Recreational Fishing Now Free for Canadian Service Members

Great news ..Thanks Mr. John Yakabuski !!!

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[/QUOTETORONTO — Ontario's Government for the People has delivered on its promise and is giving back to those men and women who have sacrificed so much. As of January 1, 2019, all veterans and active Canadian Armed Forces members residing in Ontario can enjoy recreational fishing across the province without having to purchase a fishing licence.

"Our government is working to show appreciation for veterans and Canadian Armed Forces members, helping make it easier and more affordable to enjoy recreational fishing," said John Yakabuski, Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry.

Recreational fishing is a $2.2 billion industry in Ontario and an important tradition in the lives of many. With this regulatory change, all Canadian Armed Forces members - retired or still serving - can maximize their time on the water, and ice, by fishing all year round at no cost.

"Today, and everyday, we should salute the sacrifice and bravery of our service members who have defended and continue to defend the rights and freedoms we enjoy," said Minister Yakabuski. "By allowing veterans and active Canadian Armed Forces members to fish for free in Ontario's beautiful waters and encourage more time outdoors, we are offering a token of recognition to these heroes who deserve our respect and gratitude. Thank you for your service."

Ontario's Government for the People continues to take steps to show Ontario's appreciation for veterans, Canadian Armed Forces and their families.

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Nice, real nice for a change. If only we could do more. but it's a step in the right direction...

Good. Those people deserve some recognition.

Not quite accurate.
Not all veterans can fish free yet.
Many do not have the proper veterans ID yet, as it is just being rolled out again.
Those who released 2016 or later can apply for it now.
For those who released prior to 2016 and didn't receive the old style card (which is a majority of the veterans) can not apply for the new style card until sometime this summer. Issuing the card may take quite a while after applying depending on number of applications.

How would someone apply for the card?

I'd like to see an estimate of the hit to the SPA, and some suggestion of how this revenue will be replaced.

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Originally Posted by Marker

How would someone apply for the card?

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https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...sulpUbuZVR-LcY

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Originally Posted by welsh

I'd like to see an estimate of the hit to the SPA, and some suggestion of how this revenue will be replaced.

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With any luck, it will be replaced with money that would have gone to the liberal party if they had retained party status ? Much much better use for the money to use toward the vets and service personnel!

Not everything is about the money......

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"We enjoy the rights and freedoms we have today because of the sacrifices of those brave women and men throughout history, and those actively serving to defend our rights and freedoms," said John Yakabuski, Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry. "The people of Ontario are grateful for the service of our veterans and active Canadian Armed Forces members who have, and continue to defend our freedom and values. These heroes deserve our gratitude and respect, and this is one small way we can show that."

"Recreational fishing is an important part of the lives of many Ontarians. Whether you're a beginner or expert, fishing is an excellent way to get outdoors, relax, de-stress and get involved in your local community," said Yakabuski.

Ontario has a great diversity of freshwater fish and is recognized worldwide for its recreational fishing. By allowing veterans and active Canadian Armed Forces to fish for free, Ontario is making life a little easier for those who gave and continue to give so honourably with their service.

This is one of several steps Ontario's Government for the People is taking during Remembrance week to show Ontario's appreciation for veterans, Canadian Armed Forces and their families. The province recently announced they will ensure Royal Canadian Legion branches in the province are exempt from paying property tax.

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With any luck, it will be replaced with money that would have gone to the liberal party if they had retained party status ? Much much better use for the money to use toward the vets and service personnel!

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Still would go to the Liberals as they seem to field a lot more men into serving their country in the armed forces.I mean take a look at even the leader of the World,s most powerful military right now The Donald (skipped out of Vietnam because of a heel spur) or George Dum Bush Junior made sure he lingered around the base,volunteered for political campaigns and failed to attend drills and lost his pilot fighters license.LOL

It is about money. And what it's going to cost is a legitimate question.

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I think it's a great idea.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

the Liberals as they seem to field a lot more men into serving their country in the armed forces.

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Now I have unequivocal proof you're troll for laughingly making that comment :)

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Originally Posted by welsh

It is about money. And what it's going to cost is a legitimate question.

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I guess that since the liberals have been decimated in Ont. you've lost your insiders info line, so cant find out for yourself? As a regular peon now, why don't you write a letter to the minister and ask for yourself? I'm pretty sure your question won't get answered on this forum?

Oh FFS....

It's never a good sign when simple questions offend you.

And btw, this entitles me to fish for free. Doesn't mean I think it's a good idea.

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Still would go to the Liberals as they seem to field a lot more men into serving their country in the armed forces.I mean take a look at even the leader of the World,s most powerful military right now The Donald (skipped out of Vietnam because of a heel spur) or George Dum Bush Junior made sure he lingered around the base,volunteered for political campaigns and failed to attend drills and lost his pilot fighters license.LOL

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My bad!!!! I was not aware that Trump or Bush would even need an ONTARIO fishing licence !!!!! Geeeeez.....

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Originally Posted by welsh

Oh FFS....

It's never a good sign when simple questions offend you.

And btw, this entitles me to fish for free. Doesn't mean I think it's a good idea.

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Offended? Not in the least. I find it rather amusing. If you're truly concerned about the the financial implications, there is nothing preventing you from buying your licence and opting out of the benefit?

I can do that.

But it's up to the government to make good policy to start with.

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Its an excellent policy! The costs, in comparison to the billions that have been wasted by the previous liberal gov't would not even cause a blip on the radar, I'm sure. It's an act of goodwill. It's a small token to show appreciation for the commitment and sacrifice many have made for their country. Embrace it and move on, nothing to see here folks?

The percent of anglers 65 + is 14%. So I found that Hunting and fishing revenues for 2015 was 44 million.

'm going to pull a number out of my hat and say that 30 million is fishing.

So it will cost about 4 million +

I have no problem with that

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The percent of anglers 65 + is 14%. So I found that Hunting and fishing revenues for 2015 was 44 million.

'm going to pull a number out of my hat and say that 30 million is fishing.

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I don't think you'll find 30 million fisherman in Ont GW....:)

Considering the Ontario Government gave the Pride Toronto $300K for their parade....Free fishing for Vets isn't going to register with anyone watching the books....well maybe Welsh but then....

It has nothing to do with Pride. This is SPA money. It's a direct hit to the MNRF.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I don't think you'll find 30 million fisherman in Ont GW....:)

Considering the Ontario Government gave the Pride Toronto $300K for their parade....Free fishing for Vets isn't going to register with anyone watching the books....well maybe Welsh but then....

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Dollars not people

To look at it another way, if the Ontario government gave a %$*@ about veterans, they could fund mental health, employment, and housing services for veterans adjusting to civilian life, especially Afghanistan veterans at risk.

This is entirely within provincial powers and is sorely needed.

Instead, they have extended a symbolic benefit of negligible individual value to a large number of people, including those who are only veterans of the QM stores of reserve force Service Battalions. And the collective impact of that benefit on the SPA is important.

Tell me again how this is good policy. I need a laugh.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but that is truudea responsibility and he has insulated he could care less.

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Originally Posted by welsh

To look at it another way, if the Ontario government gave a %$*@ about veterans, they could fund mental health, employment, and housing services for veterans adjusting to civilian life, especially Afghanistan veterans at risk.

This is entirely within provincial powers and is sorely needed.

Instead, they have extended a symbolic benefit of negligible individual value to a large number of people, including those who are only veterans of the QM stores of reserve force Service Battalions. And the collective impact of that benefit on the SPA is important.

Tell me again how this is good policy. I need a laugh.

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Originally Posted by welsh

To look at it another way, if the Ontario government gave a %$*@ about veterans, they could fund mental health, employment, and housing services for veterans adjusting to civilian life, especially Afghanistan veterans at risk.

This is entirely within provincial powers and is sorely needed.

Instead, they have extended a symbolic benefit of negligible individual value to a large number of people, including those who are only veterans of the QM stores of reserve force Service Battalions. And the collective impact of that benefit on the SPA is important.

Tell me again how this is good policy. I need a laugh.

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Good point !!

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is truudea responsibility and he has insulated he could care less.

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You're wrong.

While veterans' affairs is a federal mandate, health care delivery and housing are fully in the provincial wheelhouse. The province can fund mental health services and affordable housing for veterans.

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I went to log on to apply for the card, this would require explanation:

"Please note that only applications from veterans released between February 2016 and September 2018 will be accepted for processing at this time."

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I went to log on to apply for the card, this would require explanation:

"Please note that only applications from veterans released between February 2016 and September 2018 will be accepted for processing at this time."

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Vets before 2016 will be able to apply for their card later this year.

Veteran affairs estimate there are about 240,000 Veterans living in Ont…so if 50% of them took advantage of this program then the MNRF would be forfeiting a potential of about $360K to the SPA…. peanuts in the grander scheme of things, especially considering the significance of the gesture.

I find it’s a neat coincidence that’s about the same amount of Ontario taxpayer money the Ontario Government gives to the Pride Parade in Toronto…another community that the government supports, I guess some people might take offense to that too.

There are many others …. think of the potential income that is lost giving seniors a discount to take public transport.....

Why say one is wasted money over another ?

50% of 240,000 would be 120,000.

A one-year conservation licence is $36.08. Multiply that by 120,000 and you have $4.3 million.

Now, I doubt the hit is that big. The number you're looking for is how many veterans *currently* hold fishing licences, since opportunity costs are not really lost revenue. But that's beside the point, which is that you need to check your math.

As for senior's discounts, the premise here is that seniors are no longer employed and are on a fixed income. Not the same thing as extending a lifetime waiver of user fees to a guy who spent a year in a militia regiment.

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Now I have unequivocal proof you're troll for laughingly making that comment :)

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Yet you will not comment on conservative elites who manage to avoid service but have no problem sending sons and daughters off to war.I mean I gave two good examples of the leaders of the free world.Maybe you like to believe in your mind that only Conservatives are our warriors,past or present?

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Originally Posted by welsh

50% of 240,000 would be 120,000.

A one-year conservation licence is $36.08. Multiply that by 120,000 and you have $4.3 million.

Now, I doubt the hit is that big. The number you're looking for is how many veterans *currently* hold fishing licences, since opportunity costs are not really lost revenue. But that's beside the point, which is that you need to check your math.

As for senior's discounts, the premise here is that seniors are no longer employed and are on a fixed income. Not the same thing as extending a lifetime waiver of user fees to a guy who spent a year in a militia regiment.

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Your math is off as its only 30 bucks for a 1 year sports, conservation is 17. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dc9b522269.jpg

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My bad. I grabbed the number off a page for non-residents.

Using the correct fee still comes out to $2 million, not 360k.

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My bad. I grabbed the number off a page for non-residents.

Using the correct fee still comes out to $2 million, not 360k.

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You need to suck it up butter cup. This bone is owed to our men and woman who have stepped up to the plate and volunteered to serve their country, whatever political party was in power at the time they served. The members who have served this country since the Korean war have been treated like dirt and it is mainly people like you who have done that.

It makes me proud that all members of the CF are being honored for their dedication and have earned this respect, and this privileged.

The only reason you can sit in a computer chair and spout off is because of the sacrifice of thousands of Canadians who have served and continue to serve our country in whatever their capacity in the CAF. Very often they have no choice whether they work in Quartermasters or are deployed overseas and that role can change quickly with no regard to their personal lives.

If you are that jealous of the veterans, why dont you get out of your computer chair and go sign up. You may have to put your personal and family life on hold, but you will make a meager salary, get a uniform and possibly travel the world. If you get hurt don't worry they will take care of you. Then you can go fishing for free in Ontario on your leisure time. You will see real fast it is more than just joining something, you are committing your life to a cause.

This revenue loss was owed to these men and women. Instead of focusing on this, think of all the money our Prime Minister has cried and donated to every cause that makes him feel and look good politically. He doesn't seem to worry much about the veterans, if I recall he thinks they ask too much......................?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz7C7CRVwr4

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Originally Posted by Muskyhunter

If you are that jealous of the veterans, why dont you get out of your computer chair and go sign up.

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I already did, skippy.

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I already did, skippy.

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Good for you Skippy - then be a good veteran and go buy your fishing license. That will show us you are truly man of conviction and not someone who just likes to chirp.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

With any luck, it will be replaced with money that would have gone to the liberal party if they had retained party status ? Much much better use for the money to use toward the vets and service personnel!

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Liberal Terry Sheehan 19,582 44.75 +25.02 $59,074.57

Conservative Bryan Hayes 13,615 31.12 –9.28 $114,243.06

Amazing even in YOUR HOME RIDING the Conservatives manage to spend more money getting themselves defeated.LOL, LOL.

P.S Bush when you troll your political garbage as you seem to always and take threads off topic,keep expecting these rebuttals.

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My bad!!!! I was not aware that Trump or Bush would even need an ONTARIO fishing licence !!!!! Geeeeez.....

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Oh course they need an Ontario fishing license if they are fishing here.Geeeeze

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Oh course they need an Ontario fishing license if they are fishing here.Geeeeze

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I’m well aware of that.....my remark was as a result you posting about Bush and Trump, in a conversation about fishing licences for Canadian vets.....what those two have to do with Canadian vets, is beyond me...but then, I just consider the source!!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

I’m well aware of that.....my remark was as a result you posting about Bush and Trump, in a conversation about fishing licences for Canadian vets.....what those two have to do with Canadian vets, is beyond me...but then, I just consider the source!!

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I was simply pointing out to Bushmoose that Liberals fought and died for Canada and the Conservative (Republican,s Presidents) decided deferment was a better course of action for them,as they sent off other,s son,s and daughters to die.Not the best analogy but one I think is pretty simple to follow even for you.Geeze

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I was simply pointing out to Bushmoose that Liberals fought and died for Canada and the Conservative (Republican,s Presidents) decided deferment was a better course of action for them,as they sent off other,s son,s and daughters to die.Not the best analogy but one I think is pretty simple to follow even for you.Geeze

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Not really, but you might as well follow your Lieberal talking points and inject Harris and Harper into the conversation....

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Liberal Terry Sheehan 19,582 44.75 +25.02 $59,074.57

Conservative Bryan Hayes 13,615 31.12 –9.28 $114,243.06

Amazing even in YOUR HOME RIDING the Conservatives manage to spend more money getting themselves defeated.LOL, LOL.

P.S Bush when you troll your political garbage as you seem to always and take threads off topic,keep expecting these rebuttals.

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Rebuttal to what? Gilly, you're grasping at straws my friend.

Queen’s Park likely wastes more money throwing out spoiled food in it’s cafeterias every year. I’m good with showing some respect for our vets.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

Rebuttal to what? Gilly, you're grasping at straws my friend.

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I feel sorry for you Bushmoose up there in the Soo and surrounded by a sea of Liberal supporters,come down here to Mississauga for a beer and you can be surrounded by more Liberal supporters.LOL

I bet by now your second guessing your decision to inject politics into your #8 post.

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Not really, but you might as well follow your Lieberal talking points and inject Harris and Harper into the conversation....

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Lets not depress the readers talking about these guys.

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To look at it another way, if the Ontario government gave a %$*@ about veterans, they could fund mental health, employment, and housing services for veterans adjusting to civilian life, especially Afghanistan veterans at risk.

This is entirely within provincial powers and is sorely needed.

Instead, they have extended a symbolic benefit of negligible individual value to a large number of people, including those who are only veterans of the QM stores of reserve force Service Battalions. And the collective impact of that benefit on the SPA is important.

Tell me again how this is good policy. I need a laugh.

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This is an excellent point Welsh, our veterans deserve nothing but the finest in the areas of both physical and mental healthcare. I’m not worried about the money lost from fishing licence sales to these people, be it $360k or $5M.... these people have sacrificed much and deserve our gratitude as Musky has elaborated.

Let’s give them all they need by cutting funding to our bloated public service, fat teachers unions, welfare to those who are able to work, and all the rest of the deadbeats who have dragged the rest of us down and contributed to Ontario becoming a have not province.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the Federal Government's responsibility AKA Trudeau, the guy who gave a a Terrorist 10 million? If Ontario funded it than it would be expected that they fund everyone.

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This is an excellent point Welsh, our veterans deserve nothing but the finest in the areas of both physical and mental healthcare. I’m not worried about the money lost from fishing licence sales to these people, be it $360k or $5M.... these people have sacrificed much and deserve our gratitude as Musky has elaborated.

Let’s give them all they need by cutting funding to our bloated public service, fat teachers unions, welfare to those who are able to work, and all the rest of the deadbeats who have dragged the rest of us down and contributed to Ontario becoming a have not province.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the Federal Government's responsibility AKA Trudeau, the guy who gave a a Terrorist 10 million? If Ontario funded it than it would be expected that they fund everyone.

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See post 27.

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Seen it yes.

But if our provinces funds it, the same will be expected everyplace. It is still the Federal Government to fund. Technically a province can fund what ever it wants. At that point the federal can just sit back and save it's money.

So again whats your point. The Federal Government is suppose to fund it.

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See post 27.

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Veterans affairs is Federal jurisdiction. Never heard of Provincial military anything.

Geezus. No wonder no one comes here any more. Post a simple article about helping us vets and it turns into a political debate.

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Originally Posted by rfb

Geezus. No wonder no one comes here any more. Post a simple article about helping us vets and it turns into a political debate.

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That was Bushmoose that did that post #8.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the Federal Government's responsibility AKA Trudeau, the guy who gave a a Terrorist 10 million? If Ontario funded it than it would be expected that they fund everyone.

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Prime Minister Trudeau had to pay that money our because we were going to loose even more at a trial.Could have been twice that.

Now this mess was created by Mr Harper and cleaned up by the Liberals.

There has been no Minister worse or more offensive towards veterans in Canada,s recent history then Julian Fantino.You can probably thank him for the Conservatives resounding defeat in the last federal election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pjpdfCkuD0

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

That was Bushmoose that did that post #8.

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Careful there oldtimer, that halo of yours has long since faded away?

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

Careful there oldtimer, that halo of yours has long since faded away?

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What do I need to be careful about, you did start your political crap on post #8. As far as being an old timer I,am younger than you and probably better looking.LOL Next.

I do know that at the DND Site I am currently working at there is not a single person who thinks much of Trudeau but they did like Harper. After they spent a lunch hour going on about Trudeau someone asked if I was a Liberal or an NDP I said No. I was told I would fit in quite well. Most of these men and women are actually Libertarians, but vote Conservative since not a chance in Heck the Libertarian party would get elected.. Even the civilians at DND all seem to be Conservatives.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Prime Minister Trudeau had to pay that money our because we were going to loose even more at a trial.Could have been twice that.

Now this mess was created by Mr Harper and cleaned up by the Liberals.

There has been no Minister worse or more offensive towards veterans in Canada,s recent history then Julian Fantino.You can probably thank him for the Conservatives resounding defeat in the last federal election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pjpdfCkuD0

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I do know that at the DND Site I am currently working at there is not a single person who thinks much of Trudeau but they did like Harper. After they spent a lunch hour going on about Trudeau someone asked if I was a Liberal or an NDP I said No. I was told I would fit in quite well. Most of these men and women are actually Libertarians, but vote Conservative since not a chance in Heck the Libertarian party would get elected.. Even the civilians at DND all seem to be Conservatives.

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LOL Say what you want,believe what you want,the fact is we have a majority Liberal Government so somebody voted for them.I believe the vet,s are Conservative,but they were so put out by the likes of Fantino and his disrespect for them that they voted in Justin.

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Geezus. No wonder no one comes here any more. Post a simple article about helping us vets and it turns into a political debate.

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I fully agree.

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I fully agree.

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It’s Harper’s fault !!

Just shaking my head?

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

It’s Harper’s fault !!

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I agree.But instead of shaking our heads we need to figure out why some people come onto this forum almost on a daily basis and interject tribal politics into each and every post which then prompts a reply from the opposite side.

It is always the same group of 3-4 people. I have the feeling that they judge a persons worth and character , based on what party they vote for, and where they live.

Wow, is all I can say to this thread. I don't get my back up often but this one did it for some reason. Injecting politics into this is ridiculous and trying to quantify someone's service by Reg or Res Force is even more ridiculous. At some point or another they walked into an armouries or a recruiting centre and volunteered, you can now fish for free. I'll say thanks and carry on, because I for one haven't seen to many places giving veterans of any stature a lot of breaks. With all the silly things governments do with our money, you would think everyone of any political stripe would be on board with this one.

^^^.... x2 ...Well said !!

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LOL Say what you want,believe what you want,the fact is we have a majority Liberal Government so somebody voted for them.I believe the vet,s are Conservative,but they were so put out by the likes of Fantino and his disrespect for them that they voted in Justin.

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I agree.But instead of shaking our heads we need to figure out why some people come onto this forum almost on a daily basis and interject tribal politics into each and every post which then prompts a reply from the opposite side.

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It is always the same group of 3-4 people. I have the feeling that they judge a persons worth and character , based on what party they vote for, and where they live.

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You two remind me of an old drooling hound dog waiting for a ham bone? The thread is dead, finito, kaput, go play bridge or something?

Post Number 10 is where Politics first came in. Wasn't the 3 or 4 people you were referencing.

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It is always the same group of 3-4 people. I have the feeling that they judge a persons worth and character , based on what party they vote for, and where they live.

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GW , I was talking about generally not just this particular thread. You should know , because you are one of the 3 or 4, that I referenced. You find a way to take a jab at the libs every chance you get, even when it is a non-political thread.

Actually I find it is usually you and a few others. As I indicated about post 10.

I also notice most of your posts are to bash.

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by welsh

Not the same thing as extending a lifetime waiver of user fees to a guy who spent a year in a militia regiment.

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Ok Welsh, as both of us are former CF, let me take slight issue with that statement.

The definition of "Veteran" has been somewhat diminished over the years, insofar as, if you have completed your BMQ, you are qualified to be referred to under the system.

Unless I'm mistaken, this was due to the inability for candidates on course being able to claim benefits if injured while on said course, or some such matter.

The fact remains, is that every member, sworn and served, has written a blank cheque to the people of Canada, up to and including their life ( you've had this speech...I know).

Now whether it was a bin-rat in Borden for the bulk of the cold war, a toon at an armoury in Medecine Hat, or someone with 2 tours to the sandbox.....they all did their part, and answered the call.

Your post vis-a-vis the province having purview over housing and mental health services is an interesting one. However, the province hasn't sacrificed anything in those programs per-se, to provide this "gesture".

The province could in fact do something about housing. Of course, since the download in 2001 to municipalities, there remains a shortage of subsidized, and funded housing programs.

The province also could provide veterans with additional mental health support. However, if a vet is requiring support based on a service injury, then they are swiftly handed off to VAC, as the process can become an administrative burden to both services.

Again, providing a "gesture" as a way of thanks to members is a small bit of goodwill, and in the grand scheme of things why wouldn't it be regarded as just that?

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Post Number 10 is where Politics first came in. Wasn't the 3 or 4 people you were referencing.

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Try reading post #8 and be re assured when Bushmoose hijacks threads like this he will get the replies,if he had any common sense he would delete the post but as his intent was to cause s--- he is quite happy.

GW, my comments are usually rebuttals, to comments that I feel are untrue, and in good conscience I could not let pass uncontested. Almost all of my political points, are made in the political section , as they should be, where they can be viewed by those who wish to delve into the political spectrum.

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Your post vis-a-vis the province having purview over housing and mental health services is an interesting one. However, the province hasn't sacrificed anything in those programs per-se, to provide this "gesture".

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True, but I'm not suggesting they have.

I'm suggesting that the govt is making a meaningless gesture in place of taking needed action.

They are essentially giving away something they perceive to be of low value: fishing licences. (Note: no free driver's licences or licence plate tags....) And there is a cost to a cash-strapped ministry; this seems not to be a priority.

The gesture is symbolic and is intended to appeal to core supporters by appeal to small-c conservative values.

And for those who think I'm purely partisan on this stuff, check back. I also criticized the previous government's decision to change the name of the MNR to MNRF, although its mandate was unchanged, at substantial cost. But no one got upset at me for that.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

GW, my comments are usually rebuttals, to comments that I feel are untrue, and in good conscience I could not let pass uncontested. Almost all of my political points, are made in the political section , as they should be, where they can be viewed by those who wish to delve into the political spectrum.

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Which makes one wonder why some come onto these threads and stir the political pot when they can do it in the proper place.

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Originally Posted by welsh

True, but I'm not suggesting they have.

I'm suggesting that the govt is making a meaningless gesture in place of taking needed action.

They are essentially giving away something they perceive to be of low value: fishing licences. (Note: no free driver's licences or licence plate tags....) And there is a cost to a cash-strapped ministry; this seems not to be a priority.

The gesture is symbolic and is intended to appeal to core supporters by appeal to small-c conservative values.

And for those who think I'm purely partisan on this stuff, check back. I also criticized the previous government's decision to change the name of the MNR to MNRF, although its mandate was unchanged, at substantial cost. But no one got upset at me for that.

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I'm not sure about the "meaningless gesture" part. Anything we can do for our military people to show gratitude and support is OK in my book. Free fishing licenses is the least we can do.