guns' and pistols. They also want your wood stock blue steel deer rifles and duck guns. Your bolt action 30-06 with a scope is nothing more than a long distance sniper rifle to them.

Another very good point to remember.

How many of you here that are throwing the 'AR crowd' under the bus have done anything in the fight to improve our firearms laws? My guess would be absolutely ZERO!

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Since then,we've been successful in killing the long gun registry and are in the process of dismantling and re-writing the Firearms Act so it actually makes sense,notwithstanding,that the political party that came up with all this garbage,in the first place,got kicked to curb and we'll do our best to keep them there. This thread is 5 years old,but,that's OK. It's a common mistake by FNG's.

Five year bump. lol

First post by the OP, never posted on any other topic, and has never been back. A dead topic, best leave it that way.

I remember this thread and contributed a few posts to it.

Actually I think it's good to bring it back. The "fudds" need to be reminded that they have just as much to lose as the sport shooters when it comes to firearms laws. After the scary "black" guns are banned, then the handguns do you really think your "military sniper rifle" (.308 bolt with a scope) won't be next?
There is no room for a "holier than thou" attitude. Be very careful when you decide what someone else "needs".

Do these sound familiar?
There is no need for anyone to hunt anymore when there is a grocery store.
You don't need a 300HP car or a pickup truck because it burns too much gas, causes global warming which kills the polar bears and makes baby Jesus cry....
etc etc

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I remember this thread and contributed a few posts to it.

Actually I think it's good to bring it back. The "fudds" need to be reminded that they have just as much to lose as the sport shooters when it comes to firearms laws. After the scary "black" guns are banned, then the handguns do you really think your "military sniper rifle" (.308 bolt with a scope) won't be next?
There is no room for a "holier than thou" attitude. Be very careful when you decide what someone else "needs".

Do these sound familiar?
There is no need for anyone to hunt anymore when there is a grocery store.
You don't need a 300HP car or a pickup truck because it burns too much gas, causes global warming which kills the polar bears and makes baby Jesus cry....
etc etc

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"Fudds" don't need to be reminded of anything from the peanut gallery that seem to have forgotten that they've been dealing with this shyte longer than most of the youngsters have been hunting. Just sayin'.............

And the necro-post award goes to joe549.....5 years on, just wow.

Let's not ignore the fact that the legal Tavor, despite accepting LAR magazines, still would be limited to 5 rounds under the FWA.

@ Tony Mo, valid argument, but the OP was if the Tavor would be a good choice as a hunting rifle, which despite it's being totally legal, and stellar qualities as an assault rifle, it is not ideal as a hunting arm, and in the big picture, we must always be aware of optics with the non-firearm crowd. A point that many of the newer posters fail to grasp.

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And the necro-post award goes to joe549.....5 years on, just wow.

Let's not ignore the fact that the legal Tavor, despite accepting LAR magazines, still would be limited to 5 rounds under the FWA.

@ Tony Mo, valid argument, but the OP was if the Tavor would be a good choice as a hunting rifle, which despite it's being totally legal, and stellar qualities as an assault rifle, it is not ideal as a hunting arm, and in the big picture, we must always be aware of optics with the non-firearm crowd. A point that many of the newer posters fail to grasp.

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Where does the fwa say "5 rounds"

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Where does the fwa say "5 rounds"

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Hmm. Under review, it only limits for migratory and shotgun. Crim code says 5 rounds for semi.

So the OP can go drop his 3k on a tacti-cool plastic and metal toy for yotes, and drop a LAR mag in....

....yeah.....that's just what the pros do....

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Hmm. Under review, it only limits for migratory and shotgun. Crim code says 5 rounds for semi.

So the OP can go drop his 3k on a tacti-cool plastic and metal toy for yotes, and drop a LAR mag in....

....yeah.....that's just what the pros do....

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Actually the fire arma states a magazine must be pinned for 5 rounds for the ammunition listed.. Eg. .50 Beowulf pinned at five holds about 16 .223/5.56 and is still legal.. But only for non restricted...

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Actually the fire arma states a magazine must be pinned for 5 rounds for the ammunition listed.. Eg. .50 Beowulf pinned at five holds about 16 .223/5.56 and is still legal.. But only for non restricted...

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It doesn't matter if it is restricted or non-restricted.


http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...323-72-eng.htm

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4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

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Just to stay on topic.


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Actually the fire arma states a magazine must be pinned for 5 rounds for the ammunition listed.. Eg. .50 Beowulf pinned at five holds about 16 .223/5.56 and is still legal.. But only for non restricted...

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Yes. Been on CGN enough to know the end runs around the act.

still doesn't alter the fact that taking to the field to "hunt" yotes with a semi auto Tavor with an 18.6" bbl, is just this side of absurd. 10 rounds or 5.

Like many newbs on CGN, there's a lot of people out there looking to buy a toy, and find a justification for owning one short of to and from the range. You'll find tons of them on the EE forums on CGN, and they're constantly advertising their "lightly used" tactical rifles on my gun clubs boards...Robinson Arms XCR, KEL TEC SU-16s, you name it.

Wow, I just try to be sure to place my first shot properly, not the four or nine after that, guess I have been going about this whole thing the wrong way:)

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Wow, I just try to be sure to place my first shot properly, not the four or nine after that, guess I have been going about this whole thing the wrong way:)

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It so much more fun and alot less rangetime just to pull the old "spray and pray"[emoji6]

I agree we should be able to own whatever we want within reason (following safe handling and ownership practices), but anyone that tells me they need 10 rounds in a hunting rifle "in case" a pack of coyotes come in won't be hunting with me. If you want to look like Rambo have at'r, but stay on the range.

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I agree we should be able to own whatever we want within reason (following safe handling and ownership practices), but anyone that tells me they need 10 rounds in a hunting rifle "in case" a pack of coyotes come in won't be hunting with me. If you want to look like Rambo have at'r, but stay on the range.

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That about sums it up,perfectly. Can you imagine lugging a rifle around all day with a full box or two of ammo in the mag? I get tired just thinking about it.LOL

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Yes. Been on CGN enough to know the end runs around the act.

still doesn't alter the fact that taking to the field to "hunt" yotes with a semi auto Tavor with an 18.6" bbl, is just this side of absurd. 10 rounds or 5.

Like many newbs on CGN, there's a lot of people out there looking to buy a toy, and find a justification for owning one short of to and from the range. You'll find tons of them on the EE forums on CGN, and they're constantly advertising their "lightly used" tactical rifles on my gun clubs boards...Robinson Arms XCR, KEL TEC SU-16s, you name it.

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Why can you not hit anything with an 18.6in barrel?

You may lose some velocity but that will do nothing to accuracy.

Who cares what they use, that is like saying if your hunting rifle does not have a wood stock you cannot use it for hunting or you cannot bring a shotgun with slugs / 30-30 or anything else for gun deer season.

It is legal, if you have the $3000 to buy the rifle then go use it to hunt, better then having a restricted safe queen.

What makes a Tavor "absurd" or impractical for hunting if it shoots 1MOA with a 5.56mm round?

I have one of those cartridge holder sleeves that fits over the stock of my rifle. It holds 9 rounds and I fill it up when I go hunting. Am I not supposed to be doing that since I only use one round?

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Why can you not hit anything with an 18.6in barrel?

You may lose some velocity but that will do nothing to accuracy.

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While short barrels may point the bullets in a more consistent direction, the lower velocity sometimes subjects the bullets to a longer time exposed to crosswinds, which are not always constant, leading to sometimes larger groups. Most experienced shooters have to look at the BC of the bullets, bullet shape, winds, etc. also.

Heck, want to drop $3000 on a semi auto to go shoot yotes with? Have at 'er. But arguing that it would be a more optimal gun, than say the same chambering in a bolt gun? Not going to agree with you.

If it were the better system out there for going afield for varmints, I'm pretty sure you'd see more of them on shows like Predator Quest. There are a few tarted up AR variants on there, and having shot a few, I'll admit they're nice. Similarly there are nice ones chambered in .308 / 7.62x51NATO that would do the job on moose / deer, as a previous poster has indicated.

Having a newb post on here about buying one for poking yotes, and slapping a 10 round LAR mag in to do so doesn't smell quite right, but as you've pointed out....it's legal.

IMHO, 3K to spend on one gun with that intent seems a bit wasteful, since a highly accurized 700, or other similar bolt gun could be had for 1/2 that, and still leave some money to play with some other toys.

Then again, having shot a ton of C6s, C7s, C8s, C9s, and lots of other tactical toys in my previous life, I guess the excitement of playing with their semi-auto cousins has worn off.

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What makes a Tavor "absurd" or impractical for hunting if it shoots 1MOA with a 5.56mm round?

I have one of those cartridge holder sleeves that fits over the stock of my rifle. It holds 9 rounds and I fill it up when I go hunting. Am I not supposed to be doing that since I only use one round?

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What makes a Tavor "absurd" or impractical for hunting if it shoots 1MOA with a 5.56mm round?

I have one of those cartridge holder sleeves that fits over the stock of my rifle. It holds 9 rounds and I fill it up when I go hunting. Am I not supposed to be doing that since I only use one round?

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Do the rounds make it in to the gun automatically by themself? Or do you have to load them. Point was when hunting larger game animals if you miss on your first shot when the animal is more than likely unaware you are there and probably standing still the other nine shots won't do very much except for wound.

Nice moose.. The Op's opening post was rather immature in nature but I see nothing wrong with using such a rifle. Not exactly my cup of tea but really no different than a browning BAR other than being not as pretty.

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Do the rounds make it in to the gun automatically by themself? Or do you have to load them. Point was when hunting larger game animals if you miss on your first shot when the animal is more than likely unaware you are there and probably standing still the other nine shots won't do very much except for wound.

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I agree with that and the same applies with my 3 round mag.
What I was getting at, was what is the difference between having 10 rounds in a mag or in my case, 3 rounds in the mag and 6 rounds in the sleeve. I see it as more convenient having all the rounds together in one container.

If the OP is an educated and ethical hunter, why would people have issues with him wanting a 5.56mm, 1MOA, 10 round mag rifle for hunting coyotes.

Seems to me like some would like that rifle banned from hunting just because it looks different. Sound familiar?

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While short barrels may point the bullets in a more consistent direction, the lower velocity sometimes subjects the bullets to a longer time exposed to crosswinds, which are not always constant, leading to sometimes larger groups. Most experienced shooters have to look at the BC of the bullets, bullet shape, winds, etc. also.

Heck, want to drop $3000 on a semi auto to go shoot yotes with? Have at 'er. But arguing that it would be a more optimal gun, than say the same chambering in a bolt gun? Not going to agree with you.

If it were the better system out there for going afield for varmints, I'm pretty sure you'd see more of them on shows like Predator Quest. There are a few tarted up AR variants on there, and having shot a few, I'll admit they're nice. Similarly there are nice ones chambered in .308 / 7.62x51NATO that would do the job on moose / deer, as a previous poster has indicated.

Having a newb post on here about buying one for poking yotes, and slapping a 10 round LAR mag in to do so doesn't smell quite right, but as you've pointed out....it's legal.

IMHO, 3K to spend on one gun with that intent seems a bit wasteful, since a highly accurized 700, or other similar bolt gun could be had for 1/2 that, and still leave some money to play with some other toys.

Then again, having shot a ton of C6s, C7s, C8s, C9s, and lots of other tactical toys in my previous life, I guess the excitement of playing with their semi-auto cousins has worn off.

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I am behind you on the fact that it is odd, I give you that one, but not illegal so have at'er.

The velocity thing, I believe the 223 uses a fast enough powder that the velocity drop with 4in less barrel is minimal, not like back in the black powder says.

For accuracy, I hated short barrels though, just too light and easy to move when squeezing off a round, although I have seen some guys shoot light guns as well as heavy guns.

I like heavy guns, it may weigh a pile but my 9lb military rifle with a scope on it is stable, and gives me a workout as I hike through the bush.

I find the biggest problem with a semi is how fast the rounds get shot and how fast the wallet empties. A single shot will save you money in the long run :)

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The velocity thing, I believe the 223 uses a fast enough powder that the velocity drop with 4in less barrel is minimal, not like back in the black powder says.

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25 FPS less for every inch of barrel less, or thereabouts. 4" about 100 FPS less, not earth shattering.

I don't feel any differently today than 5 years ago when I made my original comments
I still think 5 rounds is more than enough, no matter what the rifle, and even though there are loopholes that can get around that basic standard, from a hunting standpoint, I think it should be like the rules for waterfowling. No more than 3 rounds complete allowed for the purpose of hunting (shotgun)
In this case, stick with the status quo where the rifle holds 5 for the purpose of hunting.
I would love to see unblocked magazines for range use, but for the purposes of hunting, I think a 5 shot limit is reasonable for a rifle. There is a difference between harvesting and hitting

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I don't feel any differently today than 5 years ago when I made my original comments
I still think 5 rounds is more than enough, no matter what the rifle, and even though there are loopholes that can get around that basic standard, from a hunting standpoint, I think it should be like the rules for waterfowling. No more than 3 rounds complete allowed for the purpose of hunting (shotgun)
In this case, stick with the status quo where the rifle holds 5 for the purpose of hunting.
I would love to see unblocked magazines for range use, but for the purposes of hunting, I think a 5 shot limit is reasonable for a rifle. There is a difference between harvesting and hitting

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As trimmer put it. If you miss with the 1st, it's not like a quick 2nd, 3rd, or 4th is going to make much difference.

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While short barrels may point the bullets in a more consistent direction, the lower velocity sometimes subjects the bullets to a longer time exposed to crosswinds, which are not always constant, leading to sometimes larger groups. Most experienced shooters have to look at the BC of the bullets, bullet shape, winds, etc. also.

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The differences in performance you mention are sometimes highly over blown.

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As trimmer put it. If you miss with the 1st, it's not like a quick 2nd, 3rd, or 4th is going to make much difference.

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It does when you are shooting at a coyote at a dead run across a field at 200 yds or so !

I personally love hunting with a black rifle. I've taken 7 deer, a bear and a coyote with my Robinson Arms XCR in the past 3 years. Although I don't like the feel of a Tavor, I know the owner of one major Ontario gun shop hunts with a Tavor and loves it for shooting coyotes in front of hounds. Here's a few pics from hunting with my XCR......

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I personally love hunting with a black rifle. I've taken 7 deer, a bear and a coyote with my Robinson Arms XCR in the past 3 years. Although I don't like the feel of a Tavor, I know the owner of one major Ontario gun shop hunts with a Tavor and loves it for shooting coyotes in front of hounds. Here's a few pics from hunting with my XCR......

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The family stickers in the rear window made me laugh!

On a more serious note a 180 gr 30 caliber bullet travelling at 2500 fps does not care what platform it was fired from. It is just as capable of making a clean shot regardless of how many more rounds are sitting below it, or weather it was manually pushed into the chamber with a bolt action, or fed in automatically with a spring behind a carrier. Just like everything else over time things change. I have never fired a black powder rifle, and I don't have any interest in it, but I fully 100% support those that choose to hunt with one. If we don't come together as a united group as gun owners and hunters then slowly we will all lose. I would very much like it if future generations could carry on hunting regardless of what type of rifle they use.

Well... it wasn't that long ago it was legal to hunt using an AR15.
I wonder how many of the "OMG you shouldn't hunt with a "black rifle" " crowd would poop their pants if handgun hunting was ever made legal?

They'd probably insist that only revolvers should be taken afield.

Couple nice bucks there 870.

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Well... it wasn't that long ago it was legal to hunt using an AR15.
I wonder how many of the "OMG you shouldn't hunt with a "black rifle" " crowd would poop their pants if handgun hunting was ever made legal?

They'd probably insist that only revolvers should be taken afield.

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Both were legal in the past. I've eve seen pics of some good moose taken with an AK47.

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Thanks. Not my best, but good eating. My personal best is a 15 point taken with a muzzleloader. Then again, the ML is black so someone is likely offended by it. :p

I don't care about the platform one hunts with, my argument has always been the actual "hunting" with anything that is super high capacity (within the confines of our Canadian laws, ie 10rds)
Now the main counter argument has been for popping at coyotes, which I still think you should try and take any animal as quickly as possible, but my real concern here is for deer. I have seen too many lost and crippled deer over the years at the hands of the crowd who figured they had a whole stack behind the first one to care about making number one count, none of the platforms were black guns and not all were semi's, there were levers and pumps in there as well. All had the legal 5 rounds. What good could be achieved by allowing 5 additional rounds? I'm sure there are a handful of guys out there who are good at running shots, in which case the 5 is still more than enough for you, but there is a mountain of knobs who can't hit the broadside of a barn off a rest, it's these guys that need to be kept in check.
So in my case just to be clear, not against black guns, not against handguns, not a fan of magazine restrictions (when in use at a range or other sport shooting recreational scenario). Just for the purposes of hunting with a rifle, I think 5 is more than enough, just for the sake of the animal I don't want to see slowly dying in the woods with a bullet up its arse dying of sceptic shock or any other slow suffering demise.

I hunt with a 10 round mag, although every animal I have shot with the XCR with the exception of that running coyote was 1 shot. The issue comes with the responsibilities of being an ethical hunter. It's a sport which requires us to know our limitations and those of our equipment. Unfortunately trying to legislate that is not only impossible, but serves to deny freedoms to those who are ethical hunters. If we are going to point fingers, a local group fire 14 rounds in one day from lever action rifles at 3 different deer last season. They failed to recover even one. Practice and knowing your limitations are the only things that will prevent wounded animals.

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If you had shot at something running you would know that this is not true. I have seen lots of game feeling at the second or third shot, but you might find that unethical?! I don't think a 10 rounds clip is a good thing but if it's legal I don't think it matter.

It's unfortunate, but there are those out there who are chronic bad shots, and it is those, and there seems to be more than a few out there, that I would like to see restricted.
Again notice that I mentioned pumps and levers, which I also own, use and enjoy, not to mention a non restricted black gun.
Perhaps the real issue here would be better solved if they implemented a qualifying shoot portion to the Hunter Education program, I'm pretty sure there are other provinces that have this already in place. This might weed out some of the people who are stupid or unsafe in the woods. Nothing better than practical experience, which would be well served in a supervised environment.

The only issue I see there is that the safety course won't provide enough time or practice. Maybe mentoring is a better idea? The only thing that will make anyone a good shot, is lots of practice.

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Shooting prairie dogs with my AR15...
A gun is a gun.

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If only we could do that here.....

I like black guns, camo guns, wood guns, stainless, blue. Just not rusty. Denigrating anyone who hunts with a black gun is disrespectful to the firearms community as a whole. As long as the rifle is legal and the hunter is ethical, have at 'er.

"We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Very well said smallgamer.

We bought 10 SKS' last fall at our camp and the first Deer fell to one. I gather our gang will have a few afield on any given day this November.

We all hunt so as long as the tackle is legal we need to stick together, no name calling that this thread had in the beginning.

The man who hunts with a selfbow should hold the same respect among his peers as the man who hunts with a scoped bolt gun.

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We bought 10 SKS' last fall at our camp and the first Deer fell to one. I gather our gang will have a few afield on any given day this November.

We all hunt so as long as the tackle is legal we need to stick together, no name calling that this thread had in the beginning.

The man who hunts with a selfbow should hold the same respect among his peers as the man who hunts with a scoped bolt gun.

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I don't think the posts at the beginning were based so much on the gun, rather the ridiculous comments by the OP that have since been deleted, if someone wants to go out and responsibly use any legal firearm then go ahead, but if you want to go out and just blast away potentially wounding game, then I have a problem with that and so should you. If you do want to practise spray and pray, keep it on the range.

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Very well said smallgamer.

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Thank you.

There are hundreds of hunt camps out there where everyone on the line is expected to shoot at any legal deer that the hounds run through. The shooting will probably be fast and you will not have time to pick your shots. In 25 years at one of these camps I shot at three deer, killed one of them. Used levers, bolts and emptied the gun twice.
The past dozen years I have hunted alone and get my deer almost every year, with a single shot Ruger #1. If I were to return to a camp shoot where others were counting on me to kill, then I would be using some kind of repeater, either blue, black or camo!

I skipped ahead after about page 12 because I had to jump in. Awesome to see so many people that share the passion for hunting..

As my first post I might be taking a risk here.. I think a tan or camo color/pattern tavor, especially with a matching optic, could fairly easily become an accepted, non-attention-grabbing, hunting gun. Passersby would not be as startled because its appearance would be, well, camouflaged and the camo would help them believe that it is for hunting.

How the hunter handles him or herself around others while with the gun could also make or break its reception. I would avoid any of the "military, bad, tacticool" connotations and casually explaining that it's funky looks are ergonomically-based and it is known to be a very well-built, reliable and sufficiently accurate gun (quick search didn't give me any certain data, but seems it would be suitable up to at least 300 yards). They might not be totally won over, but at least they'll get the sense that maybe you aren't a whack job criminal and that the gun is indeed, only an inanimate object.

I think if anyone's going to hunt with non-resticted, but "scary" guns, they just have to be willing to acknowledge and help remove the stigma that comes with them. Really, the same could be said for hunting/shooting in general.

Holy necro-post,batman. Where did you find this relic? Welcome to the forum,BTW,I notice this is your first post.

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Holy necro-post,batman. Where did you find this relic? Welcome to the forum,BTW,I notice this is your first post.

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I was about to say the same thing....

What is it with new folks resurrecting old threads? Seems like the 2nd in a week....

Lol. Oldies but Goldies day.

Remember the saying you can't judge a book by its cover? I'd say the same applies to the type firearm one hunts with.

Hunt with what you like, what is legal and is adequate for the game.

Read the first couple of posts and jumped ahead just to chime in:

We ran into some guys hunting with Norinco M305's and and Swiss Arms (forget which model, but the .308/7.62 NATO one)

For us, they inspired a bunch of questions rather than revulsion - how is it at the range, have you ever been successful etc.

Whats the difference with a Browning BAR?

All of our firearms were based on military patterns at some time - think Lee Enfield.

If you can do it ethically within the laws, have at 'er

Ryan

AR's are great varmint rifles...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps73e82149.jpg

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That looks retarded, and IMO anyone who sees you in the field is going to think you're a goof..including those ppl that grant permission. If you really want something military looking go for a non-restricted armalite.

Matt

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Matt,
Keep in mind you too can be branded for using the word "retarded" to mean stupid or foolish.

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Matt,
Keep in mind you too can be branded for using the word "retarded" to mean stupid or foolish.

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Check the date,KC. The post was made in 2009. The poster hasn't been around since 2013,but,these old threads are fun to read.

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AR's are great varmint rifles...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps73e82149.jpg

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They look like the new Remington Mod. R 15. They're kind of growing on me.

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They look like the new Remington Mod. R 15.

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They're not.

Hunting with an AR would be fun.......but not legal in Canada. Hunting with a SKS is legal and pretty safe for the deer (probably the only PETA approved hunting gun).

You know if a guy showed up with a black gun because that was all he had and it was legal to hunt with I think most guys would cut him some slack. But showing up with a $3,500 gun when all you need is a $600 hunting gun because your a dick........that is priceless!

Just sayin